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Wish you'd come back

Ibrahim, I understand why you left but your input is important on the Muhammad article. I realize you have a family and that other needs are probably taking you away from Misplaced Pages besides this ongoing dispute but if ever you have the time it would be good to see you return and calmly participate. Maybe after a break you'll feel more centered and ready to come back. I hope so. See you. (→Netscott) 16:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I also hope to see you return. _InBC 16:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Likewise. MARussellPESE 20:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

And I would like to see you views on Quran and Speed of Light. -- RHaworth 16:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia needs you--hnnvansier 02:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yup. - Merzbow 02:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I am back and will concentrate on Muhammad picture again. In-sha-Allah --- ALM 19:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I am glad you are coming back. Though the Muhammad picture debate has been settled for some time now. _InBC 19:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It was sattled for one year before that. I might not reply you any more. I wish to concentrate on work instead of talking with people (Espacially to you). --- ALM 19:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Peace. _InBC 19:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Good to have you back. MARussellPESE 20:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Images

I wonder what'd happen about the images on the Muhammad topic?

AfD

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Salma_Arastu. Arrow740 16:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. --- ALM 10:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

you may be interested in this, including the mentions in the Times of India and the Philadelphia Inquirer among others. ITAQALLAH 12:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. --- ALM 12:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Salam

How are you? I'm happy to meet you again.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Me too. :) --- ALM 07:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back ALM. We missed you. --Aminz 07:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Aminz. -:) -- ALM 07:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Your quest for adminship

You don't tell lies? Then how do you square the fact that one of your usernames says, "This user is not an administrator and does not wish to be one," while another says, "This user is not a Misplaced Pages administrator but would like to be one someday?" I suppose you might have just changed your mind...but you've never had "hate and stalkers." That account was created to run for adminship, as a trawl through contributions makes crystal clear. Randomly supporting requests for adminships in the hopes the candidates will support yours is dishonest, and disruptive.
Is there another username we should know about?Proabivouac 10:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes that is my account. I indeed do not wish to be admin with any account but wish to give a different personality to avoid haters tracking me. I will now create a new account today. --- ALM 10:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

"...but wish to give a different personality to avoid haters tracking me."

So of all the ways you could have thrown these "haters" off the track, you didn't think to avoid active disussions in which you'd been involved (including the Salma Arastu image!), you didn't think to stop uploading diagrams which showed your area of professional interests/expertise...no, it was the clever ruse of seeking adminship that distinguished you from ALM.

See User:Essjay.Proabivouac 11:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I tried very hard to avoid going near Islamic article but I think I failed. I will try better next time on a new account. I can contribute on many things like sports, science etc. I really wish to contribute but waste lots of time with haters. Misplaced Pages should not be a battle ground but it has become one. I do not wish to battle around with people hence I need a new acount for non-islamic things. --- ALM 11:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

ALM, your statements on your userpage that you have certain good qualities (whether or not you actually do) because of Islam amount to campaigning for Islam. Please remove them. Arrow740 18:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Arrow yaar aap kyon meray say hostile hain. Serouff Issleye key main Muslim hoo? Please be friend and nice to each other. otherwise leave me alone please. --- ALM 19:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Salma Arastu

ALM,

My appologies for the assumption of bad faith on this entry. It was also not my intention in the least to make anyone think that even if your motivations were political that there is any merit in the "delete" votes either. I hope I have clarified that. My intention was to point out that the creation of and AfDing of this entry seems entirely like a political tug of war and as such it is ridiculous. If this artist is notable we need to judge her notability fairly and then decide how to proceed. All I see are a bunch of knee jerk reactions to an entry about a Muslim convert, who apparently painted a disputed image. My own vote is for the AfD to get discredited itself because it is a sham. Cheers.PelleSmith 11:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem :). The real reason that leads to creating of this page is following. I asked for a painting from her and told her that I wish to use it in wikipedia. When she heard about wikipedia then she herself asked me at that time that can I create article on her. My obvious inclination was to say No. It is because I thought she will be not notable. However, then I looked at her resume (http://www.salmaarastu.com/resume.htm) and find out that she is really notable. Hence I created the article. Its creating fulfilled all the standards of wikipedia then why I should not create it? It is simply disgusting that wikipedia has become so ugly. --- ALM 12:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Alternate account

I also have an alternate account I use when I want to avoid preconceptions. Per WP:SOCK this is fine as long as I never use the account in such as way as to avoid scrutiny, or get past the idea of "one person, one vote", or bypassing 3RR or any of the other things mentioned in WP:SOCK#Forbidden_uses_of_sock_puppets. I hope it helps you be judged by the merits of your arguments instead of preconceived notions. _InBC 15:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I always follow law/rules. Having said that, although your above message might be good one but I feel pain after seeing your signatures. It makes me remember about Muhammad pictures. It hurts really bad. Hence I have taken your talk page out from my watch and wish to avoid you (or any place where I can see your signatures). I am sorry and I hope that I will be normal as the time pass. I hope that my feeling will not be considered as personal attack. --- ALM 16:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Geez, perhaps I should create an alternate account just so I can talk to you without you bringing up old bones. _InBC 12:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Assalamu aleikum

JazakAllahair for the warm welcome. Insha'Allah, please join the presently ongoing deletion discussion at the article on Waleed Shaalan Mosura 16:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear sister/brother, I will say 60-40% in the favor of deletion. I am sorry but I think all those article should be either merge in one article named Victims of the Virginia Tech Massacre or should be deleted. I am not voting there at the moment but if I have to vote then I will vote for delete. Wassalam. --- ALM 16:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Malise Ruthven as a source

Christadelphianeditor (talk · contribs) is objecting to the removal of links to http://www.aletheiacollege.net/dbb/4-2-4gematria_and_quran.htm from Islam, including this edit. Can you join the discussion in Talk:Islam? / edgarde 16:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Islam

I read your comment on Merzbow talk page. Please do not stay out and edit. We need more people working in Islam related article. :) --- ALM 19:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your words of encouragement. / edgarde 19:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Standardising Qur'an citations

Hi, as someone who edits Islam related articles, I was wondering if you could comment on my proposal for standardising the citation of the Qur'an using a single template. Thanks. → Aktar — 21:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thank you, ALM scientist, for your constructive comments in my recent RFA, which passed with 86 support, 8 oppose, and 5 neutral !votes. I will keep in mind all your suggestions and/or concerns, and will try to live up to your standards. Please, if you have any comments or complaints about my actions as an administrator, leave a note on my talk page, and I will respond as soon as I possibly can, without frying my brain, of course. Thank you once more, · AndonicO

No worries. I would probably have opposed myself for my bad mediating skills. :) · AndonicO 16:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Images

Aslamoalaikum.These images are not of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). Albertbrown80 12:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

They will be gone because they even violate wikipedia own rules. Many of them. Give me a week and help me. Talk with me next Monday. Wassalam --- ALM 12:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Muslim beliefs

salam. Saw your comment on the removal of the tag from Islam. Regarding the Muslim beliefs article, is there anything there that isn't already covered in the various Islam related articles. Is it a candidate for prod? → Aktar — 15:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I have not seen that article in detail and I will read it later. Hence I cannot answer to your question without reading. :) I do not have time to read it right now. --- A. L. M. 15:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

No problems. → Aktar — 16:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Black Stone

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Black stone. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. --Elonka 17:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way ALM, please check if having that page you created on anti-Islam is allowed or not. I will nominate it for deletion if it is not. --Matt57 20:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the page is probably okay, as long as it's clearly labeled as an essay, and not as a guideline or policy. I found it interesting, and the links at the end were particularly useful. --Elonka 21:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks, got it. --Matt57 21:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Essay on anti-Islam

Thanks, ALM. I will try to help when I have time to look through the essay properly. I can always help with the spelling and English grammar, but I also have a comment on first reading, which is that the essay might be trying to do too many things at the same time and I was not quite sure what the main purpose was. That's just for you to consider. Best wishes. Itsmejudith 13:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

replied on Itsmejudith page. --- A. L. M. 13:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me it could be very useful to have an article on how to avoid offending Muslims. Most non-Muslim editors are nice people and they do not want to offend people of any religion, but they may not know much about Islam and so they express a viewpoint that may be offensive. I have had a little bit of involvement recently in Misplaced Pages talk:Responding to suicidal individuals, an essay that is actually very controversial. Of course talking to someone who is suicidal is a very different case from talking to someone who just has a different religion. But there is something in common, because they are both about how the encyclopedia editors and readers can all get on well together. It could also be useful to have an essay on how to avoid offending Jewish people, because Christians, Muslims and others might not necessarily know how strong a prohibition some Jews have on saying the name of God (they would write G-d). There may be other examples relating to different religions. Itsmejudith 14:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

replied on your page. --- A. L. M. 14:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I know what you're saying and sorry you have had bad experience but there are thousands of non-Muslim editors and hardly any of them have said anything at all about Islam either for or against. Anyway, I'm ready to help with your essay in whatever way you like. Itsmejudith 14:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:OWN

Please read WP:OWN, you don't own your essay, and I am allowed to seek consensus for change in it. Please do not edit or remove my comments on talk pages again. _InBC 15:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You just removed my comments again. Your edit summary was "revert: I am preparing it for arbitration case in my user space. You are not welcome to prepare in your user space. I cannot discuss things you are failed to understand again with you."

Well, it looks a lot like an essay to me. Even if that were the case that does not justify removing my comments on the talk page, please do not continue removing my comments, it is out of line. _InBC 15:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are one revert away from a 3RR violation for removing my comments from a talk page, please stop. _InBC 15:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Listen, I am not trying to be a dick. But you are using Misplaced Pages to present a page full of information, it is not unreasonable that I expect that page to be neutral. Linking to previous discussion on the matter can only help people understand the situation better. If you have truly been the victim of an injustice, then that alleged injustice is held within those links. Why would you not want them included? Why the filter? _InBC 15:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

1) I lost my trust on you and even goes to RFA talk asking people way to denominate you (and others like you) from adminship. When you blocked funnypop while you yourself were part of dispute. You warn one side of people and do not warn other side of people. 2) It does not has to be neutral and you will have chance to give you side of views when/if I will file arbitration case. 3) It is neutral but you cannot understand it. It is really difficult to talk with people for them no reasoning is useful. I have talked with you most of them. I think more talking will be waste of my time and I wish to concentrate on work instead of talking. Is that big thing to ask for? --- A. L. M. 15:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

If you think I have acted badly, there is WP:RFC. I personally am looking forward to the arbcom case, as one can generally present evidence there without accusations of bad faith. We used to get along, and I miss that. I have really not changed my position on this issue since we have gotten along.

There is no User:funnypop(I assume it is spelled slightly different), can you please link me to the userpage and I will review my block in hindsight. _InBC 15:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Find him and many victims of you from the page (whose talk page your are writing). They are listed there. --- A. L. M. 15:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not going to dig around archives from months ago, if you cannot be bothered to give me a link to the proper username then I cannot review the block. On an unrelated note, Edit this is a site that gives out free wikis, you can build pages there using the same interface as Misplaced Pages. The main difference is you are automatically an admin on your wiki and can protect pages. Unlike Misplaced Pages when you click Edit it does not say If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. at the bottom of the window. _InBC 15:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

They are listed User:ALM scientist/Including Muhammad Pictures Against wiki-policies why to dig? Rest of your message is ignored. I will work here. --- A. L. M. 15:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Fine work here, I welcome you, but don't act like you own anything you put here. _InBC 15:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I never blocked User:Funnypop12. _InBC 15:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I do not need your permission to work here. I will remove your comment as soon as I get some reply from Wikipedia_talk:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#My_User_space_talk_page. --- A. L. M. 16:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

For reference, the reply was here. In a nutshell: No, you generally can't be blocked for 3RR on pages in your own userspace. Also, could I please ask everyone to take a deep breath here? I actually think ALM scientist is doing a remarkable job. He's here on a wiki, participating in his non-native language, trying to argue a case where the vast majority of editors seem to be against his point of view. I can't say that I agree with his argument, but I've been impressed that he's been able to stay as cool as he has, and that he's making a genuine good faith effort to present his case in an articulate and referenced way. I know that if I were trying to argue a complex point in another language wiki, I would probably find it stressful enough just to participate, let alone in a complicated debate. So I'm willing to give him points for (mostly) keeping his cool. Regardless of whether or not we agree with him, I think that those of us who are native English speakers should do our best to at least help him present his case in a coherent fashion. --Elonka 17:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

3RR says "Normally, reverting by a user within their own user space" is exempt. This is not the case all the time. I don't think it is appropriate to use Misplaced Pages to host your opinions, then not allow someone to even talk about it on the talk page. WP:USER says that content in userspace is there at the consent of the community, so surely the community should be allowed to discuss it on the talk page of the content without the moderation of the userspace owner.

I agree that ALM is doing a fine job expressing himself, but that does not mean it is appropriate to not allow other opinions or even discussion of other opinions on the matter. _InBC 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, my English is not that bad. It becomes bad when I write carelessly. I guess my coauthors have made it bad becasue they keep correcting my mistakes (in wikipedia and also in real world papers). HighInBC understands me okay. Thanks anyway.

I know majority do not support my opinion, however there is no consensus. If you would start a discussion voting on the talk page then they will vote against me. But it does not means that we ignore all Muslim wikipedia. Today Islam is GA article with the efforts of 4-5 editors (most of them Muslims). Soon those pictures will be added in Islam too by editors who never had Muslim friend in real life (like yourself) or read a book about Islam. Please do not reply me. I edit wikipedia during study and it is easier to contribute with very less talk. --- A. L. M. 17:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't insult me and then ask me not to respond. I will have you know that I do have Muslim friends in real life. We get along fine, they don't expect me or Misplaced Pages to follow their rules. This is not about my feelings towards your religion, frankly that is not the issue. If you are preparing for arbitration then you are going to have to realize that you cannot just dismiss other peoples opinions. That is all I have to say on the matter for today. _InBC 17:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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From Talk:Muhammad/images

Do you know any Muslim in real life? --- ALM 19:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

My personal involvement has nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. I will answer your question though, no, the only experience I have had with Muslim's has been this whole debate. That is not relevant though, my affiliations outside of Misplaced Pages should not effect the way I act on Misplaced Pages. I also choose not to let my experience on Misplaced Pages effect my impression of Muslims. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 20:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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Things change, please don't call me a liar. _InBC 18:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry had no intention to call you a liar. Good to know you have new friends during last few months. --- A. L. M. 18:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

ALM, though I agree that you are not violating 3RR by reverting HighInBC within your own userspace, I do think that deleting someone's comments can be seen as a violation of WP:CIVIL. As long as someone is posting in good faith and in a constructive and civil manner, I really don't see any need to delete their posts. Indeed, when you delete good faith comments, it can make other editors (including myself) less sympathetic to your cause. --Elonka 19:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I was not like that always toward HighInBC. I discussed everything with him many times and always supported him before that. Now I have lost my trust towards him. I wish to trust him back but I need some time to feel that. He is pushing hard even with his admin power his point of view. It is possible that he still do not know facts and I am wrong (time will tell). You know I never got any warning or got banned before this picture dispute. But he had given me warnings for editing 3 times when people on his side had violated 3RR and he even has not notice them. Once again may be that feeling changed with time (only time will tell). ---- A. L. M. 19:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

In the spirit of cooperation, would both of you perhaps be willing to start over with a fresh slate? --Elonka 19:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)