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Evidence presented by Poeticbent

Rename this case to Eastern European disputes

Out of respect for ArbCom invaluable time, I support my assertion only by edits and diffs provided already by the involved parties in their initial statements even though the stream of supporting evidence is growing. Most recently, the majority of them (Piotrus, M.K, Irpen, Dr. Dan, Lysy, Halibutt) engaged in a highly politicized dispute over the content of WWII Operation Wilno. However, their edit summaries remained cordial throughout in spite of numerous edit wars. User:M.K made his first Main Space edit by flagging the article with disputed {{NPOV-title}} tag only after the article was already 6,244 characters long, 3 months after it appeared on the front page of Misplaced Pages in section "Did You Know?", and after a long period of thoughtful and prudent editing by Piotrus who created the article. Corresponding remarks made by User:M.K on Talk page were casual at best. Both users provided reference for their conflicting points of view. There was no bad faith on either side, only bouts of frustration resulting from two different perspectives on one historical event.

The example proves that the request for arbitration against Piotrus was little more than an attempt at scaring off or tiring out an editor who's used to defending his sources. However, the issues are broader than that and should be addressed by arbitrators as such. The stream of requests for arbitration will continue until ArbCom finds a way of easing the situation before a new generation of editors arises. Please rename this case and use it for future reference to our joint benefit. --Poeticbent  talk  03:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by user:M.K

First of all, I want to thank ArbCom members who accepted and willing to solve this case regarding contributor Piotrus behavior. I will present expanded evidence regarding this contributor’s behavior.

Removal or referenced information

These misconducts are one of the main characteristics of user:Piotrus, who engage removal or referenced information, which is not suits his POV: small example of this behavior pattern.

Fueling revert wars

Such tendentious and one sided edits, usually accompanied with WP:OR and strong POV, fueling revert wars (present an history sections):

Accompanied with such edit summaries as “you are joking? please stop restoring Soviet propaganda” , “preposterous claim” and by making his famous NPOV after which referenced text usually disappear As I noted in the main ArbCom case he was blocked for WP:3RR , instead of acknowledging his mistakes he tried blame bad faith contributor, and if contributor who reported him, indeed had bad faith and the block was unjustified there had to be issued an technical block to denounce previous one at least. There is no such, so we can see that he breached the WP:3RR rule, which is installed to prevent revert wars.

I also initiated another case regarding his reverts and as I understand the case did not resulted any actions due to demonstrated self revert. But that is troubling to me is that in his comment he tried to show that he was conducted some sort of established contributor's “vandalism” removal , and on reviewing 3RR board admin talk page he quite unethical accused involved contributors of “Holocaust revisionism” . I hope that ArbCom members will familiarized themselves with these claims and my filled 3RR case.

Violating WP:LIVING

In the initial case I posted some evidence regarding this problem and now I elaborate on this issue, as it is very important not only to particular involved parties but and Misplaced Pages general, as such violations leaves Misplaced Pages vulnerable. Violation of this policy directly involves Habilitated Doctor of Humanities Kazimieras Garšva, one of his investigation fields is crimes carried out by Polish insurgents, so you may understand that Polish public do not like him much (say at least).

Violations started then Piotrus started to placing doubtful and badly attributed sources , WP:LIVING clearly states “Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Misplaced Pages articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.” Inserting some none English information from tourism portal, badly labeling it as Lithuanian embassy site hardly can be called “high quality references”. But the problems did not end, soon after another related article was created with quite clear WP:POINT intentions (observe edit summary) problems with references there exported and with particular living person and others directly connected article, but now problems became even more evident, presented “sources” not only did no direct concur statements in article but also there were contradicting, seeing such misuse of sources and “referenced” quotations I took necessary steps authorized by WP:LIVING policy, which states “Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion” as problems continued I asked for more contributors to check usage of citations and references as the major claims of this article there pointing to Polish sources. But in vain all my work there reverted citation request as well by Piotrus. Who even tried to argue that WP:Living policy is not applied in other articles which deals with living persons life facts, while policy suggest contrary – “This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons in other articles.” Even more policy allows to removed false claims from talk pages (!). Such basic information should now all admins. And more Piotrus argued that everything is verified After some time he personally found flaws in his attribution of claims with references . Misuse of sources and quotations are present after some time as well, of course if proper cite and reference check was completed such problems would be solved. Even now, both creator of this article and admin Piotrus, starting to invent new things how references should labeled and used, instead finding high quality and neutral ones . This is one side of problem, another one that he started to mock from the living person Mr. Garšva even more labeling various tags to contributors who challenges his claims (“It saddens me to see that we have editors who support point of views of extremist organizations”) (“Definite proof we have Vilnija fans among us”) etc. Yet another example of tendentious Piotrus’s edits – article in question heavily rely on Polish newspapers, while non Polish newspapers cant be used in other articles .

Recruiting support for proper articles versions?

I have serious thoughts regarding some articles that some editors there brought to scene only to revert “proper” version of articles preferred by Piotrus. My findings of this issue covered here then one particular contributor user: LUCPOL, closely associated with Piotrus, reverts articles to the Piotrus versions. The feelings of not tolerated behavior surges then noticing that LUCPOL just reverts “proper version” without contributions on talk or in main space nor before nor after reverts, and in these cases Piotrus already in dispute with others. Assuming good faith I would like to ask Piotrus – do you ever asked or suggested directly or indirectly to User: LUCPOL that he should revert some articles’ versions in which you there in dispute?

P.S. I intend to continue presenting evidence in upcoming days. M.K. 13:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Piotrus

I do not envy the task ArbCom has taken, albeit I think it was inevitable sooner or later; some users - parties in this issue, myself included - have shown that they are unable to resolve their conflict without a third party enforcable ruling. So, here we are.

Please note that at the moment I am posting this only one other user (M.K.) has presented his evidence (agaist me and several other Polish users), with a note "I intend to continue presenting evidence in upcoming days"); I have asked him to finish it twice (, ) so far with no effect. Please bear in mind that if M.K. updates his section or other users post their evidence my reply below may be no longer comprehensive; I however see no way to avoid it given that the party which filled the ArbCom request in the first place had 2 weeks to finish presenting their evidence. I am therefore assuming they have done so and present my reply below. I will do my best to keep this a consise summary of 1) my response to the other side's claims presented in evidence so far and 2) my claims about the other side. I will reply to current evidence in sections with a single example discussed in detail if feasible; otherwise this would be way over lenght recommended by ArbCom. If ArbCom would like me to expand on anything and address any edit/series of edits in detail, please let me know.

Piotrus response to other side's claims

  1. "Removal of referenced information": of course I occasionally remove information, including referenced. I never do it lightly - but it is perfectly acceptable behaviour per Misplaced Pages:Verifiability ("Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor") and related policies (ex.WP:NPOV#Undue_weight).
    For example taking the first diff presented by M.K. I'd like to point to NPOV:UW: all sources (8) in Ypatingasis būrys agree it was a Lithuanian unit; very few (2) mention in passing that among its ~100 members there were several of other ethnicity/pre-war citenzship (even M.K.'s primary source in its English summary mentions only Lithuanian ethnicity in YB). Non-Lithuanian participation in YB is notable enough to mention in the YB article, but it should not be used to argue in articles where YB crimes are discussed that those crimes were commited by 'Lithuanians, Russians and Poles'.
    Note that M.K. has also "removed referenced information" himself (, , , ) which I think was much more reliable, relevant and neutral (from Cas Mudde/Routledge and Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs).
  2. Fueling revert wars - a good example of accusation not backed by anything but bad faith interpretation of my edits. He who has never reverted on Misplaced Pages, please throw a stone first :) But seriously, the real problem here is a user who is using a year-old 3RR case filled by a suspicious user and a 'no action' report filled by himself to argue that his opponent is a revert warrior. Such strong bad faith claims based on such flimsy evidence and trotted out on many discussion/talk pages (, , ) and edit summaries (, , ) to discredit me and others is what is really disruptive. Note also I am commonly starting talk page discussions to avoid edit warring, and initate DR procedures seeking input from neutral sides (ex. , , ). I also start DR mediations like Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Lithuania/Conflict resolution or help with guidelines to end many revert wars (WP:NCGN). The only DR procedures initatied by MK are to complain about my or others behaviour when we don't agree with his POV (and see how helpful he is in such discussions)...
  3. Violating WP:LIVING. For starters, it was ME who reported KG page to WP:BLP to gather input from neutral editors and BLP experts. User:DGG offered help and the Kazimieras Garšva page has been stable since January 28 with a compromise that the community (me included) find apparently quite acceptable. Vilnija page is also rather stable this year. The only worrying behaviour on those article's were M.K.'s repeated attempts to remove reliable sources critical of this organization and that person (see example from point 1).
  4. "Recruiting support for proper articles versions" - bad faith speculations and allegations. I helped LUCPOL with several issues, including translating his statements in a dispute resolution, I also contribute to Silesia articles (he founded Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Silesia. Apparently in return he occasionally looks at some of the current disputes I am involved in and supports my edits. Excuse me if some editors want to help me instead of drag me through DR :)

Piotrus claims about other side

For ArbCom to investigate and comment on.

  1. Extreme unmoderated POV. Briefly. We all are POVed. I have admited on many occasions I have a Polish POV. Nonetheless I believe my almost 20 Featured Articles, dozens of Good Articles, and scores of DYKs and such (see here) show that I can overcome my POV and produce high-quality FA NPOV work including that on controversial subjects like Katyn massacre or German invasion of Poland where I evidently can cooperate with Russian/German/etc. editors (please see also statement by Featured Articles Director, User:Raul654, at my RfC, and such outside party's comments in this ArbCom as Hillock65's, Zscout370's and Biophys'). Most of my critics here are either 1) not productive content editors (Jadger, Dr. Dan...) whose input is mostly limited to inserting POVed statements, revert warring about them and harassment on talk or 2) content editors who have a very strong POV of their own on which they refuse to compromise; they believe (or act like) their POV is NPOV.
    M.K. belongs to that second group and has demonstrated such extreme POV on many cases. He has disrupted Poland-related articles on several cases (see Vilnija/KG issue above, for another example consider his continued POV edits to Armia Krajowa using Vilnija sources to portay AK as a criminal organization culminating in failed attempt to delist it from GA list). His POV has been proven wrong by a MedCab case, ignored by WPMIHIST reviewers, by GA reviewers (twice...) - which of course only means he is using that article as an example of a place where Polish editors wrong him in revert wars and so on...
  2. Incivility. Incivility has been shown by all sides in this conflit, occasionally even by myself (which I deeply regret and I believe I have apologized whenever I was asked for). This is unfortunate, but with one exception I don't believe behaviour of any user with regard to WP:CIV merits ArbCom attention at this moment. The mentioned exception is based on my belief that one user has been extremnly uncivil, significantly contributing to worsening the relations between many editors (primarly Polish and Lithuanian). The editor in question is User:Dr. Dan, already once blocked for incivility. It is my belief that - intentionally or not - that user has been baiting both sides, frustrating many editors and talk page discussions with worst-style Usenet flaming. Lenghty list of his misconduct is presented on a separate section below.
  3. Bad faith, slander and harassment. Per my statement at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Piotrus#Statement_by_Piotrus, I believe M.K. violates Misplaced Pages:Harassment with regard to my person (and likely that of several other editors, like Halibutt or Lysy): nitpicking good-faith edits, repeated personal attacks (false and bad-faithed claims of our wrongdoing - this ArbCom and his statements in my RfC are perfect examples), discussion space incivil comments and accusations (ex. , , ), user space harassment (on my talk page, ex. and , as well as on others' users talk (which should fall under wikistalking), ex., , , (note I am not the only victim, he is harassing other editors, ex. , , , , , ... causing some of them to limit their involvement in this project - ex. see statement by Halibutt in this ArbCom, note that Halibutt's loss as an active editor (formerly 156 most active editor) is a big loss to this project; M.K. has yet to make it to that list...). It doesn't matter to him that he receives little support in RfC, his mediations get rejected - he keeps repeating the same accusations over and over again until his opponents are so disgusted with this harassment that they leave the project (or respective discussions and articles). Please note that M.K. is often helped and encouraged in such behaviour by Dr. Dan (evidence below).

Piotrus evidence against Dr. Dan

Because of frequency of disruption, this is a large amount of evidence, I am therefore putting it in its own section for ease of reference. For chronological order, please start at the bottom.

May'07
April'07
March'07
Feb:

January and earlier:

LK

Piotrus request to the ArbCom

It is my belief that M.K. should be warned to stop harassment of me and other editors (like Halibutt and Lysy) under a threat of a block, and put on probation from Poland-related articles. Majority of his positive contributions are in the field of Lithuanian architecture and history, unrelated to Poland, it would be a loss to see him go but his disruption of Poland-related articles needs to be put to an end. Some form of mentorship and adoption would be also highly advisable. Considering the neglible positivie content contributions coming from Dr. Dan at all, and vast amount of disruption, I feel that a probation from any Poland-related articles and particulary talk pages is highly advisable and the least strong solution ArbCom should utilize in regard to this editor. Finally, several users (M.K., Jadger, Dr. Dan, Irpen) should be cautioned that they are not neutral and reminded of how Wiki is supposed to work.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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