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Azizbekov
There’s a lot of POV editing made by User:Azizbekov. The book that he quoted mentions Azerbaijan only once, and in the following context:
In the summer of 1944 a decision had been taken to create a Turkestani volunteer unit for the Waffen-SS, and existing Turkestani volunteers serving within the German Army, along with their German commanding officer were transferred en masse into the Waffen-SS. In addition, volunteers from Azerbaijan, Kirghistan, Uzbekistan and Tadzhikistan were absorbed into this new unit which took on the title Ost Musselmanisehes Division der SS (Eastern Moslem Division of the SS).
Note that the book calls this unit Turkestani, however Azizbekov changed Turkestani to Azerbaijani-Turkic. The reasons for such POV editing are not clear. The part about atrocities is an OR as well. The book only says:
During the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising in July 1944, these Moslem volunteers were attached to the infamous Dirlewanger Brigade, notorious for the hideous atrocities committed wherever it operated. Nowhere near sufficient recruits were forthcoming to bring the division up to its nominal strength.
No particular mention of Azerbaijanis is made in the book, while Azizbekov misquoted the source again. The picture of mufti of Jerausalem says that he is pictured with “Soviet Muslim volunteers in German army in Berlin” , Azizbekov changed that to “Azerbaijani members of the Waffen-SS”. I would like to ask third party users to check this article for neutrality. --Grandmaster 11:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I do not understand why I am attacked by a second user now for writing about Azerbaycan-Germany connection. One user already tried to get another article deleted. Azerbaycanis did important thing to try liberate their homeland from Soviet teror, but we must not glorify nazis, and write article so polish and other hurt popeple underrstand. I am new to wiki so this is confuseing.Azizbekov 16:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I re-add info and change some word. Maybe grandmaster is right. I am interested in this period of azeri history - I just did not want to sound I am naxi and support this. On image of the mufti, I find it here http://www.germanwarmachine.com/hitlersforeignlegions/exploitingbalkan.htm and it says they are azeri, you can also agree by his arm patch. Azizbekov 16:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did not find the image of mufti at that URL. Stop making POV edits. Grandmaster 04:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you missed it. Scroll down on this page, I see it fine: http://www.germanwarmachine.com/hitlersforeignlegions/exploitingbalkan.htm and an enlargement: http://www.germanwarmachine.com/hitlersforeignlegions/images/exploitingbalkan/162.htm
Is it ok now?Azizbekov 05:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC) Also, you can see their Azerbaijani patch very clearly, right?Azizbekov 05:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Deleted unsourced POV and changed the heading to "Participation" since there was no sourced info on any atrocities. Azizibekov, please provide sources. Ehud 05:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
All sources have been provided, it is not my job to make you read it, go read on the massacre of poles, or maybe you are OK with Nazi activity?Azizbekov 05:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ehud is right. You add this paragraph to the article:
- First they took part in massacre of 50,000 civilians in the Wola massacre, then moved to the Old Town (another 5,000 sick and wounded murdered after the Polish forces withdrew from the area, the remaining 35,000 being sent to concentration camps) and then to Czerniaków and Powiśle - along the Vistula.
- And cite no source for this info. Is it your original research or you can back up this statement with relialble sources? --Grandmaster 06:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Mr. Azizbekov, I am acting in accord with Wiki rules. You indicate the unsourced information about alleged human right abuse record and providing unsourced numbers. This makes it unacceptable with Misplaced Pages rules.
- Coming to my national origin and your comment on my history, I will not tolerate that insulting attitude. I would appreciate if Administrators could warn the user for starting personal attacks on my national identity and making sarcastic remarks on my ancestors.
- Nothing makes me a fake Jew. This article is not made "Nazi friendly". It would have been Nazi friendly if I deleted any information relating to extermination of Jews, Polish or any other ethnicities for that matter.
- If sources for the part of article I removed are provided by you, it would come into accord with Misplaced Pages rules. You can't just get the numbers out of nowhere and post them into the article, OR get them from some source which claims there have been massacres by Nazis, AND relate it to Azeris serving in German Army. For now, I will revert it to previous version until the sources are provided. Ehud 06:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Sources are not provided again and Azizbekov refuses to do so. This is against Misplaced Pages regulations. Ehud 05:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
You are doing nothing according to wikipedia rules, nor showing any compassion for the suffering and indignity of Poles and some Jews who were in Warsaw in 1944. Calling you a fake jew when you really are one is a not of fact not a personal attack. Again, I cannot force you read to sources, only provide them. I added some more and hope this time you will read them.Azizbekov 05:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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