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Archive 3 has been created with a link at above right. Archive 4, when needed in the future, should be a new subpage (same as creating an article) titled "Talk:Psychokinesis/Archive_4" and the link added to the template on this page's code. For further information on archiving see Misplaced Pages:How to archive a talk page. There are also Step-by-Step Instructions - Archiving a Talk Page on my personal User Page. Thank you. 5Q5 19:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
List of cultural references to PK and TK was deleted
I have just learned, after the fact, that the above useful research list has been deleted from Misplaced Pages forever. The article, history log, and talk page with pending titles: all gone. Here is the timeline of events as best as I can determine: On Tuesday July 24, 2007 a Misplaced Pages administrator by the user name of Eyrian (Contribs) flagged the article with a delete nomination banner (this editor does this to a lot of list articles). Voting took place here and on Sunday July 29, 2007, the article was deleted. It would have been nice if someone had notified us editors on this main PK article from which the list linked. If you're thinking you can always find the list at the Internet Archive, no, I checked, it's not there. Right now, the only place you can find it is in Google's temporary cache of the page. I would urge everyone to copy the page from there quickly before it disappears... If anyone ever wants to volunteer to create and manage a web page with the list, be sure to add it to the external links section. 5Q5 13:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- There are some admins who will undelete the page if you ask them, but only for your own use. It won't stay on wikipedia forever. This page should help you. Totnesmartin 14:48, 30 July 2007
- Thanks for the info, just the type of helpful input I was looking for; though realistically I don't think they would put the List back up, but it's very useful to know there is a dispute process. I've saved the code from Google's cache. 5Q5 18:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- they'd do it if you just wanted to save the information on your own computer, but it would be deleted again soon. Having said that, Unexplained disappearances was resurrected from deletion, and is still around today - but only because a gang of editors worked hard to make massive improvements. Totnesmartin 19:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, just the type of helpful input I was looking for; though realistically I don't think they would put the List back up, but it's very useful to know there is a dispute process. I've saved the code from Google's cache. 5Q5 18:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
There does seem to be a purge of "in popular culture" articles going on currently; but then the quality of most of them is awful, just huge lists of the topic being mentioned in videogames and sitcoms. Totnesmartin 14:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Update - The lengthy PK/TK Cultural References List is now gone from Google, but don't worry, all that hard work by Wiki editors has been saved and will likely reappear on the Internet again someday, possibly as an addition to this Hollywood PK/TK Movie List, which was a "See also" link on that page. 5Q5 13:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
What a mess...
This article is horrific. Anyone reading this please comment immediately so that we can start improving it. Please add some input. Thanks. Wikidudeman 16:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- I assume your insults are directed at me, the only person over the past year who has taken the time to go to libraries, spend hours doing fact-finding research, make pages of handwritten notes, compile reference information, and contribute whole sections to the article, which were then tweaked by many others. The article has evolved into the number one spot in Google's ranking for psychokinesis. Is it finished? Is it perfect? No. No. Misplaced Pages is a thankless, unpaid hobby. I have actual professional nonfiction literary credentials in real life (author of books). Do you? There are always drivers of bulldozers who think they know better. The article is full of useful information. It will continue to develop over time. Again, thanks for starting off the discussion by insulting those who have gone out and done the legwork. I sprained my back the other day, so I'm not in a happy place as I write this. 5Q5 14:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- 5Q5, No one's insulting anyone. I'm stating a simple fact. This article is in "horrific" condition. That's a simple fact. If you're insulted by me telling the truth about an article then I can't help that. The lead is too small, The references are for the most part unformatted, Most of the skepticism section seems to be strawman arguments and quotes at that. The article is not neutral from my reading of it. These are simple facts. Now you can take my criticism of the article as personal insults directed at you or you can take my criticism as it is and help me improve the article. Wikidudeman 23:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, just the sort of thing we'd expect from someone who wants to become an Admin, WDM. ——Martin (Talk Ψ Contribs) 19:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Speaking the truth? I agree. Wikidudeman 23:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- "Horrific," adjective. 1. grossly offensive to decency or morality; causing horror. 2. causing fear or dread or terror. Source: Princeton University via dictionary.com. Anyone who's been following this page long enough knows that nearly every addition is flagged for a citation required. It's an "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" topic, so even the references go the extra step to make sure they're believable by adding the quoted material that proves they aren't being hoaxed. PK exists also as a legitimate topic in fiction. Skeptics rarely write about psychokinesis except to say short disparing things about other researcher's work. I challenge you to find something meaningful and then add it. Go ahead. Find a better quote about psychokinesis by Sagan, Shermer, and Randi. By the way, I'm a long-time published member of a skeptics organization. You should have seen the page when I arrived. Thanks.5Q5 22:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Well by "Horrific" I mean dreadful or fearful. Dreadful and fearful because I dread having to shift through it to make the relevant improvments. You seem to be under the impression that a lot of quotes is a good thing, however this isn't the case. Too many large quotes in an article is actually a bad thing and they should be paraphrased and shortened so as to not directly quote the individuals. As far as writing things, I will be improving this article in a short while once I'm doing with what I'm currently doing. I'm not disparaging you, I'm simply stating my opinion of the article itself. Please don't take it the wrong way. Wikidudeman 22:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Most of the excess appears to be in the Skepticism and controversy section, especially the lengthy ones by Brougham. I put those quotes there, so me have a crack at thinning them out. 5Q5 13:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- Try to avoid direct quotes and simply paraphrase them in your own words, saying what they say but not directly quoting them. Wikidudeman 13:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- Please try not to give orders. You started this off badly enough. For instance, you could have said "I suggest we avoid direct quotes and simply paraphrase..." ——Martin (Talk Ψ Contribs) 22:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- 1. I didn't start anything of badly.
- 2. It wasn't an order. It was a suggestion.
- Wikidudeman 23:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
. ——Martin (Talk Ψ Contribs) 23:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)