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Mixed lines

A suggestion for mixed line icon prefixes:

Some comments on the existing codes (See also User_talk:AlisonW/Archive 3#Rail_icons above):

• Just one icon does not conform to the table above Image:BSicon vuxABZ3lg.svg, should be vue then.
• vx - should not be used for mixed lines; the prefix should include an "u". This prefix is used only once, I've copied the icon Image:BSicon vxKBFe.svg -> Image:BSicon vueKBFe.svg according to the table above. The prefix vx may be needed for the dual lines feature, it contains some quite complex icons (the ÜST group), also, the xv prefix is allready used here.
• I think this icon group has no need for different prefixes for line and line feature because these icons always designates a change of operations mode. A railway line e.g. will service railway stations, not metro stations. I think it is desirable to keep the number of different prefixes low.

regards, BjørnN (talk) 17:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I am all too aware that that whole section is a mess, and also fails to include a code for where both the 'heavy rail' and 'light rail' are currently still in use (which I've needed lately but put off!). In essence it will need the 'feature' option available, though this might be one set of icons which are best accomplished by using multi-pictogram overlays. I haven't looked yet to see whether other projects have produced a workable solution already ... --AlisonW (talk) 17:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

btw, personally I would like to see the "v" in those mixed codes dropped entirely because of the possibility to mis-read a code as being a parallel lines one. "b" might be workable but I haven't seen yet how many places those many times the available pictograms are presently used. And yes, "u" should be there too but not as the first character. --AlisonW (talk)

There are 9 pictograms in question, being used 4 times in articles (besides the pictogram catalog), so an amendment isn't much work.

I agree that the "v" is confusing, maybe "mu" - mixed operation with underground (german: Mischbetrieb mit U-Bahn, most of the codes are extracted from the german language) would be obvious. BjørnN (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposal

There will be examples where the feature (eg a station) at the point of join could be open or closed and heavy or metro, as such we do need to 'break apart' the codes. Although you can't have an open station on a fully closed line (usually, anyway: I can think of examples in the UK though, annoyingly) then I think the following could work:

ie. m-for-main (followed by 'e' if closed) then u-for-unter (again followed by 'e' if closed) and @ being an 'x' signifying the feature is closed( not required if both tail types closed) There is also a possible need for a 't' / tunnel addition too. There might also on some icons be the issue of which is 'on top' but hopefully that will be in the suffix codes ok. --AlisonW (talk) 21:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Rail Icons redux

I have no problem if you wish to re-code the few mixed-mode icons that I have created for special purposes. I initially chose "v" for variant as the prefix but any other letter is acceptable to me. Well done for all the effort in pulling together such a comprehensive list of icons. --DavidCane (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Railroad Star
		I award this barnstar for the many hours spent toiling in the icon mines to produce a comprehensive list of railway icons. --DavidCane (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Morden Map

I did consider at one point changing the map mock-up to show Morden as North Morden. but I thought it best to retain the actual current names of the station rather than a proposed but unused alternative. Following the principle seen elsewhere on the Underground, if Morden had been North Morden, Morden South would most probably been South Morden and changing both would have probably been confusing. --DavidCane (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Rail pictograms

Thanks for reminding me. I feel really sorry, as i haven't notice that the information box should be changed too. I will correct them now, for those icons created by any others. I apologise for my negligence again. – PeterCX&Talk 09:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)