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3RR violation

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

I note that you have already reverted Iris Chang 4 times today, but as you have not previously been warned I am not blocking you this time. I will block you if you make 1 more revert, or break the 3 revert rule in future. Thryduulf 10:27, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

reply from my talk page

I'm sorry for not explaining it so you could understand last time, I'll try again below.

• The Three Revert Rule (3RR) means that you can be blocked if you revert any page more than three times in any 24 period.
• user:Markalexander100 (who signs himself as just Mark) reported on the 3RR violations page - Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR - that you had reverted the Iris Chang article 4 times between 06:45 and 15:41 (both times UTC) yesterday (3 June).
• Normally this would mean that you would be blocked from editing for 24 hours. However, as you had not been warned about the rule I used my discretion and did not block you (obviously), but chose to warn you instead.
• When I wrote the warning method, what I meant was that if you made one more revert before 09:24 today (one 24 hours and 1 minute after the second revert), then I would block you for violating the rule. The second part means that as you have been warned, any time in the future you make 4 or more reverts in any 24 period you will be blocked.
• You can read the report Mark made at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Flowerofchivalry, which details all the individual reverts.
• You can revert Iris Chang in the future, as long as you don't break the 3RR. That said, continutally reverting is not acceptable. If there are any disputes as to the content of an article the first step is to discuss in on the talk page - in this case talk:Iris Chang.

I hope this helps. Thryduulf 07:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RFC

Hi Flowerofchivalry. After much deliberation we have decided to bring RfC into play, and we have submitted a request for comment here. Please respond to it under the "response" heading. Thanks. -Hmib 11:47, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for providing me a funny commedy story. I'm sure this does not work because the person must be accused is you. Don't you remember? Mark told you to stick to the facts. If you sticked to the fact, you can't accuse me. Don't waste your time while complaining you have the final exam. --Flowerofchivalry 12:35, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please provide an example where I did not state a fact. -Hmib 12:41, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

BTW, feel free to start a RfC against me. -Hmib 12:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

All. Oh wait, it is a fact that my English sucks. So what? You can fix my English if you can. Why not??

RfC against you? I think I don't need it because you did by yourself. I told you you shouldn't do it but you don't listen. --Flowerofchivalry 12:45, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please direct all further RfC-related issues to its own talkpage, and/or write a response. -Hmib 12:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Iris Chang

Hey, Flower, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that Japan did lots of really evil things in Asia in the 1930's and 1940's. I don't blame most contemporary Japanese for what their ancestors did - but those like you, who aren't strong enough to face the truth and admit it, well, them I consider to be voluntarily taking a share of the guilt for those heinous acts. Noel (talk) 21:07, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello Noel or Jnc, thank you for your comment. I have one question. Why you assume "Japan did lots of really evil things in Asia in the 1930's and 1940's." There are many sources that support your assuming while there are many sources that decline your assuming. --Flowerofchivalry 21:18, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So what the Japs did in China are all 'assumptions'? And there's alot of 'evidence' from nwo-Nazis on that the Holocaust never happened. Why don't you include them as well?

Help...

OK.

I want to be impartial and not favor either side in this, and to do so I will not be researching the article or articles in question. I will merely attempt to help facilitate discussion. I might or might not also work with others in the dispute, anyone who asks for help, I will attempt to help.

I am assuming good faith on the part of everyone involved, to begin with, and I will not 'take sides' or judge who is wrong or right, merely make suggestions. If that works for you, I would be glad to help.

Also, our conversations on my talk page will be available for anyone to read, I see no need for secrecy... portions of our discussion might be copied to the appropriate article's talk page.

One issue that may be affecting communication is that at least one of you appear to not be a native speaker of English. If you have difficulty expressing your ideas, I would be happy to "translate your English into English" for you, and try to help you express precisely what it is you wish to express.

It would be helpful to me if you don't refer to other editors in our discussion, but merely the statements:

that are in the article, but are false, or untrue, or misleading;

that are in the article but are not neutral or are not 'encyclopedic;

that are not in the article but are important and must be included for completeness;

that contain Point of View problems, either:

expressing a strong point of view that is not neutral

or

omitting an opposing, valid point of view.

Just to begin. I'll check my messages tonight. I am in time zone GMT - 8 hours, West Coast of North America. Please continue this discussion on my talk page in the section you started.

If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer. Pedant 21:33, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

I greatly appreciate your help. Yes, please do NOT favor my side...because I have to listen to the third parties' opinion.

I strongly believe Hmib has made all the problems, but if you find my problem, please do not hesitate to tell me that. This is what I would like you to do it.

In addition, yes, my English sucks. This is a fact. However, I passed all university level English composition classes. It is clear for me that I have to keep improving my skill of English.

Again, thank you for your offer, and please don't hesitate to point my problem, if there is any. --Flowerofchivalry 01:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

more on my talk page Pedant 02:09, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

even more on my page, glad we are making some fast progress, thanks for your quick replies. I'll be offline until tomorrow afternoon or evening.Pedant 03:16, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Just checking in with you, glad you are not stressed by recent events. Yes the RfC can take good care of itself, and will only serve to help bring attention to the problems you were having with the article. Just remember to be polite to anyone, especially someone who isn't polite at all, and you will have almost no problems at all. Please let me know if you need more help with anything, or advice. Or if there is an interesting article growing somewhere, I edit almost any subject. Pedant 2005 June 30 23:32 (UTC)

I understand. I even appreciate Hmib to post the RfC so many people are now paying attention to us. I'm extremely busy these days, but I still pay attention to Misplaced Pages. Thanks. --Flowerofchivalry 1 July 2005 06:05 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi Flower, can you supply a link to where s/he said "a fucking jap neo-nazi holocaust denier." Thanks, SlimVirgin 10:41, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

here or here or here or here or here if not more. Sorry for lacking the information.

--Flowerofchivalry 10:47, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

or this. There are many. --Flowerofchivalry 10:55, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for supplying the links. I've left a warning on his talk page. If he does it again, let me know. SlimVirgin 10:58, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I hope it works. --Flowerofchivalry 10:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Flower, thanks for reverting those edits/articles of mine that person kept editing for criticism of the CCP/Mao/etc. John Smith's 16:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome. --Flowerofchivalry 21:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Godammit, that person is at it again. Can you help me by reverting articles when you can? I'll be doing it 3 times in 24hrs at this rate. Cheers! John Smith's 28 June 2005 09:30 (UTC)

Next time, please do not forget to sign your comment. I will do my best, but I have a broken heart right now, and almost start crying because my friend left the US. I'm busy with planing to go and see her ;) Anyhow, I have never overlooked vandalism and not going to. If I can help you more, don't hesitate to tell me ok?

--Flowerofchivalry 28 June 2005 09:34 (UTC)

Flower, I don't see the example you gave as being a personal or racist attack. What you have with the anon is a content dispute, so the way to deal with it is to stick closely to our policies: WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, and Misplaced Pages:Cite sources. Write in an encyclopedic style, and cite reputable sources for any contentious points you make. I can't get involved in the details of the dispute because I'm not familiar with the issues. Cheers, SlimVirgin June 29, 2005 06:13 (UTC)

Reverting

Please make yourself aware of the Misplaced Pages:Three revert rule (3RR). Any violation is likely to result in a 24-hour block. SlimVirgin June 29, 2005 16:00 (UTC)

He has been warned at least 3 times already. The usefulness of those warnings, I shall let you decide for yourself. -Hmib 30 June 2005 00:37 (UTC)

Japanese Self-Defence forces

Hi, flower. As someone who can (OBVIOUSLY) read Japanese, I was wondering if might like to help me on a project. I see that the Japanese Self-Defence forces have a page on wiki, but only a general one. There are no sub-pages for the JGSDF, JMSDF or JASDF. I could certainly get started, but as I can't read Japanese I wouldn't be able to supply the most up-to-date information. So I was wondering if we could try to work together, or you could ask some other Japanese people you know to help out if they're more interested in the military than you. Otherwise I can do my best by myself and just ask if you could find specific information.

Cheers John Smith's 2 July 2005 16:40 (UTC)

Why not??? I'm glad to work with you. Yes, there are three forces, army(JGSDF), navy(JSMDF), and air force(JASDF). The Japanese people are trying to change their name to the Japanese Army, Navy, and Air Force. I'm extremely busy these days, but still I'm interested in. Do you have a specific plan?

--Flowerofchivalry 2 July 2005 21:46 (UTC)

Erm, I'm not sure :) To be honest what I need is someone who is willing to "find" me information - i.e go onto whatever website and translate the necessary info. So if I get stuck, then perhaps I could drop you a line. Otherwise feel free to either complete what you're working on now - or of course drop in if you have some suggestions. I'll get started on the Navy first.

Look, tell you what, perhaps you could do me a small favour. If you go to the Globalsecurity website, could you try to find out the latest information on the "DDH-X" and "DDG-X" projects? Also anything that Globalsecurity hasn't mentioned. That would be the best way to ensure anything I put up there is up-to-date. Cheers John Smith's 3 July 2005 21:09 (UTC)