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Evidence presented by Android79
30 June
The following is a description of a revert war, 3RR violation, and blocking of Gabrielsimon that took place at George W. Bush. I believe it is a typical example of the kinds of behavior Gabrielsimon has engaged in during revert wars on political articles. Gabrielsimon ignores the advice and complaints of other editors, makes small changes to his continually reinserted edits in order to "get around" the 3RR, and presents an illogical and POV claim backed up with dubious sources (newspaper editorials, blog entries). In short, he attempts to present his POV as fact and ram it into the article.
All times are UTC-5. android79 04:09, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
- 21:28
- Gabrielsimon adds a poorly-worded, illogical, and unsourced "War for Oil" claim into George W. Bush.
- 21:32
- Gabrielsimon is reverted by Rhobite.
- 21:46
- 21:51
- 21:51
- 21:54
- Fuzheado adds a protection notice to the page, but due to a bug or some other oversight, the page is not truly protected.
- 21:55
- I explain my problem with the paragraph: it is supported by highly biased sources. I include a link to Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources in the hopes that Gabrielsimon will take the time to read it and improve his citations.
- 21:57
- 21:58
- 21:59
- 22:00
- 22:01
- 22:06
- 22:08
- 22:09
- 22:12
- 22:26
- 22:31
- Cyrius blocks Gabrielsimon for 3RR.
Evidence presented by Solipsist
I suspect the issues here may be much wider than are currently being discussed. What concerns me about Gabrielsimon, is that he has been editing for over five months and there has been a continuous trail of disruption following him for most of that time.
I had thought that Gabrielsimon was simply a rather enthusiasic editor who got in to trouble as a result of his somewhat eccentric views on fantasy and mythology related subjects. This would tend to lead to revert wars, and acqusations of mistreatment to anyone who would listen. However, from this RfAr, I can see the same issues extend to other articles.
9 July 2005
Gabrielsimon has had a long running dispute with User:DreamGuy, which lead to an RFC against DreamGuy in July. Initially the RfC was quite chaotic, but once evidence was presented it became clear that DreamGuy had indeed engaged in personal attacks. However it also became clear that Gabrielsimon, User:Dbraceyrules and others had been organising a campaign against DreamGuy since at least April.
- 13:08, 21 April 2005
- Gabrielsimon is discussing with User:24.164.211.25 (later confirmed to be User:Dbraceyrules/Horatii) how to orchestrate revenge against User:DreamGuy.
29 July 2005
Shortly after this the RfC became moot and Gabrielsimon and Dbraceyrules make consiliatory gestures
- 01:25, 29 July 2005
- Gabrielsimon apologises to DreamGuy on his talk page
- 01:37, 29 July 2005
- Dbraceyrules suggests deleting the RfC
30 July 2005
However almost immediately a further dispute breaks out at Talk:Otherkin
- 22:29, 30 July 2005
- Gabrielsimon had already been in discussion with User:Vashti on the Otherkin page, but this diff marks Gabrielsimon's responce to DreamGuy becoming involved.
30 July 2005
and a worse disupte and revert war escalates on Vampire
- 29 July 2005
- DreamGuy reverts a large passage added earlier by User:Existentializer at 19:04, 29 July 2005
- 23:57, 29 July 2005
- Gabrielsimon reverts back with the edit summary of 'there is no spoon'
- an edit war ensues - History of Vampire
- leading User:SlimVirgin to protect the page on the the 4th August (?)
- 02:49, 4 August 2005
- Gabrielsimon delivers a personal attack against DreamGuy in response to SlimVirgin's enquiry as to what is going on.
- 03:20, 4 August 2005
- Gabrielsimon adds a {protected} tag to the Vampire page with the comment 'if we are to aboid a DreamGuy's ego based edit war, this seems nessessary'.
There were also various calls for blocking based on the 3RR rule, such as WP:AN/3RR#User:DreamGuy. In fact SlimVirgin did briefly block DreamGuy on this issue, but removed the block shortly after.
What is most troubling about the spat on Vampire, is that it turns out that User:Existentializer who appears to have initiated the dispute was actually a sockpuppet. As were the edits by User:Ni-ju-Ichi and various anons. I wouldn't like to disentangle who's sockpuppets these were (perhaps someone can figure it out). However, the general pattern is DreamGuy reverting against a group of sockpuppets and Gabrielsimon.
I can interpret the events in one of two ways;
- 1) Gabrielsimon sees another dispute starting with DreamGuy and given their past history decides to join in, escalating the problem instead of diffusing it
- 2) it could be interpreted as an orchestrated attack against DreamGuy, with Gabrielsimon as one of the protagonists.
Either way, Gabrielsimon's involvement is far from constructive. I expect there is an awful lot more pro and counter evidence going on on various talk pages. -- Solipsist 14:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Nickptar
Some actions taken by Gabrielsimon on other users' comments and on his RfC:
27 July
31 July
1 Aug
- Deleting his own, Friday's, and DreamGuy's comments:
- Removing his 3RR violation from the RfC:
- Attempting to have his RfC speedy deleted:
- Deleting his 3RR violation report:
- At this point he is firmly convicted that the arguments against him are lies and must be suppressed. His justification for the 3RR violation is that DreamGuy was making bad faith edits. GS has claimed in past edit wars (on United States, for example) that his 3RR violations are excused because the edits he doesn't like are vandalism, when in point of fact, this is not true.