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Impersonator

The recent claim that Gabrielsimon made regarding his roomate poising as him demands examination. A list of edits that Gabriaelsimon believes his roomate made should be given post-haste. Hipocrite 12:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Solipsist's evidence

I'd query the statement that Gabrielsimon had been in a dispute with me on Talk:Otherkin at the time stated. In fact, compared to some of my past dealings with him, that discussion had been quite reasonable up until then. Vashti 15:15, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't paying close attention. I was just under the impression that after the RfC, the next dispute between Gabrielsimon and DreamGuy was at Otherkin and then Vampire. However when I looked at the histories on each page Gabrielsimon was already involved in the discussion on original research on the Otherkin article when DreamGuy joined in around the 30th, whilst on Vampire Gabrielsimon joined after DreamGuy. -- Solipsist 15:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry

Ketrovin

I saw a new user User:Ketrovin who's habits seemed astoundingly similiar to GS. See Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Gabrielsimon#Sockpuppet? for my post on this. Friday 18:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Another sockpuppet to consider would be

This user is a sock puppet of Enviroknot as established by User talk:David Gerard#Sock Puppet Request. and related sections of ANI, and has been blocked indefinitely. See contribs — page moves — all logs — block log

. -- Solipsist 19:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if there's an obvious answer somewhere, but I couldn't find it. Can we get someone to confirm or deny sockpuppetry by technical means? Friday 19:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I believe there is one admin, and only one, that is empowered to do IP checks. Unfortunately, I can't figure out who it is at the moment, but the ArbCom will undoubtedly look into this. I believe they are the ones that make the decision to allow an IP check. android79 19:10, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think Devilbat is GS - he uses capital letters, has much better spelling, has no user page, seems to be more interested in sf than spirituality, and is less prolific. On the other hand, I have zero doubt that Ketrovin is GS. I'm astounded by his unsubtlety and chutzpah. ~~ N (t/c) 20:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I believe Devilbat is the Existenializer/Enviroknot etc. guy who has like seven sockpuppets and several IP addresses of his banned now (and who helped GS on his edit warring on Vampire and Vampire fiction... or rather GS joined in as soon as he saw a fight). Every time Enviroknot he gets kicked off he's back almost immediately with new identities, and the timing with the last block seems a perfect fit. I have already reported him to the squad looking out for Enviroknot so they should be watching him. He's clearly not GS though, as they talk completely differently. Ketrovin though looks really suspicious... in fact I just noticed him elsewhere making similarly incomprehensible arguments on pages GS was on and was going to look into it. DreamGuy 22:13, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

FWIW, I agree that Devilbat looks different. However the similiarities with GS and Ketrovin are IMO astounding. Friday 20:20, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

The complicating factor is that there are likely to be a number of sockpuppets around, some might be GS, and others could be socks of sympathetic editors. Devilbat stands out, because of the one day edit history involving pages of mutal interest, and this edit doesn't look like a typical second edit from a user new to Misplaced Pages. -- Solipsist 20:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

This may be meat puppetry, not sock puppetry, or perhaps a combination of the two: User_talk:Ketrovin#Sorry. Ketrovin now says he happens to live just down the street from GS. The coincidences are quite astoudning. Friday 20:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

That's crazy. Motion for IP check ASAP. What is "meat puppetry", by the way? ~~ N (t/c) 21:07, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet#"Meatpuppets". android79 21:13, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

FWIW, the coincidences involved in order to make this not sock and/or meat puppeting are IMO simply too much to be believed. Two guys, with the same interests, the same extremely terrible typing/spelling when rushed, the same strange, somewhat child-like behavior. Ketrovin just happened to get an account about the time Arbitration started on GS. I asked him flat out on his talk page if he was GS, and he said no, never heard of him. Evidence started to pile up, other users chimed in that the coincidences were unbelievable. Then, Ketrovin does some research (his word) and discovers that GS lives right down the street from him. I know, there's no specific rule against multiple accounts, but this strains my good faith. I applaud the desire to "start over fresh", but this is an unbelievably bad way to do it. Friday 21:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Check out User talk:Alexandra Erin. Gabrielsimon has a lengthy conversation with this very new user and then Ketrovin drops in? Suspicious, suspicious. ~~ N (t/c) 22:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

It's been suggested that the similarities between the two users might be down to geographical proximity (I'm not sure what this means; a language gap? Cultural considerations?). If this is the case, I think we should bear in mind that Gabriel has been very clear that his bad typing, spelling and so on are down to personal medical problems that he has. Are we asked to believe that Ketrovin has exactly the same medical issues as GS does? Vashti 10:17, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

ill tell you guys this once, and once only, i am not Ketrovin, nor devilbat. i am me. i am only me, and thats how it will stay. Gabrielsimon 00:28, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Khulhy

Latest update: User:Ketrovin is all but certain to be a sock puppet or meat puppet, per discussion above and on Gabriel's RfC. We've got another potential one now too. Check out the edit history and actions of User:Khulhy... New editor showing up to change polymer clay article (after "Ketrovin" created Sculpy article), create a new article under the neologism Non-Human Identity Subcultures (as discussed by others and rejected on Talk:Otherkin) pages, and instantly jump in to vote on a VfD for the article created by Gebriel's sock. (Incidentally, we need more votes there.) I'm not sure I would have even thought to check if it weren't for Gabriel loudly trying to insinuate someone else was a sockpuppet of me, made it suspicious about what was on his mind. DreamGuy 02:41, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Looks like a possible sock so far, but it's too early to really say. How about we all be less agressive than we were last time - and I'm including myself there. ~~ N (t/c) 02:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

user hipocrite showed up after i called you a hipocrite and immiidatly began actiung like , well , in your interests. aseems sockish to me. Gabrielsimon 02:54, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Right, Gabriel... I doublechecked the list of edits people posting to the VfD had to make sure everyone had the 100 to get past sockpuppet claims and everyone who voted at the time I looked had (including hipocrite) except for khuly, where I noticed the unusual edits. Hipocrites first appearance seemed somewhat odd, and i considered him a possible straw man sockpuppet but so far I haven;t figured out if it's a coincidence or what's going on there. Definitely is not me though. DreamGuy 03:12, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

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