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I think your version is great Mmmmmmbo

Can you please explain your edits to Biff Rose? They appear to express a negative POV towards the person. -Willmcw 06:55, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

For willmcw

I think its high time you stopped trying to rearrange my words. The information contained on the biff rose site colelcts the pertinent info. It is not a billboard for his achievements, but an overview of his career. I think records that were pressed and sold are of worth. Ones that were not around in copies more than fifty or a hundred are not. I've interviewed Rose, I know which ones sold and which ones didn't. You can beef up a discog with murky details, but it won't help the whole wiki crowd. Stop being bullheaded, and agressive, because though you've been given power through edits, you have also become that which you supposedly fight against. You are not allowing the newer versions of this piece to come to life, but instead are so closely guarding the information disseminated from within that you have become like a fascist. Terrible!!!

Why do you delete the number of "Carson" appearances? Why are you deleting the name of his biggest song? What does it matter to you if the records sold 10 or 10,000 copies? Do you have some personal animus towards Rose? Please note that your personal feelings, and your personally-obtained interviews, should not be used to influence the article. It's a biography, and should present a comprehensive picture of his life. It's not a place to gain revenge on someone you don't like. -Willmcw 20:21, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

I've copied this discussion to the talk:Biff Rose page. -Willmcw 23:29, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Any info deleted was moved from prominence to more esoteric reading of it, to make the article read better, and have a decent flow. That Rose was in Time magazine once in 1965 is not of note. That he wrote a song that was covered by both Tiny Tim and David Bowie is. That that song was co written Oscar winning musician Paul Williams is important. Also of note, it should be mentioned that Rose has disavowed the Williams connection in several interviews, until in late 2004 on his own website's message board he admitted he was falsefying William's own involvement in the song. But a small 200 word blurb in time 50 years ago is not of worth. As for Rose's appearnaces on Carson, there has been no reall connection with the amount of times Rose officially appeared on the show, and how many times he taped performances. He alleges, himself, that he appeared on the show 12 times. Producerss from the Tonight show remember him being on with much less regularity. Therefore, a distinction, to leave out embrassment, would be something like, "Rose appeared with some level of regularity on the tonight show in the end of the decade." Of note> Rose was banned from any more performances on the Tonight Show because he refused to cut to a commercial break during his last performance, reciting a poem he often claimed as his own, which in fact was a poem by Paul Newman's uncle, Joseph Newman. This was chalked up to Rose's irrascible nature. I think it is important to notice to, the anger that first rears its head here, and then seems to pop up, on the record he did in 73, and beyond, to his later self released recordings where Rose is heard calling african americans niggers, and making fun of the jewish religion, citing Hit5ler as a genius, who clearly had a vision. Willmcw is trying to keep the previous words someone else wrote about Rose being a child molester, which were clearly vandalism. I did not write that, and the anti semitic sentiments attributed to Rose are very easily found in his records and his websites. Willmcw is a vandal and works against my own edits in a nasty and un wiki fashion.Steve espinola 00:54, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Greetings

Greetings and welcome to wikipedia. Please excuse the rude treatment you've received from the administrator who has engaged most of your attention thus far. He has a bad habit of disregarding Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers, especially where a newcomer has made edits to an article or subject he deems to be his territory. You should not let a hostile reception deter you from participating here and I hope you will stay. While editing I encourage you to review Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines located here. Please make a good faith attempt at abiding by each, and if you believe that another user you have encountered is not doing so a proper recourse is to inform him/her of it. Thanks and welcome once again. Rangerdude 23:54, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that this is a new user. -Willmcw 01:45, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

A hunch that somebody's a returnee, absent clear proof, is no basis to harass him or her. Unless you have proof and are prepared to make a case of it, please assume good faith. Rangerdude 04:44, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not harassing anyone. I came to his talk page to ask him to not delete material from an article. The fact that he is using a different username today didn't seem like sufficient reason to call out the welcome wagon. But you go right ahead if you like. Cheers, -Willmcw 05:09, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Revert warning

You are in danger of violating the three revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. -Willmcw 23:46, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

REad this

Willmcw, I understadn yo uare trying to avoid vandalism, but by manipulating this site into your view you promote FASCISM.

MY edits are good on the subject of Biff Rose.

Look at his website, research his recordings. Time magazine has written numerous articles, are these mentioned in other wiki posts... NO. So why here?

As for Rose's self released recordings, I did a favor to you by listing them. Are Other performers non accesible recordings listed? NO.

Do a better job editing and less of one POlicing because you stink at it.

Redirect

The article at Biff rose is improperly-titled because it is not capitalized correctly. Please leave it as a redirect to the properly-named article. Thank you. -Willmcw 04:38, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

What the?

Hey, why are you reverting my edits and removing the photo of Biff Rose? I found a separate article on the same topic (where you seemed to be the main author), incorporated the main points from it in an attempt to mege them. Someone later redirected it. Why are you deleting my additions? Marcuse 18:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

However much I abhor racism, anti-semitism, etc. I think that whatever Biff Rose currently espouses seems more like it should be taken with a grain of salt. Not quite the same as David Duke. I have no problem with these things outlined in his bio, but it should really not have the form as something showing a personal point of view. It seems like the way the article was, was fairly balanced, showing both old and new aspects of the artist. And let the quotes and links speak for themselves. Why did you remove all that other stuff which you deem extraneous, by the way? Having the name of some songs and collaborators seems rather harmless. But anyway, I don't really have any particular agenda in the matter, I just don't like random deletions of what I write. Marcuse 19:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey man, you have got to get a more broad sided view of the reality. what your writing only proves that you are a sock puppet for the Rose crew, and that you are unable to realize that wikipedia is a group process and that your words will be eidted no matter what, it's the nature of the beast. If you don't like the process move to some other site that protects your version of relaity as the truth. Good luck finding that place, brainiac.Steve espinola 22:26, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Steve

Username

Someone created a user page for you claiming that you were "a vandal who had a beef with one of the real Steve Espinolas". I've deleted it. Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 20:44, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

It was at User:Steve espinola, with the content "Steve Espinola" is the name of at least four real people. The Misplaced Pages user calling himself "Steve Espinola," however, is a vandal who has a beef with one of the real Steve Espinola's.

signed,

A real Steve Espinola, Brooklyn, NY."

It was created by an anonymous user. Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 21:04, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Can you verify that your name is really "Steve Espinola"? There is a well-known singer by that name. Another user is claiming to be him and claiming that you are impersonating him. This is similar behavior to someone who used the name user:Biffrose though he apparently was not that person. -Willmcw 21:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

I can verify I am Steve Espinola, can oyu verify that I'm not?Steve espinola 22:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC) Steve Espinola

There is a famous Steve Espinola. There my also be other Steve Espinolas. Are you claiming to be the singer? If not then would you please make a note that you are not that Steve Espinola so that no one will be confused? Thanks, -Willmcw 22:27, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

I'm officially confused. All I did in this was to delete a version of User:Steve espinola which had been vandalized into an attack page against you. As for the content of your disputes with other user(s), I can't comment. Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 22:41, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Reply to Biff Rose

Hello, Steve Espinola. I've protected the Biff Rose page until the dispute can be settled. I don't know who is right/wrong, but remember to keep in mind the non-point of view policy. If he is generally known as an anti-semitic, then that could be mentioned. Also, I've removed the picture because it seems doctored/fake- Hitler obviously wasn't around in 2004. Finally, keep in mind WP:3RR- this rule applies to everyone. Thus, please try and solve out this dispute. Once you do, you can contact me or another ], and we can unprotect it. One final note- you may also wish to try WP:RfC, where you can garner input from the Misplaced Pages community. Hope this helps! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:32, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. What listing did you see my name on?

Do not hide evidence of a dispute

Please stop deleting material about an ongoing dispute over your editing behavior from this talk page. Selectively deleting warnings and questions is a sign of bad faith, and is against guidelines on proper user talk page behavior. Misplaced Pages:User page#What can I have on my user talk page?. -Willmcw 23:57, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

I think you are making trouble willmcw, and have reported you. You keep harrassing me and accusing me of doing things I have not done. PLease examine your behavior, in regards to me, and adjust it. Steve espinola 00:03, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

to willmcw- YOU ARE HARRASSING ME> I've alerted other wikipedia officers so you should leave me alone. Rememeber, w3rr, willmcw. Leave me alone.Steve espinola 00:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Your note

Thanks for your note, Steve. This is the first I've heard of this dispute, so I have no idea of the details. I can tell you that Will is a good editor and responsible admin, so if he has a concern, it's best to be as cooperative as you can. SlimVirgin 01:15, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Hello again, Steve. I'm sorry you feel discouraged. Please understand that we have to deal with a large number of vandals, trolls, and troublemakers of various kinds, and so when a doubt arises about someone's intentions, we have to act on it. The best way to deal with this, from your end, is to assume good faith of Will, and offer him whatever cooperation he needs from you to help him sort it out. I can assure you of his goodwill and integrity. Perhaps you could drop him a note and offer to help him get to the bottom of it? That's likely to meet with a positive response. SlimVirgin 01:52, August 10, 2005 (UTC)