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June 21

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Nations by haplogroups (Y-DNA)

Category:Nations by haplogroups (Y-DNA) - Template:Lc1

and subcategories

Nominator's rationale: unsourced, unscientific, unencyclopedic and otherwise highly problematic categories. dab (𒁳) 07:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Agree. Unsourced categories and also unnecessary. The individual haplogroup pages already cover this material, and in plenty of detail with both the carrying populations and haplogroup frequencies highlighted. Soupforone (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Judge (Federal Constitutional Court of Germany)

Propose renaming Category:Judge (Federal Constitutional Court of Germany) to Category:Judges of the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Pluralize and use phrase rather than placing court in parentheses. Main article about court is Federal Constitutional Court of Germany, so apart from the format the category name is correct. Notified creator with {{subst:cfd-notify}} Good Ol’factory 06:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)}}

Category:TLC

Propose renaming Category:TLC to Category:TLC (TV channel)

Nominator's rationale: To match main; TLC is a dab. Also: Category:TLC programs to Category:TLC (TV channel) programs —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Nirvana B-sides

Nominator's rationale: Delete: Most B-sides are non-notable anyway, so I cleared the category by redirecting most of the articles to their albums. Even otherwise, this category is more-or-less unnecessary in light of Category:Nirvana songs. indopug (talk) 03:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Upmerge Having a category specifically for their b-sides is not useful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Non-nationals connected with Fiji

Propose renaming Category:Non-nationals connected with Fiji to Category:Expatriates in Fiji

Nominator's rationale: there are already a number of subcategory pages started for Category:Expatriates by country of residence and not a Category:Non-nationals by country to which they are connected or whathaveyou. (I will, should the nomination be supported, to make sure that no one who has not lived in Fiji is listed and list those people, should there be any, at Category:Fiji or other appropriate cat page) Mayumashu (talk) 02:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:India born Fiji Indians

Propose renaming Category:India born Fiji Indians to Category:Indian-born Fiji Indians

Nominator's rationale: more standard grammar Mayumashu (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Indians in Singapore

Propose renaming Category:Indians in Singapore to Category:Indian diaspora in Singapore

Nominator's rationale: 'Indians in Singapore' could mean either Indian expats in Singapore or Singaporeans of Indian descent or origin, in other words Indian diaspora in Singapore. Moreover, this cat page is listed as a sub-cat page of Category:Indian diaspora by country and the proposed renaming here is of the same pattern as other sub-cat pages for this cat pageMayumashu (talk) 01:07, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Deaths of peritonitis

Propose renaming Category:Deaths of peritonitis to Category:Deaths from peritonitis

Nominator's rationale: Rename. For consistency with other subcategories of Category:Deaths by type of illness and for clearer grammatical sense. TwoMightyGods_Necessity 00:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support as per nom. Mayumashu (talk) 01:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Fijian Indian diaspora

nomination withdrawn:Propose renaming Category:Fiji Indian diaspora to Category:Indian diaspora in Fiji

Nominator's rationale: as per naming pattern of other subcategory pages of Category:Indian diaspora by countryMayumashu (talk)

• Agree with nominator, makes clearer sense in English also. TwoMightyGods_Necessity 00:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC) (Though note that the nomination seems to be for Category:Fiji Indian diaspora TwoMightyGods_Necessity 00:58, 21 June 2008 (UTC))

Yes, that s what I meant, thanks. Mayumashu (talk) 01:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

On reflection this is not quite clear-cut; the Indian diaspora in Fiji is somewhat unusual because it has since developed a diaspora in its own right - for example Fiji Indians in Canada. But it is not so obvious how this diaspora from a diaspora should be handled, since placing them under the supercategory "Indian diaspora in Fiji" seems misleading. At present I don't think this need cause too much worry as no current subcategories exist where this problem with the suggested renaming would be encountered (for instance "Category:Fiji Indian Canadians"), but it's possible it will occur later, and Fiji isn't an isolated case - for example, many members of the Indian diaspora in East Africa emigrated to England as a distinct community in its own right. The currently suggested renaming makes a degree of sense since it emphasises that this category is about the population of Fiji with Indian origin rather than communities outside Fiji with Fiji Indian origin. I am contradicting Grutness in saying this but if you look at the category it actually is being used for the Indian diaspora in Fiji with very few exceptions - notably the article Fiji Indian diaspora which really is about the "diaspora from the diaspora". Perhaps what needs to happen is for the category to be split between a category for Fiji Indians in general (probably using the suggested nominated name) and into which virtually all the contents of this category should be emptied, and reserving the current name of this category for articles about the emigration Fiji Indians to countries other than Fiji - which ought to contain the article Fiji Indian diaspora and probably not a whole lot else, and to be a subcategory of the main Fiji Indian category and also directly of Category:Diasporas (which is a real mess by the way, e.g. with Category:Pakistani diaspora and Category:Pakistan diaspora?). TwoMightyGods_Necessity 01:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment and !vote Both the nominator and other commenters above seem to misunderstand the use of this category. It is not part of the Indian diaspora by country, nor is it for Indians in Fiji. It is for the diaspora of Fiji Indians to other countries. In Fiji, "Fiji Indian" is a specific ethnic group (people of Indian descent make up some 45% of Fiji's population). This category is for articles relating to the spread of Fiji Indians to other countries such as Australia and New Zealand. As such, the suggested names are highly inappropriate and discussion should be either to keep the current name, delete the category as a whole, or choose some other more appropriate name. Given the presence of similar categories nwith similar names (such as Category:African American diaspora and Category:Black African diaspora) my !vote would be to keep. Grutness...wha? 01:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. In fact, it seems to be both. A closer look shows that Category:Indo-Fijian people is a sub-cat, when it should be the other way round. (The misunderstanding occurred because, as already mentioned, it is incorrectly listed as a sub-category of Category:Indian diaspora by country). I will then cancel this nomination and fix the links. Mayumashu (talk) 01:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

More than that needs to be done, as I mentioned above - virtually everything in the Category:Fiji Indian diaspora does not belong there! The article Fiji Indian diaspora is about Fiji Indians who have emigrated so fits in there fine, but almost everything else needs to be cleared out. This is why I was initially happy with the suggested rename, because the tiny proportion of articles for which the current name actually applies to probably don't need a category of their own anyway and would belong equally as well in a category about Indo-Fijians. TwoMightyGods_Necessity 01:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)