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Barnstar

		The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit
		Jaakobou, You have worked hard to attempt to improve wikipedia's Israel/Palestine related articles. You have made appropriate additions and changes, added sourced content, and dealt with the POV issues related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I believe you have at many times tried to promote improvement and NPOV in many wikipedia articles, and have greatly improved many articles. You have had to deal with some issues in the past, have faced at times controversial sanctioning, but when you were wrong, you have learned from your mistakes, and improved your editing, and since, you have become a very good editor. For all you have done, you have won my respect, and are in my opinion very deserving of this barnstar. YahelGuhan (talk) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Floating header

First comment copied from Sceptre's talkpage.

Could you please guide me in the secret art of the floating smiley? (lower right corner)
Cheers, Jaakobou 23:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC) clarify 23:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Just add {{User:Cream/scrolling}} to your talk page, or-if you have one-header subpage. Sceptre 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Took me a little while to sort it out, but I think I got the hang of it. Thank you for the link. Jaakobou 23:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:City_of_Jenin_and_refugee_camp.jpg

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RfC on Elonka

Hi Jaakobou, I wasn't sure if you were aware of the RfC on Elonka WP:Requests_for_comment/Elonka but knowing your involvement in the al-Durrah article I was sure you would want to know. I hope this is not seen as canvassing, but I do think that those who may have a special interest in it should somehow be notified of it and I have taken it upon myself to notify a few people who are involved. Tundrabuggy (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit conflicted. I think ChrisO should have toned things down and can see where the sanctions have come from. On the other hand, I understand his concerns and even suggested shortening his previous ban. Right now I'm considering placing a support in the "civility" note by one of the participants but have yet to decide on committing to that action or any other action. I'm trying to avoid conflicts as much as possible (while still dealing with some content concerns) and lately it feels as though two-three editors are actively seeking to pull me in that ugly direction. To take the initiative myself and join a conflict -- which I'm not a very active part of -- might be a bad idea in my part.

Thank you for the notice, it's not really canvassing since I have tried to calm things down on the page and even made a few opinions here and there, esp. in regards to the handling of the dispute and the civility issues. If anyone accuses you of canvassing for this message, let me know and I'll explain my involvement and how this note is a fair notice.

Cheers, Jaakobou 16:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand your position. Thanks for sharing it.Tundrabuggy (talk) 10:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay; here is the clarification you requested. John Vandenberg 12:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Just want to say that I liked your recent thoughtful response about her role at Shahaf. Cheers. HG | Talk 21:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Another restoration?

Hi Jaakobou, I've found a couple of high resolution images of construction work in Tel Aviv, both taken during the 1920s. Seems like it would make a wonderful FP drive to restore photography of a UNESCO World Heritage site being built. Please contact me via Skype and I'll transfer the original .tif files. Best wishes, Durova 20:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to get to them sometime in the not too distant future. Jaakobou 19:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hematospermia

Venderdicken? Deliberate misspelling of my name, inserting 'dick' into the last part? I fail to see how most people would construe that as anything but insulting. Or childish, for that matter. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 16:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I realise why you'd attack a mispelling of your username but sadly, that's how I read it the first time around. If this error insults you so badly, you should consider renaming your username because Vanderdicken is very close to Vanderdecken. Try a look at WP:AGF while you're looking into WP:CIV.

Thanks. Jaakobou 18:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC) add link 18:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but why include it if you know it's offensive, other than to offend? I'm well aware of many policies and guidelines, including AGF and CIV, and I find myself straining at the bounds of AGF quite regularly. I do not claim to be a wikisaint, so would rather knock the odd wikitwat-end (not implicating you by the way, this is a minor disagreement compared to some of the scum that find their way to this site) down an entire ladder than be constantly meek. Sometimes it takes inhuman amounts of willpower to assume someone's being dense rather than annoying, however, "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." And I will not rename myself, as you will find that Vanderdecken is a perfectly legitimate Dutch name that I happen to like. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 23:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

If you feel Hanlon's razor helps you keep calm and avoid calling people plagiarists, then by all means consider it. However, charging forward with claims of malice and/or stupidity still seem like something non of us, you included, would appreciate. Keep in mind that someone on the other side of the keyboard is contributing his time to improve the project so it's best to ask before you shoot.

With respect, Jaakobou 23:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Semen

I urge you to work towards convincing people of the value of your pserspective, respecting other peoples opinions and generating consensus over edit warring. You quoted WP:BURO, I give you "Disagreements should be resolved through consensus-based discussion, rather than through tightly sticking to rules and procedures." You choose not to participate in the survey to seek consensus. I offer you WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND "Making personal battles out of Misplaced Pages discussions goes directly against our policies and goals." and "Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation. Do not insult, harass, or intimidate those with whom you have a disagreement."

You quoted WP:BOLD, from that I offer you "...but be careful. Though the boldness of contributors like you is one of Misplaced Pages's most precious assets, it is important that contributors take care of the common good, or at least that they not edit recklessly. However, any changes you make that turn out badly can be reverted, often quite painlessly. It is important not to be insulted if your changes are reverted or edited further." and also "On controversial articles, the safest course is to find consensus before making changes".

You quoted WP:COMMON, and from that I offer you "Invoking the principle of ignore all rules on its own will not convince anyone that you were right"' and "However, ignoring a rule or editing in such a manner as will cost another their time is generally, incivil and unprofessional"

Building consensus means workign with other editors. Expressing your opinions cogently to convince them of the value of your position. Forcing your way and disregarding other peoples opinions with reasoning such as WP:BOLD and WP:BURO would be directly contrary to that. Atom (talk) 03:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Please tell me you see the macabre humor in using "please stop edit warring" in an edit summary of a revert? Color balance is tweaked in images all the time, judging from everyday discussion at Misplaced Pages:Featured pictures. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing controversial about improving the white balance of an image.. because you complain that the colors are off. To be frank, you're ignoring community input and acting like you own the article. Not EVERYTHING demands discussions and polls before you make the edit and there's a point where common sense kicks in. Jaakobou 13:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC) clarify. 13:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Graphics lab

{{Graphics reply}}

Gave a reply. Jaakobou 20:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Israel and Apartheid

I ended up reverting this, since you cut the article off in mid-link - I'm guessing that wasn't your intent. But, please tell me to go to hell if I screwed up. Thanks! UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 00:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

...and you got it. Thanks, UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 00:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• Jaakobou, greetings. As you may know, Ryan has removed the POV tag that you placed on the article (putting on instead a tag on the 1st section). I've objected firmly and he has defended the removal. Whether I'm right or wrong, since you placed the tag and presumably have your own opinion about POV tagging, you may want to weigh in here. Feel free to support section-level tag(s) if that is your best judgment. Thanks for your consideration. HG | Talk 20:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Feedback

Yep, I read them (yesterday). It's much faster to leave me messages on my talk page. It seems like analyzing those AfDs is more time consuming than the participation in the first place.  :)

I've looked at more of your AfDs, and have left comments on my talk page.

By the way, are you looking for something interesting to do?

It's sort of like travelling all around the world, and involves various wikitools and wikimethods.

If you'd like to join our team and help, let me know.

The Transhumanist    22:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Not enough hours in the day to allow me joining on that project. :) Jaakobou 23:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Minutes add up. Besides, it's easy, and fun. Right now, we're doing a lot of "blue-linking" - creating redirects so that redlinks turn blue. Could sure use your help. The Transhumanist    01:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Bakri

Once a court case is settled, I don't think there's any need to go into the details of what the opposing parties said before/during the case. He was sued, and he was acquitted - that's all there is to it, and we don't need to restate the defense's case. Canadian Monkey (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It's basic information about the film. There's room to rephrase it possibly, but a compete removal does not contribute to the project. I do agree that the section about the film is ridiculously long and should be trimmed to possibly two paragraphs. Jaakobou 23:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The film has its own article, and this information might be relevant there. It is an unneeded level of detail in biography of the person. Canadian Monkey (talk) 23:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You should probably move it to the talk page then for future reference. I for one believe that the note about Feldman being his counselor is also pertinent to Bakri's article and not only the film article. Jaakobou 23:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the link

Yosef.garibaldi.gmail (talk) 19:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC) yesher caph vav khet :) and shalom eleichem.

thanks for your help

Thank you very much for your editing help. Problem(s) solved! :) Cristixav (talk) 19:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

La Princesse

Ooh thank you!! Roisterdoister (talk) 08:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You are clever. I have put it in the article - much better!! Roisterdoister (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)