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Music Project

Hi. I don't know whether you remember the discussion about the Music Project in July? I've now put the template up for deletion here? Thanks. --Kleinzach 23:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Bach

Hi Eusebeus -- Florestan here -- thank you for your backup on that article. I had just now, in the last ten minutes before you posted, pulled a weighty pile of books from my shelf to provide quotations from minor figures like Donald Francis Tovey, Nicolas Slonimsky, and Richard Wagner ("Bach is the most stupendous miracle in music") to back up the five theses nailed to our talk page door. I wonder if I'm wasting my time. The sky still appears to be blue, but the scholars aren't putting it in exactly those words. Maybe we need to rewrite the lead as follows: "Johann Sebastian Bach (1685 (cite) - 1750 (cite) ) was a German (cite) composer (cite) of the late Baroque era (cite). Scholars such as xxx (cite) and xxx (cite) thought his music wasn't bad (cite). He played the organ too (cite). -- OK, I'm glad I wrote that: I'm no longer irritated: I'm laughing. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Florestan! Oh that was funny! Do you remember the argument that erupted when JSB went through the good article process? It was mighty similar to what you are saying above. Anyway, I have been running my fingers through Kinderszenen this morning, channeling the inner Eusebeus more than usual and so was happy to intervene again. I have posted to the Composers project page asking for wider input. Eusebeus (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You've got mail. -- Yes, I like the way they handle it on fr: and de: too, and yes I remember that shocking scene at GA (wasn't there someone who had never heard the term "musicology" and regarded that as a special badge of pride? And yet thought himself qualified to assess the article on matters of content? -- oy.) Been playing (badly) the slow movement of Beethoven's opus 106, which, when properly considered, makes conflicts here look miniscule and amoebic. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 22:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
(Butting in) I think things will ease up at some stage when we get some form of show/hide switch for inline refs. Funny, but I can completely tune them out. I had a similar argument with Tony about bluelinks; he considers them in numbers problematic for reading prose, however, I have really tuned them out too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
(to Antandrus) Oh now that's just fucking impressive. Inspired, I tried the same but admit I gave up at about mm 88 as simply too much. But I think you are more the musician than I am. You know that is a VERY interesting movement. If you consider the phrasing, it is SO full of nuance. For example, right at the beginning, the decrescendo at m5 effectively acts as a fermata (even though none is indicated) - but just try playing it in tempo; much the same obtains throughout the movement. Anyway, I am blessed to be in contact with two editors (yes, that means you too Casliber, dammit, don't let it go to your head!, and btw I have some good stuff about the garbage patch to add in) who are so bloody talented. This is why I remain here. Honestly: thanks. Eusebeus (talk) 03:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I confess, I have had too many dishes on the stove, although I don't think I have burnt or ruined any just yet...I do recall some talk of moving the name of GPGP to EGP via an email or somesuch. Would this still be prudent? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

major depressive disorder

I decided to do an article with more gravitas than the usual FA fare, and gravitas it has in buckets...all 130kb, luckily it has under 50kb of prose. It has recently had a high colonic by delldot and looks the better for it. I have gone goggle-eyed at it and am aware of the likelihood of oodles of glitches in the mammoth prose. I as wondering with your aptitude for succinct prose whether there were any ungainly bits that needed a good massage. PS: This is a good example of an article which needs citing to the hilt, all it needs is some antipsychiatry (or pro-psychiatry or god-knows-what-well-anyone-with-a-difference-of-opinion-to-me) person to come along and raise hell. have a look at the talk page and history of schizophrenia for a good chuckle...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

My impression is it is not too far off (though I am square/goggle-eyed from looking at it). I wasn't high on my list of to-do items, but several editors began improving it in earnest, so I decided to take advantage of the synergy/conflux/concursus/whatever and tried to work it into an impromptu collaboration. Won't know whether it will have worked until after a successful FAC but I am cautiously optimistic, though dread taking such a behemoth through FAC without every attempt to clean up as much as possible. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind, so bigmouth astute observer whose contributions and opinion I value, has pointed out some content issues we have to address before copyediting really...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

carrots rather than sticks

I suspect you see a fair few pages in your wiki-travels and I know you have a bit to say on the depth of coverage of cruft vs. encyclopedic material. In efforts to counteract systemic bias with sticks rather than carrots (and seeing what non-obscure stubs remain out there), i have listed a minicompetition of sorts here, so I'd be intrigued what comes up. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

India House

Here's something that your touch and skill with copyediting succinctly may be able to dislodge some issues at a second unsuccessful attempt at FAC. I was asked to have a look and was impressed at the subject matter I had hitherto been completely unaware of. I can copyedit but tend to dicker around a bit, whereas you have a talent for really being able to appraise 3-4 sentences and summarising very succinctly very well. If you are too snowed never mind, but I did think that a bit of finesse copyediting could see this through. Anyway, see what you think and how you're travelling timewise. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I did a quick drive by on the first four paragraphs. It needs a rewrite top to bottom - luckily the raw material is quite good so the copy-editing is not too burdensome. But as with many FACs the article is a bit long, so it will be a time consuming process. I know absolutely nothing about the subject, so I regret I can only contribute whatever prose skills I may possess. Eusebeus (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Weird, eh? The things one reads about on WP...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. I now know what Manga means for instance. Ok, you should probably comb through my copyedit and reove any infelicities I have left behind. Eusebeus (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
If I can, weekend chores are mounting and I have just merged the obviously synonymous werewolf and lycanthrope, and there is alot of spring cleaning to do there!! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
PS: I was not aware that early 20th century Indian scholars were into manga...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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