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ScienceApologist (fourth)

• ScienceApologist (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 128.59.169.46 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 128.59.169.55 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

Code letter: B Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist

ScienceApologist strongly appears to be logging out to avoid scrutiny, make incivil remarks and to edit war. This is a violation of their ArbCom sanctions.

Accidentally logging out can happen, but when a user has an account restriction, they need to own up to it when pointed out, and then need to add their signature to claim their edits. This has not happened here. Jehochman 15:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

• Look at and and Jehochman 22:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• See and and These are not exactly revert, but this looks like ping pong being played by SA and the IPs on two different occasions, on two different articles. Note that the IPs are very closely related. Jehochman 22:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Results

Ok thanks all... The additional background is helpful. In my view this additional background, and the diffs Jehochman provided, amply justify running a check, if taken on merit alone. And I have done so, and I have the results of the check. You all may hate me for it but I'm choosing not to reveal it at this time. Some other CU may disagree and do so but in the interests of de-escalating this, that's what I am going to do. ScienceApologist, for the love of all that is good in the world would you please not edit while logged out. Ever. Because you are leaving a trail of IPs that strongly point to you. Everyone "knows" they're yours. I'm not going to confirm or deny that these particular IPs are or are not you, this one time. Don't make me come back to this page for case #5.  Declined in the interests of harmony. ++Lar: t/c 23:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

NOTE: I have removed much of the discussion of this request, leaving only the initial request, and my findings. The removed material is visible in this revision. It is my judgment that the material presented did justify running a check. This removal was done in the spirit of a "Courtesy blanking". ++Lar: t/c 11:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

ScienceApologist (third)

• ScienceApologist (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• LOGANA (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Code letter: B

Evidence: See ANI thread. User:Sandstein has suggested that LOGANA (single purpose account, now blocked) had repeatedly reverted to ScienceApologists preferred version of an article. This is a credible accusation of sock puppetry. I request a check to establish whether there is technical evidence of a connection between the accounts. Jehochman 06:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Technically  Unlikely; same (very large) city but different residential ISP as well as other features that fail to match. Thatcher 11:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I believe this was a Joe job. Can you identify the responsible party? Jehochman 19:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Nothing obvious. Thatcher 04:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

ScienceApologist (second case)

• ScienceApologist (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 74.63.84.70 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

• Code letter: B
• Supporting evidence: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/ScienceApologist (3rd)

There have been concerns express that an opponent of SA may have used open proxies to frame ScienceApologist. The most recent sock of that user is Queue Pea Are (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). It has been suggested that a checkuser may reveal information, such as user agent, that could potentially confirm the sockpuppetry of ScienceApologist or the abuse of open proxies to frame him. Vassyana (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I am trying to see how I can help, but there is not much CheckUser can say. Both Davkal and SA use the same user agent, at least on some of their internet connections, so that couldn't help tie the proxy to one or the other. There's nothing else really telling about the proxy, either, or anything interesting about SA's recent IPs. The one piece of information I uncovered was Monkey See Monkey Die (talk · contribs) and Niet Comrade (talk · contribs) are both Davkal sockpuppets. Dmcdevit·t 00:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

ScienceApologist

• ScienceApologist (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• PouponOnToast (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

• Code letter: B, F
• Supporting evidence: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/ScienceApologist

There appears to be possible block evasion starting Feb 14, 2008. Any use of an alternate account by ScienceApologist would violate the account restriction from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist.

We have a suspected sock puppet report with credible evidence, but it would help to have a checkuser opinion. Jehochman 03:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I'm very doubtful, and have explained why in a comment at the SSP report. If a check is run, it might surprise me, but it would be a significant surprise. GRBerry 05:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

An accusation was made. There is at least some evidence. The easiest way forward is to get a technical opinion to help dispose of the accusation. Jehochman 05:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the joined contributions of the two accounts , they are very consistent with a pattern of logging out of one account and then into another. I would agree that a check is warranted here. WjBscribe 05:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Potential area of overlap here:

1. 2008-02-12 17:49:40 by PouponOnToast (hist) (diff) Caney, Kansas (Undid revision 190939262 by Phlip888 (talk))
2. 2008-02-12 17:49:11 by ScienceApologist (hist) (diff) Talk:What the Bleep Do We Know!? (→Here's a better version - r)
3. 2008-02-12 17:48:49 by PouponOnToast (hist) (diff) Real estate investing (rewrite (mostly cut))

—Whig (talk) 06:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I know that a simple statement in such matters is rather worthless, but I do know that Poupon is not SA anymore than s/he is me.--MONGO 10:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Have to agree with Mongo here (I've been waiting like, forever to say that). It is highly unlikely that POT is SA. R. Baley (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

But now we are dealt with PoT's "retirement" --

"Obviously, I'll keep using the sock that I'm certain the checkusers found to go right on rvving and creating isoteric articles on things I find out about in my daily travails - and I'll use that sock as opposed to some other one so that the next time I find myself tempted to edit anything controversial at all " Seicer (talk) (contribs) 17:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

diff for the quote Seicer is quoting. Diffs are always a good idea when quoting... GRBerry 18:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

 Unlikely - Alison 07:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

 Deferred another checkuser for second opinion here - Alison 09:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

ScienceApologist and PouponOnToast are  Unrelated. With respect to PouponOnToast,  CheckUser is not for fishing Thatcher 01:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)