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External links

There is nothing on the pages you linked to that indicates the link you keep deleting is inappropriate. I feel your suggestion of getting someone else involved was a good one. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 03:37, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

listed at the wikipolicy page Misplaced Pages:External links.

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shrimp farm

Heya, while it's true that shrimp farm has been getting a lot of vandalism and newbie tests, this is pretty much par for the course for pages featured on the main page. Generally this isn't considered a bad thing, as these tests are often people's first step into getting aquainted with wikis. I've taken the liberty of unblocking, hope you don't mind. Don't worry, hundreds of watchlists are keeping an eye on this article. --fvw* 18:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I should have known this. I've seen this before. I don't open the main page much lately. mikka (t) 20:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Me neither, I just sort of guess based on what's getting lots of test edits ;-) --fvw* 20:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Korolyov

When I was moving him from Sergei Korolev to Korolyov (I checked how he is spelled in Britannica and the media first), I accidentally moved to Sergei Korolyov instead of Sergey Korolyov, as I beleive I should have done, and created a redirect from Sergey Korolyov to Sergei Korolyov on the way by accident. I think Sergey Korolyov is more correct but I cannot move the article there because an entry is occupied. This issue is trivial enough IMO, that it should not require a formal vote at WP:RM. Could you just delete the redirect at Sergey Korolyov yourself and move the article there? Or should I submit it to WP:RM despite the issue seems trivial? Thanks, --Irpen 02:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Please vote on list of lists, a featured list candidate

Please vote at Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of lists of mathematical topics. Michael Hardy 20:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

commons:Image:Belarus solidarity16 banner.gif

I doubt that this image is PD. At least source site should say this explicitly. --EugeneZelenko 02:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Whatever. I don't really care much. I doubt that these guy bother about copyrights either. mikka (t) 16:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

lists of computer graphics and computational geometry topics

Hello, I noticed you added three lists List of combinatorial computational geometry topics, List of computer graphics and descriptive geometry topics and List of numerical computational geometry topics to List of lists of mathematical topics. They seem to be pretty short and overlap a lot, would you agreee to combine them into one big list with sections (I can do it)? Probably List of computational topics in geometry and graphics. I think it would be easier for both readers and editors. Samohyl Jan 06:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

ROSTA

Hello, I just wanted to commend you on your excellent choice to add to the ROSTA article, that's a great illustration of agitprop -- but I'm very interested to know what the Russian text says. Any chance you (or someone you know) could provide an english translation in the caption for that image? That would be even more excellent. :) Eaglizard 13:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, just superb! Your transliteration itself is exemplary, and really captures the spirit of the subject (imho). Hurry up and join the strike team of exemplary labor, indeed! Could we propose that as a slogan for new editors? <smile> Also, your notes are very insightful and useful. Thanks for making Misplaced Pages more wonderful! Eaglizard 17:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Not all agree with you <frown>. mikka (t) 04:30, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Wendish dragon

One more article about Slavic dragons... How many national dragons do we need? --Ghirlandajo 14:23, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

-phobia

Why did you remove all of my additions to the article -phobia? — JIP | Talk 21:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

интеллигенция

Are you sure that the term intelligentsia "is a borrowing from Russian language", not from Polish "inteligencja" ? I thought it was brought to the West by Great Emigration after the November Uprising and later, in course of the Spring of Nations ... --Wojsyl 07:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

All the etymologic dictionaries I was able to consult cite it as a Russian word. Ir entered English first in a negative context associated with the revolutionary activities of the so-called nihilists. If borrowed from Polish, it would be inteligencja not intelligetsia, of course. --Ghirlandajo 14:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Pan-Slavic colours

The flags of Poland, Bulgaria, Yamalia, Taymyria, Evenkia and whatnot are now listed as having pan-Slavic colours. Do you think it's alright? --Ghirlandajo 14:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

World Trade Center/Plane Crash

You deleted this article in Sept due to invalid chars in the title. It contained the original entries made on Sept 11th about the Sept 11th attacks. As a result, the earliest entries now accessible in WP are those of December 2001 on September 11, 2001 attacks, which are mostly links to now deleted pages. So, we cannot see historical info about how people thought of the attacks when they first occurred.

It is also part of WP history, since WP was created in 2001 and the Sept 11 attacks are one of the main events of 2001. Right now, anyone researching 2001 on WP could not determine if an entry was made about the attacks at the time they occurred. (It was, within approx 1hr of the first plane crash, and the content, as I recall it, reflects the dawning reality that they were terrorist attacks)

I think historical reference should take precendence over syntax considerations in the case of this specific article. I notice on your user page you log the history of your own contributions to WP - as I have on mine, so you have an appreciation for WP history.

As a solution, I propose that either the entries are moved into the history of the regular Sept 11th article, or that the deleted article is restored. I first viewed World Trade Center/Plane Attacks in Oct 2004, but I cannot recall the link I followed to reach the article, it might have been via some discussion, or via a search. There is no obvious link, so moving the entries to the standard page might be a good overall solution.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks much for promptly restoring it (oops!, I didn't sign original above) - Rye1967 20:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Wiki Humor

So how do I safely do humorous things on Misplaced Pages? In other words, how do I without breaking policies? --Shultz 21:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Allow me to answer that: http://uncyclopedia.org/ --MarkSweep (call me collect) 06:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Debate Page

A link was added in the debate page, and you reverted it. (Link was High School Debating Forums) Explanation. TDS 20:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

-phobia

I'd turned them into redirects because that was the consensus on WP:RFD. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 02:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Lusophobia

I'm writing an article on this now. Lusophobia is used in English, though not as much as Lusofobia in Portuguese, particularly in a Brazilian context - I will do a Portuguese language version of my article after I complete the one in English.

Quiensabe 20:47 UTC 2005-10-30

St. Volodymyr's Cathedral

Please check the history and talk of this article. I reported the behaviour at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Repeated_wholesale_removal_of_info_from_St._Volodymyr.27s_Cathedral too. The problem is that vandal is inventive to avoid 3RR by making small modification each time. Should he be blocked? --Irpen 06:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. May I ask that you to keep an eye on the article. 3RR rule needs modified to accomodate the sleeky small changes, I think. --Irpen 06:26, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Maryam Rajavi page

Dear Mikkalai,

how are you? Do you have some tools to block IP addresses from editing pages? I think that this possibility should be created and used. For example, two most recent edits of the Maryam Rajavi page were from islamic fundamentalists connected as generic anonymous IP addresses - the first erased the page completely and the second one wrote that she is an anti-Iran terrorist. ;-) I believe that this semi-locked status would help at many other places, too. All the best, Lubos --Lumidek 14:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I understand you can block IP addresses. What I meant was to block all IP addresses for a given article. Tx, Lubos --Lumidek 18:23, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Links to disambiguation page

Dear Mikkalai, as far as I know, links to disambiguation pages are discauraged. It's advised to link the appropriate articles directly. (See, for instance, Template:Disambig). Why did you reverted my corrections?--AndriyK 09:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Btw, your Russian friends are so buisy removing Belarusian apelling from Smolensk article. Why don't you help them? ;) --AndriyK 09:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

List of Masons

You'll have to decide for yourself the character of the page I recommended and Lightbringer dis-recommended. After all, there's no particular reason you should care what I have to say. :-) --SarekOfVulcan 17:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. -- mind if I swipe your new comment link?

revert wars and vandalism

Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Andrew_Alexander and Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Repeated_wholesale_removal_of_info_from_St._Volodymyr.27s_Cathedral. This attack of Ukrainian nationalist is getting on the nerves. --Irpen 17:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --Irpen 21:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


Nice edit on Slavic peoples

I couldn't put it better myself. 72.144.68.54 02:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Learningly challanged :-)

For your question of "Why am I using Easytimeline?"; I have problem in text, basicly I'm challanged. I'm dyslexic and it is easier to understand things in graphics for me, there are %16.76 of American public school studnets that is same as me. I would like to learn your country's stats on this very very important issue. May be, I hope, that it will give you an understanding what I'm doing. During that time, I will create a seperate page, and link it under the main page for you to develop your text based timeline. Hope this will make you happy. If not, there is a another method, I can develop this page with a different name and give the rest to you.--tommiks 15:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

4 U there is no need to inject text that is already in the page. I told you before, A PAGE of RUSSION EXPENSIONISM is no issue for me to fight on. I belive its consequences are more dire for the people who fall into its propaganda, and then lived its consequences. And remember! Ottomans let these people live their culture, all the governers for sanjaks were originating from them. If they were unhappy, a big chunck of its their own missery. Just read the pages under the wikipedia, and you 'll see how they react towards the "House of Ottoman". It is sad that they ignore 300 years of their own life, just to deny improvements gained by Ottoman period. There are european states, even today, that do reject the Turkey's demand to produce index of Ottoman Cultural Heritage.--tommiks 15:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

VANDAL is Mikkalai, YOU ARE AN ANTI-ROMANIAN ANTI-SEMITISM VANDAL!!!!!

MIKKALAI YOU ARE AN ANTI-ROMANIAN VANDAL STOP NOW! YOUR FACE IS IS LIKE A KGB SPY! WHY ARE YOU EDITING LIKE AN ANTI-ROMANIAN? YOU ARE A POLISH KGB! IT IS NOT GOOD TO BE ANTI-ROMANIAN! ROMANIA IS GREAT; ROMANIA WILL WIN!

Being so anti-romanian and anti-semit is not good for your helth Mikkalai mikka. Good to see your picture mikka you are now in the database of the activists of the anti-romanian order. You will pay for all.


mikka (t) 19:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Mikkalai, you may want to sign on to Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34. This appears to be one of the sockpuppet IDs of the same person. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Mikkalai you are an IRREDENTIST and CHAUVINIST Communist ANTI-ROMANIAN plus ANTI-SEMIT VANDAL!!!!!

you want to change the borders of Romania and Moldova, you all the time come and delete the lines of Romania in Moldova site. For your knowledge in Moldova are living Romanians in case you didn't know you KGB activist and communist! you are an IRREDENTIST and russian gay and spy! go to change your site not that of Romania and Moldova you fucking eye-glass!

Atharis

Why did you leave merge notices to merge Atharis with Asharite? Sunni Islam makes it clear that these two are alternative movements in Islam, not synonyms. I didn't find any Athari material in Asharite after Yuber redirected Atharis to Asharite. Art LaPella 01:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry. My weak eyes. Confused "Ashari" and "Athari". mikka (t) 03:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the correction. Art LaPella 03:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

liberal vs strict interpretation of 3RR

Hi, in case you missed, I would like to draw your attention to the recent discussions at User_talk:AndriyK#User_blocked followed up at User_talk:Robchurch#3RR. The latter link is an interesting policy debate. I thought you might be interested. --Irpen 18:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Japanese cruiser Kuma

I'm confused. Why do you think that Japanese cruiser Kuma is not a historical article? User:Caerwine seems to agree that military ships are historical (see his edits of Agano class). Neier 22:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Dechronification

Hi. I thought you forgot about the article. How did you remember to go back to Dechronification? Also, I've seen you around before. How do you keep "following" me everywhere, and have enough time to remember an insignificant user like me, even though you have many other articles and users to take care of?

Dechronification is also fully endorsed by Ray Kurzweil, and "Death Is An Outrage" (essay/article on aging and dechronifying) is found at http://www.kurzweilai.net, which is one of Ray's sites. See how notable Ray is? Please, read about him.

Thanks.

--Shultz 21:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages usage and editing embodies a new "paradigm of internet usage" for me. I haven't actually edited in a Wiki before so since I'm just learning the ropes on so many aspects of this, I'm "immature" in this field. Just like I was immature in the chatrooms a long time ago, and I'd make remarks that got me in trouble, but I've matured in that aspect since then. Don't worry, I'll soon grow out of it. I trip as I go along, but I learn as I go along also by learning where not to step over next time so I don't trip again. --Shultz 03:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages then. Don't be alarmed or insulted of other folks watch your contributions while you learn the ropes and mature to our community. SchmuckyTheCat 21:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Ukrainian SSR

Please explain, if you don't mind, at talk:Ukrainian SSR why you called the text you removed as a "POVish and irrelevant derogation". It was derogation of who or of what? And how was that irrelevant? Thanks, --Irpen 02:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Response to Copyright Warning

In response to your warning about my inappropriate use of a copyrighted image: I apoligize I was under the impression that the website I had taken the image from had a free for use for any purpose policy, one of your colleagues has already informed me I was mistaken. I will be sure to be more careful when uploading images in the future.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg (talk) 08:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Russophobia

Could you look on the page ? Right now it makes even Partitions of Poland seem a reaction to Russophobia :) Not to mention it doesn't seem to source any of the various serious claims. It also lists Serbs, Orthodox religion etc.Both of which fit into other articles (leaving aside if they are true or not). --Molobo 16:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Explanation

Hi Mikkalai,

Now that the AfD squabble is thankfully behind us (at least for now), I would like, with your permission, to try once again to explain my reasons directly to you, in a friendly, non-hostile, non-sarcastic way (if at all possible), hoping that you will want to give them some serious consideration.

First of all, I have to clarify that my primary concern was not -- believe it or not -- the preservation of the List of country names in various languages, but rather of the other lists you had initially included in your AfD (quoting from your original AfD: "This also concerns List of European regions with alternative names, List of European cities with alternative names, List of European rivers with alternative names, and others."). While these additional referenced lists were removed from the AfD by Halibutt on 2 November 2005, my focus remained on those. Why I was primarily concerned about those other lists will hopefully become clear in the paragraphs below.

Let me begin with an example, which may at first seem extraneous, but is in fact extremely germane. Suppose you wanted to know the etymology of the English word algebra. What would you do? You would of course look it up in an etymological dictionary. That is precisely what an etymological dictionary is for: to answer that kind of question. You would find that it is a word of Arabic origin. However, suppose your question was not "What is the etymology of algebra?", but rather "What words are there in English that have an Arabic origin?", a very, very different question. At this point, you will agree, an etymological dictionary would be of little use. What you need is a list. Sure enough, the Misplaced Pages does have precisely such a list: the List of English words of Arabic origin. (There are also a List of English words of Sanskrit origin, a List of English words of Portuguese origin, and possibly others.)

I suspect you are beginning to catch my drift. Why is it useful to have such lists as Names of European cities in different languages, List of European rivers with alternative names, List of European regions with alternative names, and others? Precisely because it is extremely unusual, in the universe of all city names, river names, region names, etc., in the entire world, for these to have such multiple names (exactly in the same way as it is unusual for English words to be of Arabic origin). You don't believe me? Consider the map of any country, Britain, for example. While London has a variety of names in foreign languages, there are thousands of place names such as Acton, Brixton, Croydon, Kilburn, Luton, Paddington, Tottenham, and so on, that don't. While Cornwall has a variety of interesting names in foreign languages, most English counties don't, e.g. Essex, Middlesex, Sussex, Norfolk, Suffolk, and so on. Ditto for river names. And it would be exactly the same if you considered the map of France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Russia, Spain, you name it.

In order to use a dictionary (such as the Wiktionary) to find the foreign-language forms, you would have to know a priori which forms to look for, i.e., you would have to know already which place names have foreign-language forms. But how can you know that in advance? In other words, the purpose of these lists is to answer questions such as: "What European cities have alternate forms in foreign languages?", "What European rivers have alternate forms in foreign languages?", "What European regions have alternate forms in foreign languages?", etc. These are all very different questions than "What names does Paddington have in foreign languages, if any?" (which you can look up in the Wiktionary), but those are precisely the questions that linguists, historians, toponymists ask. Why? Because the fact that a city has a multiplicity of foreign-language forms has great historical and linguistic implications, and it is the responsibility of the linguist, the historian, and the toponymist to study the reasons why that happened.

Unfortunately, these lists have been abused in a way. They have become very long and they now include place names with, say, just the standard form plus maybe one local dialect form, or the Latin name, or something like that. Those examples are clearly not as interesting. However, if you scan through the lists, you will immediately observe which names have a great variety of forms and focus on those for your analysis.

The case of List of country names in various languages is somewhat different, because now virtually every country in the world is included in that list. But that was not the case when that list was started. When the list was started, it did not include tiny states such as Andorra or San Marino, or new country names, such as Zambia or Zimbabwe. It included primarily old European countries, whose variety of foreign-language names is truly staggering and very hard to explain or make sense of, even for the most proficient language historian (just consider the foreign-language names of countries such as France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Russia, and several others). Then, users kept adding and adding. And how can you draw the line and say: "No, don't put Andorra in there, because it is not very interesting"? You can't. But, again, the list is useful, because, with a little patience, you can still identify the most interesting cases, in the sense that I have explained above.

In conclusion, my main point is: These lists answer a completely different type of questions than the ones that are answered by dictionaries, such as the Wiktionary. I hope I have explained my reasons for opposing the deletion of all those lists. I suspect that precisely the same reasons were in the minds of all the other users who voted to keep them, whether they were prompted to do so by me, or not (as I repeat, at least eight or nine of the keep votes were from people I had never heard of, and had not contacted).

Thank you very much. Pasquale 20:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Детский фольклор

Привет! Я тут вспомнил, что в русском юморе есть такое направление, как детская страшилка. Что-то типа:

Девочка как-то купаться пошла. В среду нырнула, в субботу всплыла

Я спросил у сантехника Петрова: "Почему у вас на шее провод?" Но Петров ничего не отвечает. Только ботами тихонько качает.

И ещё кое-что о национальных стереотипах:

Недавно на корейский язык была переведена повесть Тургенева "Муму". В корейском переводе название книга звучит "Ням-ням". --Untifler 08:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

John Blenkinsop

Apologies for disagreement over railway locomotive.

According to the Encylopaedia Britannica online John Blenkinsop was the inventor of the first succesful locomotive.

I beleive there should be some emphasis on this.

Thanks

Dehydration

I'm not sure that just pointing that paragraph to Drying was an improvement, especially since Drying doesn't yet exist. Drying (food) exists, but that paragraph talks about more than just food. --Syrthiss 21:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

lol ok. My apologies :) --Syrthiss 21:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Fascism in Russia

Mikka, I didn't think enough and f..ed up the page moves. I first wanted to move Fascism in RU to Nationalism in RU and later realized it was a bad idea. Afterwards, I was moving it back but accidentally moved to it Fascism in Russia in Russia nonsense name. Now it can't be moved to the original name. Could you please delete Fascism in Russia redirect and move this article back to its place. Sorry for not being careful enough. --Irpen 04:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

John Blenkinsop

I don't understand why you removed the link to the encylopaedia Brittanica which adds credibilty to the page?

And alo is you are going to revert edits please have the courtesy to expain why. Otherwise it just comes accross as arrogant. --195.93.21.4 21:52, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Please get yorself a name, if you want to talk or use the artile talk page, Talk:John Blenkinsop.mikka (t) 21:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:Freddy

I don't understand what you mean. Could you further elaborate your point? -- Jerry Crimson Mann 16:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Ce inseamna asta?

De ce ma-ti blocat? Pe cine am insultat eu? Pe dracul ala de om scarbos care spune minciuni despre neamul nostru? Si ce mare lucru i-am spus? Ca un edit de al meu este egal cu 10,000 de al lui? Asta este insultare? Pai uite ce porcarii spune el! Plus ca ma-ti amenintat ca daca repet din nou, ma blocati indefinitiv. Aveti voie sa faceti asa ceva, asa cum vreti dvs?

Eu nu va inteleg. Ori sunteti cu dracii aia de rusi, ori cu noi. --Anittas 21:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Nici eu nu va inteleg. Nu aveti dreptul! Bonaparte  talk & contribs

Moldovan vs. Romanian

Look at the history of Moldovan language. It started out as a redirect to Romanian language. Why? BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE. It started out as a redirect, and it should've stayed as a redirect. Preacher King of Mao 22:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Please don't engage abruptly into things you evidently don't understand. mikka (t) 23:07, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
There's a revert war going on. One of the versions is POV, one is factionally inaccurate. The entire thing would be better off as a redirect. - Kookykman|(t)(c)
Don't make it a redirect because it removes people's work? So if somebody created an article that stated that 2 + 2 = 22, and hundreds of people worked on it, and contributed to it for 2 years, and I came along and put it up for speedy delete, we should keep it because dozens of people worked on it? Besides, the information is still there if they care to check the history. Preacher King of Mao 23:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Administrator abuse?

Hi Mikka. I don't know if you know me all that well - I'm an administrator at the Romanian Misplaced Pages, and I've been involved with negotiations at the Moldovan Misplaced Pages concerning its future. I must say I am a bit concerned at your use of blocking to stop an edit war. Now I know that Anittas, Bonaparte, etc, did act in a bad and quite incivil manner, but I think a lot of your actions and Node's actions were quite ignorant (i.e. multiple reverts despite constructive edits) and often provoked a lot of the outbursts. I have also found no reasons on a public log or anywhere regarding your block. Does en.wikipedia not have a structure for that? Because at ro.wiki, blocks are only done in the case of pure repeated vandalism or persisently-false and tendentious information after multiple warnings. We have a user who has defaced a page with propaganda 10 times, and is still not blocked. That is because, at least in my opinion, blocks are quite draconian. They represent everything Misplaced Pages isn't - repression of the opposition, hierarchy, etc. So, I'd just like to say - and don't take me in the wrong way - I think it's time to calm down a bit, be a bit more understanding and work together in constructive dialogue. Ronline 05:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)