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Evidence presented by User:Cberlet

Nobs01

19 August

  • 01:05
    • Nobs01 proclaims that after his superior edits I "crapped my pants" .

4 October

  • 23:41
    • Mediator requests that Cberlet and Nobs01 move discussion to mediation.

28 October - 4 November

  • varous times
    • Nobs01 walks away from mediation and returns to editing Significance of Venona which is one of the pages being mediated.

12 November --> 21 November_21_November-Nobs01">

  • varous times
    • Nobs01 turns the talk page for my Wiki entry Talk:Chip Berlet into a page full of guilt-by-association personal attacks.

13 November

  • 06:28
    • Nobs01 suggests that I am complicit in a terrorist underground, and is challenged by another editor.

21 November

  • 03:34
    • Nobs01 suggests that I am complicit in murder: "The murder of Richard S. Welch was the entirely predictable result of the disclosure tactics chosen by certain American critics"

(store for proper format and dating)

Cognition

Cognition uploads distorted image to entry on Chip Berlet after inserting POV into Chip Berlet

Herschelkrustofsky

After editorial content disputes with me, Herschelkrustofsky visits Chip Berlet to add negative material .--Cberlet 14:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Herschelkrustofsky, also suggests I am a government agent: "One of these editors briefly enjoyed, back in the 1980s, the status of being a cut-out for intelligence circles who were deployed against LaRouche; he has subsequently gone into well-deserved obscurity, and is now using Misplaced Pages as an attempt to relive his glory days." .

Same Spade

After editorial content disputes with Sam_Spade and Sam_Spade telling me "I suggest you chill the fuck out" I seek mediation Sam_Spade visits Chip Berlet to add negative material --Cberlet 14:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

After editorial content disputes with me, Rangerdude visits Chip Berlet to add negative material --Cberlet 14:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


Evidence presented by User:Rangerdude

Self Citation

Cberlet frequently self-cites his own political and editorial writings in Misplaced Pages articles and does so without disclosing he is the author.


WP:OWN Violations

Cberlet attempts to exert ownership and content control over articles about himself at Chip Berlet and his organization Political Research Associates. He frequently refers to these articles as "my article" or "my page"

  • 03:39, 3 August 2005 - Post entitled "Help! Giant Blob of Horowitz hit my page" calling for critical material by David Horowitz to be expunged and reduced to a single link on the Chip Berlet page.
  • 13:14, 28 September 2005 - Post on Political Research Associates implying an attempt to control its content - "We have discussed this problem at PRA, and we feel this situation needs to be addressed"

Political and Personal Attacks

Cberlet often makes highly venomous political attacks in his comments on Misplaced Pages. These include attacks on both conservative figures and on what he supposes to be the political affiliations of any editor who criticizes him.

  • 16:37, 28 September 2005 - "So far we have had this page taken over by...fans of a small uber-libertarian think tank the Ludwig von Mises Institute." Attack on other editors who added material that was critical of PRA)
  • 16:37, 28 September 2005 - "The critics of PRA quoted include...David Horowitz, who acts as the carnival geek of the ultraconservative political right." (Political attacks)


Evidence presented by User:Nobs01

29 July

  • 20:14
    • nobs issues good faith proposal at User talk:Cberlet (declared as such) to resolve "a myriad of disputes", including "the persistent vandalism that now is occurring on the Venona project page itself."

3 August

  • 19:42
    • Cberlet denies nobs access to prescribed dispute resolution process,
      • "Please carry out all contact with me through the talk pages of specific articles. I have no interest in continuing to engage with you outside the actual editing process. Messages left here will not be responded to."
        • Applicable Precedent Statement of Principal
          • users who are in conflict talk to one another on their respective talk pages
  • 20:12

15 September

  • 09:57
    • Cberlet solicits User:Bk0 for "Input welcome".

16 September

  • 01:41
  • 01:42
    • In a personal attack subhead entitled ==Nobs has once again misrepresented sources in his espionage paragraphs== Cberlet charges nobs with "misrepresentation", "inaccurate", "biased", and "false"; Cberlet extracts,
      • " 'The following were members of the Victor Perlo Network". That statement is not qualified as "According to Elizabeth Bentley", or 'Elizabeth Bentley has alleged', etc.", says " this is a misrepresentation. " ; changes basis of this argument in Mediation Dispute Summary Workshop

20 September

  • 14:09
    • Cberlet uses banned sockpuppet troll to deliver parsonal attack ; states,
      • "Sometimes Nobs simply deletes the fact that some of these people denied the charges "; uses edit summary to deliver personal attack.
  • 19:57
    • Having been denied prescribed dispute resolution proceedures, Cberlet responds to nobs public request to substantiate Berlet's smear against Wilcox; Cberlet responds with another personal attack against nobs, "harrassment".
  • 21:40
    • nobs quotes User:SlimVirgins identification of banned sockpuppet troll, the same user Cberlet is in regular communication with , who called nobs "xenophobic", and inserted material from the neo-nazi IHR cite into the Harry Dexter White article, exhorts Cberlet to initiate RfM so this matter can proceed to RfArb.
      • nobs reversion was to the language of Prof. Roger Sandilands , the original author of the article .

24 September

  • 21:43
    • User:Hob posts on User:Cberlet's talk page,
      • "I started that RfC to try to draw some more attention to the situation, from editors who hadn't already been embroiled in it, some of whom might be able to engage with Nobs & you on the actual content issues - which I can't really do, because of my lack of familiarity with the sources."
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Statement(s) of principle states,
  • Requests for comment and requests for arbitration should be used appropriately within the guidelines on that page. They should not be used for frivolous or pointless disputes and should not be used as a forum for personal attacks, harassment, and abuse.

2 October

  • 20:24
    • nobs responds to personal attack by User:Bk0
      • "No comment."

Evidence presented by {Travb}

current edit

  • current edit

I stumbled upon this article Chip Berlet which has been a point of contention between the parties and it reads like a resume. I have never seen a single other wikipedia article start out with the entry: "resume".

I am an impartial neutral person, I am not invovled with any of these people, nor their arguments.Travb 00:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


Evidence presented by User:Herschelkrustofsky

Misleading constructions in Cberlet's complaint

16 November, 2005

  • Revision as of 14:37, 16 November 2005
    • Cberlet posts misleading purported evidence (diff), claiming that it indicates that "After editorial content disputes with me, Herschelkrustofsky visits Chip Berlet to add negative material." He cites as evidence this diff from June of 2004, an edit by User:Bcorr, which followed an edit by me. Compare with my actual edit:
  • Revision as of 14:26, 16 November 2005
    • Claiming that "Nobs01, Cognition, Rangerdude Herschelkrustofsky work as team regarding LaRouche and Chip Berlet," Cberlet cites this diff, a message from Cognition asking that I visit an article where (s)he says (s)he is being "stalked by Chip Berlet and Adam Carr." He omits my response (see diff) on Cognition's talk page, where I decline to do so.
    • Claiming that "Nobs01, Cognition, Rangerdude Herschelkrustofsky work as team regarding LaRouche and Chip Berlet," Cberlet cites this diff and this , two messages from Nobs01 where he requests that I vote his way on a VfD. He omits my response (see diff) on Nobs' talk page, where I decline to support him on this matter.

Evidence presented by {Cognition}

These charges are frivolous and outrageous. I want everyone to know what this is really about -- attempts by the pawns of Imperialism to smear the LaRouche Movement and anyone else who opposes them. Berelet is motivated by his paranoid hatred of LaRouche, the most prominent supporter in our nation of the Whig tradition American System following great statesmen such as Henry Clay, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Berlet follows Theodor Adorno's lead in his nihilistic revolutionary hatred of this system. He was a key writer at High Times Magazine, making him an important media player within the stoner drug subculure. My best guess is that continued exposure to the dangerous mind-destroying effects of marijuana caused him to take such bizarre opinions about LaRouche. You know what they say about abusers of that drug and paranoia.

The British Empire is the most evil system ever known in world history, and the system which formed the kernel of the web of current Nietzschean masters of the world -- the Synarchist International. It is a worldwide Satanic Roman Empire, a leech feeding off of the misery of oppressed peoples, a genocidal parasitic Beast. It's little known among most Americans the role Britain's East India Company played in subverting the initially republican French Revolution into the Reign of Terror (in a bid to prevent any rivals from emerging on the European continent), or similarly how British Inelligence won for the Queen's financial networks control over the United States, and, at its most demonic, molded the counterculture of the late 1960's to ruin an entire generaion through drugs and pagan sexual ethics. Chip Berlet is a chump-level player/pawn in the stoner elite of the New Left 60's drugs-youth-sex-rock counterculture, a decay upon our civilization which at its height enjoyed such luminaries as the Charles Manson-supporting Weathermen and junkie hack John Lennon. Berlet can be seen as an unwitting agent of British Imperialism. If you follow his latest work, he inevitably spends most of his time atacking the anti-imperialists of the left and right alike, anyone who dares to speak against the Bush-Blair-Sharon axis and their Neo-Conservative cabal providing their ideological basis for continued war on the entire Islamic World. For a poser "rebel," Berlet is the best friend of the Cheney-Bush regime when it comes to the targets he chooses to smear. He can be seen as a low-level bully propagandist in the service of the Neo-Cons, making absurd allegations against anyone who dares to raise certain questions.

My name is mentioned in this case, but the evidence is enormously weak. The edits I have made on wikipedia have all been in keeping with the site's NPOV policy.

Chip Berlet is a 5 cent thug in a long-range Aristotelian network, an evil, Venetian-based clique which has found its most demonic individuals in men such as Bertrand Russell, the advocate of nuclear genocide; Adolf Hitler, a perverted figure of anti-christ calibre who was installed into power by British bankers; and the Beatles, generals of a literal "British Invasion," doped-up zombie devils whose atrocious personal lives matched the Satanic musical presentation of their pop songs.

The world economy is on the brink of imminent collapse, as meanwhile the Cheney cabal still lusts at the prospect of an invasion of Iran. Berlet, a small-time Goebbels, does their bidding by attacking their most critical opponents. For the world to be saved from catastrope, Mr. LaRouche's brilliant proposals to restore Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and make peace with the world working hand in hand with all nations on Great Projects to bring prosperity to everyone must be adopted. Berlet's intense attacks on the LaRouche movement and on myself as an individual are tantamount to hateful attacks on humanity itself. The moral messages of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam should guide us in our choices and lead us to reject the wicked example of Synarchist International and thwart their maniacal plans for apocalypse. Chip Berlet must not be appeased by this committee.Cognition 22:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)