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Australia?

If you're from Australia, why are you exclusively interested in Baltic affairs in Misplaced Pages? Offliner (talk) 08:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

And by "exclusively", I take you mean "also interested in France, Karl Marx, contemporary Russian politics, Finnish weirdos, South American international relations, elections in Ukraine, and genocidal madmen from Balkan". ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 08:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

So what? Your buddy Russavia claims to be from Australia too, why are you not questioning his exclusive interest in Russian affairs in Misplaced Pages? Or is there something about him you are not revealing? --Martintg (talk) 20:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm only asking because it might be interesting to know. Tasmania is quite far away from the Baltics, so maybe there is an exciting story behind your interest. Maybe you're a Baltic emigrant or studied Baltic history at the Uni? Of course, you do not have to answer. Offliner (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
As far as I know he is as just much an Australian as Russavia is ;-). And Martin's userpage says he's an engineer, so he's unlikely to be Estonian philologist. You note for example, that I am, on the other hand Estonian but write mostly on topics concerning Russia. Misplaced Pages is good place for people with some very specific inetrests :D --Miacek (t) 18:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Offliner, if you want an exciting story, the grand parents of a girl I knew were ethnic Russian refugees, from Narva in fact, who fled the Bolshevik terror of 1917 eventually arriving in Australia. They would spin in their graves to know that young Russians such as yourself seemingly attempt to white wash the heinous crimes of Bolshevist Russia. Martintg (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Estonia–Indonesia relations

 Done. –Juliancolton |  14:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Owlcam has finished

The owl family's four chicks have hatched and left the nest. Today, Estonian Ornithological Society has finished the owlcam project.

While active, the site drew 2.9 million visits from 128 countries. . ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 10:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

significant views

Hi, Martin. What exactly makes Oleg Platonov's views "significant" on the Baltics? What about Mr. Platonov in regard to his being a "significant" source? PasswordUsername (talk) 00:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Oleg Platonov is notable (he has his own Misplaced Pages article), and viewpoints that can be attributed to notable people are thus significant enough for inclusion, with regard to due weight. Please read the relevant policies on NPOV. --Martintg (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Alright. PasswordUsername (talk) 02:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

SPI

 Clerk note: As per my earlier note to the case, your addition to the case did not constitute evidence regarding sockpuppetry, but consisted of allegations about the motives of certain parties to the case, and has been reverted. In accordance with SPI process, I must now ask you to cease contributing to the case. Mayalld (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Eastern Bloc

Don't want to make a huge deal about this, but there is an effort by a group of editors (usual group acting there, though in fairness they would dispute that) at the Eastern Bloc article that, as a result (with every iteration) dumps any map in the Lede depicting the USSR's SSRs. This includes deleting the Baltic states SSR depictions, which is why I figured that I would drop you a note given your interest on the region. I'm not sure how you come out on it, but my main reason for including them is that the article discusses the USSR's SSRs, thus it is helpful information, and it is within the EB. The discussion is on the Talk:Eastern Bloc‎ page.

I left Peter V, who appears very knowledgeable and familiar with the major sources on Baltic-related issues of the period, a note, and I figured that I would drop you one as well. If you're interested in the topic and period, you might want to throw the article on your watchlist as it draws a fair number of edits because of its breadth of scope.Mosedschurte (talk) 07:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Martintg,
I second Mosedschurte. I invite you to leave some comments on the Talk:Eastern Bloc regarding the map of Eastern bloc and related issues. I realize that our points of view do not coincide (and sometimes even are opposite), so it makes your point of view a fortiori valuable for me.
With respect,
--Paul Siebert (talk) 16:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
To be honest I have not formed a particular viewpoint on how this map ought to be presented, so I don't know it I can offer anything useful. It seems me to be a matter of style. As to Paul's conviction that our viewpoints do not coincide as a rule, I find that rather intriguing. --Martintg (talk) 06:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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Discrimination

Fresh news from the discrimination front: . Google translation at .

This is the very "fellow countrymen" organisation Kremlin has set up after the Bronze Night. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 08:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

If they want the same status as Estonian citizens, why didn't they get Estonian citizenship in the first place? The mind boggles. Martintg (talk) 10:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The "foreigner fellow" status appears to be some sort of separate but equal construct. But I might be misunderstanding something. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 11:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, unfortunately the "activists" while complaining of apartheid, when it comes down to it, advocate for apartheid as they want all the benefits without making the commitment and without integrating into wider society. My mother had to learn the language and had to pass her history exam to become a U.S. citizen. Not her choice, just the rules. It's not too much to ask for, by any country, to request a demonstration of that basic level of commitment to the country one calls home. (Russia has a set of rules and circumstance which make applying for citizenship almost impossible, BTW.)
   The majority of self-identified primary Russophones in Latvia have long been citizens; that there's a some massive issue in Estonia or Latvia is an increasingly untenable position as compared to the facts. (Not to mention WP:OR contentions of discrimination quoting news articles where new Estonian citizens are proud of their accomplishment!) PetersV       TALK 14:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Except when Russia thinks it can benefit from the citizens, as in South Ossetia. As you recall, Russia made it very easy for ethnic Ossetians to get Russian passport there, while Kokoity made it very hard for them to travel to Georgia to update Georgian passports, and even, strange as it may be, to travel to ethnic Georgian settlements in South Ossetian areas. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 16:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I think your comparison is flawed. Your mother obviously wanted to go to the US. Baltic Russians had no choice. Besides, having to learn a world language such as English is a completely different thing from having to learn a small, obscure language such as Estonian which will not be useful to you anywhere outside Estonia. If you were forced to live in the Central African Republic, would you be willing to learn the local language in order to integrate, or would you prefer to stay within the zone of the American expat community and speak only English? Offliner (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
As you recall, very few countries have been issuing visas into the alien passports. So, citizenshipless people in Estonia and Latvia have been living in these countries for twenty years, never going overseas for a visit. Are you for real? I mean -- suggesting that people who never travel outside their "small, obscure country" being concerned about "world languages" brings the favourite quote of Ebenezer Scrooge to mind. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 16:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Since last year, Russia has been discriminating against citizens of Estonia and Latvia by way of requiring higher visa fees from then than from non-citizens. Maybe this a similar ploy? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 16:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Another interesting indicator of discrimination is that not only did Russia offer its citizenships to former USSR citizens rather freely in 1990s, but Russia has been actively inviting Russians to move to Russia. I mean -- Russia has been offering to cover the moving expenses and pay some money to Russian people who used to live outside Russia and are returning to Russia, because Russia is concerned about aging population and depopulation. It would be interesting to see how many people have taken up this chance to leave the countries where they're being discriminated against. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 16:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it was actually the Kaliningrad oblast that the 'compatriots' were invited to (hardly an improvement compared with Kohtla-Järve or Lasnamäe) ^_^ --Miacek (t) 10:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
There were many immigrants in the early 1990s, but in my personal experience, they were mostly from Kazakhstan. Colchicum (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Chile–Estonia relations

This page has been nominated for deletion (again). I'm notifying you per WP:CIVIL since you contributed significantly to the article.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Estonian SSR as a birthplace

Hello - could you advise to us here? -- Sander Säde 14:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Estonia–Luxembourg relations

Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Misplaced Pages article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)