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Population history of Egypt - the language issue

Hi there. I have a slight concern stemming from your comment on your edit, to the effect of work being needed on the language section. This section is only relevant to the extent that it sheds light on the population history of the people, it is not a detailed article about the languages themselves. Please discuss on the talk page. Thanks Wdford (talk) 12:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Wdford,

Probably more details should be given to the Ancient Egyptian language itself; or at least the scripts (as I am doing now). I didn't say they weren't relevant but that would be like having a section dedicated to the Spanish language full of details about Romance and Latin languages with nothing about the Spanish itself. -- FayssalF - 12:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, I agree with you and that's why I am working on it trying to reduce it and keep the main points. -- FayssalF - 12:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

OK - that makes sense. Thanks for the response. Wdford (talk) 12:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Omar Sharif and Youssef Chahine

Fayssal: Thanks for protecting the article. Please do the same with Youssef Chahine. Omar Sharif had been mediated till the cows went home on its Talk page by Admin Sancho. The problem can be summarized in Admin. Sancho's statement: "Even the leap from "Sharif's parents were Lebanese", to "Sharif is of Lebanese descent" is going too far in an article about a living person." Omar Sharif and Youssef Chahine are both Egyptian citizens whose parents may have had Lebanese origins of some sort or may have been immigrants to Egypt. Sancho had laboriously and very methodically mediated Omar Sharif's article and he found no support for any Lebanese reference to be made about Omar Sharif... He made the statement above, that his parents origins could NOT be extended to him. This is the version that Sancho had ended with. We do not want to go this whole process again. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Arab cowboy you are a disrespectful person first saying that I was nonsense, then saying Im a tribal Middle Easterner and now calling me a cow? Do you know how to have a discussion in a civil manor. I am sure the administrator will judge fairly so please do not sit here and make problems. Youssef Chahine does have Lebanese origins, this is verifiable, his father was Lebanese, his real name is Gibran Sawaya. His father was an immigrant to Egypt. And Omar Sharif real name Michael Demitri is also Lebanese by origin. His parents were Lebanese immigrants to Egypt. The only thing Egyptian about Youssef and Omar is the fact they were born in another country that is not their country of origin. His parent's origins are his origins as well. So we do not need to say his father was Lebanese but instead Youssef Chahine is of Lebanese origin. Or instead of saying Omar Sharif's father is Lebanese that Omar Sharif is of Lebanese origin. This is the truth. No Lebanese reference to be made about Omar Sharif LOL...Michael Shalhoub is clearly a Lebanese name. And Sancho did say that you should make a reference to his origins as being Lebanese. I can also point that out. Lebanese bebe (talk) 14:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Harrassed bebe, please provide evidence with quotations from me where I said that you were nonsense and a tribal Middle Easterner. You distort my words as you distort everything about the articles you wish to discuss. The proof is up here on this page. You falsely claim that I called you a cow when there was no mention of you at all in the whole paragraph. You seem to enjoy being insulted that you are doing it to yourself! Please do not waste my time. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 06:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I love Lebanese and I love Egyptians. In fact, I love everyone :) Incidentally, I've always thought that Omar Sharif's parents (not him, he's an Egyptian) were either Lebanese or Syrian but that has been my personal belief which has no basis since I had no sources (just hearsay). Now, what's the deal, guys? My advice (well, all admins would tell you the same story) is to look for reliable sources to back up your claims. I am directing this specifically to Lebanese bebe because the burden of proof lies with the editor who adds or restores material. You need to bring a solid reliable source. Otherwise, you better drop it.

To help you both, guys. http://omarsharif.netfirms.com/articles.htm is not a reliable source at all. According to Misplaced Pages:RS we only publish the opinions of reliable authors. Now, Lebanese bebe, could you please start basing your edits on real reliable sources and avoid using websites hosted for free (netfirms.com!!!) as reliable sources? You could easily back up your edits with stuff like the ones I've just found... Come on guys, don't be lazy!

• <ref>{{cite book |last=Cooper-Chen |first=Anne |title=Global entertainment media: content, audiences, issues |series=LEA's communication series |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=gb8Bkmq5254C&pg=PA93&dq=Michel+Dimitri+Shalhoub&ei=ZFKESsHFPKXCywTI9sXaDQ#v=onepage&q=Michel%20Dimitri%20Shalhoub&f=false |year=2005 |publisher=Routledge |isbn=0-8058-5169-0 |pages=93 |quote=Hamama starred with an unknown Syrian-Lebanese Christian, Michel Dimitri Shalhoub }}</ref>

• <ref>{{cite book |last=Darwish |first=Mustafa |title= Dream makers on the Nile: a portrait of Egyptian cinema |year=1998 |publisher=American University in Cairo Press |isbn=9-7742-4429-X |URL=http://books.google.com/books?id=GwBlAAAAMAAJ&q=Michel+Dimitri+Shalhoub&dq=Michel+Dimitri+Shalhoub&ei=ZFKESsHFPKXCywTI9sXaDQ |pages=31 |quote=Omar al-Sharif (1931- ) Omar al-Sharif was born Michel Dimitri Shalhoub, to an Alexandrian family of Lebanese descent. }}</ref>

Now, you can just copy and paste the above reliable sources and put the issue to rest. Can I unprotect the article now that you can see clearly what reliable sources say? Ok guys, matter resolved? -- FayssalF - 18:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Fayssal... all that you say makes sense. I have the most reliable source, Omar Sharif's own autobiography, The Eternal Male. I have a hard copy of it. The issue here is that I have been through this whole process on Omar Sharif's Discussion page before. Each and every word related to his origins was subjected to very close scrutiny by Admin Sancho. Sancho's decision was what I stated above, that there's no reliable evidence that Omar Sharif was anything but Egyptian. Sancho's concluding statement was: "Even the leap from "Sharif's parents were Lebanese", to "Sharif is of Lebanese descent" is going too far in an article about a living person." It is still on the article Discussion page. Obviously Lebanese bebe is new at this; she's making hilarious claims, including the claim that she lives in the USA, because if she really did, she would know that "till the cows go home" is an American expression that means that the matter was discussed to its conclusion. It had nothing to with her being a cow or otherwise, and she obviously insults herself and attributes the insults to others. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 22:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fayssal, please see this interview with Omar Sharif: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYD0LTKaFc4&feature=related. At Time 11:30, he says, "I've never changed my passport. My passport was always Egyptian." Period! --Arab Cowboy (talk) 17:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Arab Cowboy, "I've never changed my passport. My passport was always Egyptian" is something which relates to him as an individual. That has nothing to do with his ancestral origins which is the subject of your editorial dispute. -- FayssalF - 14:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Fayssal, the article is about Omar Sharif as an individual, not his ancestors. This was the conclusion of the previous mediation by another admin on the same article. In addition, we have already stated that he belongs to a Lebanese-Egyptian family, so, what is the subject of the dispute now? --Arab Cowboy (talk) 11:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Omar Sharif was born Michael Shalhoub in Alexandria, Egypt to Lebanese-Egyptian Catholic parents. I hadn't seen that sentence! -- FayssalF - 14:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Mythdon proposal at ANI

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AfD nomination of Rachid Sbihi

An editor has nominated the article Rachid Sbihi, which you created, for deletion. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Rachid Sbihi. Regards, Qwfp (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)