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Sarandioti

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Report date September 13 2009, 04:52 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

• Alarichus (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Evidence submitted by User:Athenean

• User:Alarichus begins editing at 03:36 on 20 July 2009 , immediately prior to Sarandioti receiving a month-long block from User:Nishkid64 for disruptive behavior at 03:20 on 21 July 2009 . His very first edits show that Alarichus is highly knowledgeable about Misplaced Pages editing, including how to add references in proper format. This alone indicates that Alarichus has almost certainly edited before, although it does not prove he is Sarandioti.
• Even stranger, when Sarandioti was blocked in the past, he protested loudly , issuing multiple unblock requests every time , as further evidenced on his talkpage. Yet after his last block, nothing. Complete radio silence, not even a peep. Sarandioti has not edited even after his block expired except for 2-3 edits on Aug. 25..
• Sarandioti has stated that he lives in Greece , and the time-signature of his edits is consistent with someone editing in Greece's time zone. It is also remarkably similar to the time signature of Alarichus' edits .
• Alarichus claims he is not from the Balkans, but his passionate subscription to and defense of the Albanian POV in a recent TfD debate is suspicious (namely, that the term "Northern Epirus" is irredentist and should be avoided at all costs) . He is also strangely intent on pursuing vendettas against the same users (Factuarius, Alexikoua) that Sarandioti was . This is very perplexing.
• Alarichus' style of writing is highly reminiscent of that Sarandioti (accusatory, aggressive, somewhat condescending). Examples below.

• Short, successive, accusatory questions: S A .
• A perplexing inability to capitalize the word "Greek" under any circumstances, even though other words in the same passage are duly capitalized: S A .
• Ending with posts with statements to the effect of "This is sad" or "This is disappointing": S A .
• Telling other users to "wait until this process is over": S A .
• Admonishing users not to write until process X is over: S A .
• Statements to the effect "Sure, if anything comes up I'll...": S A.
• Statements to the effect of: "And please stop commenting on me": S A .
• Telling people to go to his talkpage instead of "here": S A .
• Telling other users "you do not understand what I said": S A .
• Sarandioti is a stickler for spelling, always going back and fixing the spelling of his posts, as does Alarichus: S A .

Alarichus' tone and style particularly in the ANI and TfD discussions sounds very much like Sarandioti to me. --Athenean (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I am no one's sock. I joined on July 15, 2009. Read the guidelines, then started contributing. All these claims saying that I am a sock are based on my spelling or anything else which is irrelevant. I have 1 ga and 8 dyk. Everybody in the irc knows that I write from a dynamic ip, which changes all the time and so it wouldn't surprise me if it got in someone's ip. Everybody knows that I have edited from many ips. If I have 4 commons ips in over 80, its not really a fact for anything. And I find it a bit suspicious that User:Factuarius whom I suspect for sockpuppetry didn't file this by himself. Was it because he would be checked? Just asking.

Conclusion:I have 4 ips common with someone in over 80 ips I have used, I commented on one discussion in which another user is interested once, in 900 contributions with gas and dyks. My ip in the irc is public at all times, and many people even know the hotel I'm staying in Athens. So, I leave it up to you. --Alarichus (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other users

CheckUser requests

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Checkuser request – code letter: F (Other reason )

Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.

Although based on the above, I am fairly certain that this case passes WP:DUCK, a checkuser would be useful in proving this beyond any doubt. While Alarichus has not broken any rules per se, and Sarandioti is not evading a block and entitled to multiple accounts, I believe this is an attempt by Sarandioti to deceive the community about his checquered past and is as such unacceptable. --Athenean (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 Confirmed This case is rather complex, but I am certain that these two users are being controlled by the same person.

The facts:

• Both of these users are editing from the same range, a /16 (which is 65536 IP addresses).
• These users have the same operating system, but there is no overlap with user agents.
• This IP range is crazily dynamic - Both users have edited from well over 70 separate IP addresses.
• These accounts have four IP addresses in common. That is, there are four IP addresses that both users have edited from.
• On three of these four, both accounts have edited within 4 hours of each other.

I find the odds of two completely distinct people, who both have the same interests, the same ideals, and who have many of the same characteristics and style of diction, editing from the same IP address at practically the same time on three separate occasions to be extremely low.

And when you take into account how incredibly dynamic the IP addresses are, and couple it with the fact that any account on that range has access to more than 65000 IP addresses, I do not think there is any room for doubt that these two accounts are being controlled by the same person. J.delanoy_adds 06:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Conclusions

• Open SPI cases