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This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. The Arbitrators, parties to the case, and other editors may draft proposals and post them to this page for review and comments. Proposals may include proposed general principles, findings of fact, remedies, and enforcement provisions—the same format as is used in Arbitration Committee decisions. The bottom of the page may be used for overall analysis of the /Evidence and for general discussion of the case.

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Socionists are independent of their field

1) socionics-related articles should observe only that some socionics have done studies on estorism.

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Despite having reviewed the statements and evidence in this case, I don't know what this means. Please bear in mind, in presenting evidence and workshop proposals, that the arbitrators may have little or no previous familiarity with the issues in the case. The issues need to be presented to us more in laypeople's language and with appropriate references to the evidence. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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Professionals are independent of their fields

2) When academics do work on esoterism in the context of a non-esoteric discipline, it should be cited only that people in the field has done such work; the field as a whole should not be labeled "esoteric" or considered as such by Misplaced Pages. This principle should be codified as either a guideline or a policy.

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Please explain the reasoning behind this proposal, using everyday language accessible to arbitrators without scholarly background in the disciplines being discussed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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Socionics is not esoteric

1) Socionics is not esoterism nor is it related to esoterism at all. Socionics is only similar to esoterism in as far as both alchemy and the socionics theory on information metabolism are works of pure categorical logic.

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It's not at all clear that evaluating the role of socionics within the fields of philosophy or psychology falls within the purview or expertise of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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Edits which suggest socionics is estorism constitute vandalism

2) Claims that socionics is esoterism (or has links to esoterism) constitute vandalism of socionics articles.

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I recommend two things: 1) prohibit rmcnew from adding anything about esoterism to the socionics articles or editing mentions of esoterism in them, 2) adopt DeLong's approach to documenting esoteric forays by scientific professionals as either guideline or policy. Tcaudilllg (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

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