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• First archive at User talk:Pakaran/Archive1 created 10 December 2003.
• Second archive at User talk:Pakaran/Archive2 created 21 December 2004.

Reply October 31st

Maybe not yet, but one day, she will :)

Balanced Ternary money system

(From Talk:Ternary)

There seems to be some confusion on the Ternary page.

Here is my understanding of a balanced ternary monetary system. In balanced ternary, you have digits that represent postive number, and digits that represent negative numbers. For example, 5 is represented "+--": 9 - 3 - 1. To represent five dollars in a balanced ternary system, one would have a nine dollar bill, a negative three dollar bill, and a negative one dollar bill. It's not balanced ternary unless we have some way of representing negative amounts. Well, if I had five dollars from having a positive nine dollar bill, and two negative bills, well I would just throw out the two negative bills and have nine dollars!

So, yes, either I'm hopelessly confused about this, or we will need to keep the above sentence in the article. Please clarify if I am mistaken somehow. Samboy 14:09, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I saw you rv'd my mod to the Randi article and then rv'd your rv. Just to let you know I am not Ennis. For a while Ennis sowed a bit of FUD about me being a troll and it caused a momentary confusion on the matter. I hope my record speaks for itself, but if you have doubts about anything I write, please feel free to msg me. --Cchunder 18:27, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

amfetamine

I went ahead and moved Amfetamine back to Amphetamine since that's the common spelling here in the US and gets far more Google hits. No offense. Pakaran (ark a pan) 05:03, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well thank you for letting me know. Wikiproject_Drugs has a policy on the naming of drug pages and "common spelling here in the US" is not part of the policy. I posted on the amphetamine talk page that I was going to move the page, with a pointer to the project page, so that anyone who disagreed could raise any objections. The International Nonproprietary Name is amfetamine. I will move the page back there and I'd appreciate it if you'd leave it there. Matt 05:14, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Libertas

Thanks for dealing with this. I'm holding off on doing anything further to see if s/he continues this kind of behavior after being unblocked. I've already been through the whole RFC/ArbCom thing with Chuck and Reithy (Libertas might be a sockpuppet of the latter), and would prefer to forgo the hassle and aggravation if at all possible. RadicalSubversiv E 06:05, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

OS

I'm on a iMac (Mac OS X (10.3.7)). Since it's more-or-less Unix-based, I'm surprised if it's too different from Linux...but I suppose it may be more natively Unicode-friendly, which may be the reason I had some success. - Nunh-huh 22:16, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Blocking

Recently, you blocked me for a period in excess of 24 hours, for breaching the three revert rule. I concede that it appears that I did breach this rule.

You asserted that I had been warned about breaching the rule and that I ignored the warning. You further asserted that I was a long-time user. Neither of these assertions is true.

Given the political orientation you profess on your user page, I am concerned that you did not exercise your authority correctly.

I would like to inquire as to the following:

1. How did you become aware of the breach of the rule?
2. Have you ever blocked someone before without warning them?
3. What interaction do you have with those editing the Soviet Union or Russian articles?
4. Why did you block me for a period in excess of 24 hours?

Please respond promptly.

Libertas

Warning

I was certainly not warned until after the changes were made. Check the timing. Once warned, I made no further changes. While no excuse, I was not aware of the rule and was certainly not told about it until it was too late. It is my responsibility to read the rules, of course.

However, I am told on IRC under the Blocking policy it is customary to warn "vandals" twice.

No one even suggested I was vandalizing anything. Far from it, I was making an entirely sensible change to an article, which some on your side of politics seemed not to like.

Again, I ask you whether you have ever blocked someone without warning them? Presumably the process of warning involves 1) warning 2) an opportunity to comply with the rule or persist in breaching it and 3) penalty. You exercised your authority quite wrongly in that context.

I also ask whether you review your 24 hour blocks or whether you rely on them to automatically expire when the system for that seems not to work. I sent you an email about this and received no reply. This excessive penalty compounds your original error.

Libertas

172 is in breach of the orders of the ArbCom, please let me know if you wish to know more and would consider blocking him. Libertas

Call for AMA election

AMA Member Advocate,

There's a poll currently in the AMA Homepage about making a new AMA Coordinator election. Please, cast your vote there (though it's not mandatory). Any comments you have about this, write it on the AMA Homepage talk page. Cheers, --Neigel von Teighen 18:43, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Greetings

Greetings; stumbled upon your user page after running across some talk page comments. Wanted to point out a typo, since I don't know how you feel about others editing your user page: "singularitarian" rather than "singulatarian". (I'm a extropian with leanings that way myself.) Also, it gives me an excuse to say I admire your work. Mindspillage (spill your mind?) 18:20, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Greetings!

Did you take a look at this page?

Another greetings!

Are you going to expand the article Free Kingdom of Misplaced Pages or any other articles in this page?

Hello?

Any comments?

More greetings!

I made this page.

Inspiration

Glad to have inspired you. Ironically and otherwise. Fully support your opposition to Perpetual motion. - XED.talk

EFF machine cost

Hi! Wasn't the cost of the EFF's DES-cracking machine a little less than US$250,000 ? — Matt Crypto

See http://cryptome.org/cracking-des.htm and search for "project was budgeted". It was $210,000, which is closer to 200K (but, of course, "under 250K"). I'm not going to start an argument over it, though. Pakaran 17:10, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for the link. — Matt Crypto 17:55, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

On a tangent, I notice that SHA family lists the alleged SHA-1 break, which has yet to be published or receive formal review (Schneier notes in his blog only that the paper "looks good" and has reputable authors). Do you think we should make it more obvious that this is an unconfirmed result? Also, what algorithms have little in common with the SHA family and aren't already broken, in the event that this is an issue? Scneier says that SHA-1 is now broken as a hash function for signatures, but breaking signatures involves finding a collision with one of the few possible hashes that have been signed, not finding a collision on any hash - am I missing something here? Pakaran 17:39, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm asking at least somewhat out of personal curiousity, I'm considering studying crypto in grad school. Pakaran 17:40, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right: it would be good working practice to make clear that the result is only "hearsay" at this point, and hasn't even been made public yet. (I think Adi Shamir also mentioned the break, and this team is reputable, so it's unlikely Schneier's wrong). I've heard people suggest Whirlpool (hash) as a replacement algorithm that doesn't use the MD-x/SHA-y/RIPEMD-z structure. There is a reasonable concern that you can use collisions in nasty ways with digital signatures: if you create a collision X and Y, H(X)=H(Y), and convince someone to sign X, then you've forged a signature for Y as well. Of course, in practice X and Y would have to take on a certain form for this to be of any practical benefit to an attacker — but that would very much depend on the specifics of the collison-finding method. (And the attack that you can do with the brute-force method that's listed on Birthday attack might not be possible.) Re: grad school — cool! Where and what are you thinking of studying? — Matt Crypto 17:55, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'd be studying at the Rochester Institute of Technology for an MS in computer science. I'll probably go elsewhere for my Ph.D. for financial reasons, they have very few assistantship options at RIT. As regards the first remark... the problem is first of all storing the hashes you're saving to match on this. And yeah, birthday attack assumes that you can find collisions equally well on anything. If you have to come up with large numbers of message variations to find one that hashes to something your collision-finding method works on, you've got a problem right off the bat. Pakaran 18:01, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yeah; my hunch is that we're a long way off from having any interesting practical attacks made possible by the recent hash function breaks. But, of course, migrating to better primitives is still very prudent — better to be conservative about security. Re: RIT -- would it be research or taught-course? Myself, I'm part way through a PhD (in cryptography) at the University of York, but it's going a lot slower than I'd hoped. My only advice would be, before starting a PhD, to make sure you've genuinely interested in the topic. If my area wasn't crypto (about which I'm a little obsessive...) I'm sure I would have given up by now! — Matt Crypto 19:12, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Silesia

Nice work. Not just because I come from there ^^ (Lower Silesia, to be exact) but I do agree it's a wikiphenomenon worth of seeing... Greets! 194.145.96.66 18:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Spanish Translation of the Week

I would like to revive this project. I noticed that you've added yourself to the list of available Spanish-to-English translators. Are you interested in working on Spanish Translation of the Week? — J3ff 06:05, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User:Pakaran/Kingdom of Misplaced Pages

Perhaps you may want to add a WikipProject Countries infobox for your page to add some realism. It was great reading, really. =D

- Mailer Diablo 09:54, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yet more greetings!

Have I improved this page?

• Looks even better now. ;) - Mailer Diablo 11:29, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Yeah, thanks. - Pakaran 12:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Translations

• Did you know that in Korean The Free Kingdom of Misplaced Pages is 위키피디아자유왕국 or 위키백과자유왕국? 68.23.105.21 22:32, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Note: 위키피디아 is the transliteration of Misplaced Pages, but the translation is 위키백과.
• Can anyone check if 维基百科自由王国 means The Free Kingdom of Misplaced Pages in Chinese?
  • It's a, well, transliteration, though I don't see how it can be better done. 自由王国 is literally correct, but the "kingdom" takes on a children's storybook connotation of "kingdom" when read. Maybe 维基百科自由国 would be a bit better (literally, "Free Kingdom" -> "Free Nation"). Znode 05:38, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
• I think El Reino Libre de Misplaced Pages is the Spanish form of it.
• Also, Le Royaume Libre de Wikipédia would be the French form.
• Is Das Freie Königreich von Misplaced Pages the correct German form?

Even more greetings!

Hi. (That's all.)

Medical prescription

For the mixup between microgram and milligram, I couldn't find a reference for "unbelievably, deaths have resulted from pharmacists blindly following such a misreading". If you have a reference, I would love to put such a dramatic statement back in. Samw 02:15, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dividend tax

You probably hear about dilution most often with mergers where stock is swapped rather than new stock issues, of course with new stock issues control is always being diluted unless it is existing stockholder that purchase the stock. There is often a price drop in mergers, because generally a premium is being paid over what was the market price of the company being acquired. However, the executives and those stock holders that retain their shares generally agree that the stock is worth more because of some synergies or cost savings that will result because of the merger. Dilution is sometimes viewed by the market as an issue, however, I don't this necessarily being a topic for the Dividend tax article. Best wishes. --Silverback 18:36, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Holiday greetings!

Hi.

Bye.

Tolls are inefficient?

I saw your change on the Tax article, and thought you might want to reconsider. As a libertarian, I'm sure you've heard of the Cato Institute. One of their recent policy analysis had to do with the Federal Gasoline Tax. They concluded that a toll was a far better solution than the current system for paying for highways. If you're interested, you might want to check out the paper. --Fredrik Coulter 01:35, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

AMA Meeting Proposal

Hi! I put together a proposal for another AMA meeting that I'm hopeful you can chime in on. --Wgfinley 20:06, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Micronation Status?

Would it be appropriate to add this to the Micronations category? Dave C. 21:51, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Er, no :) Dan100 20:21, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Many of the Micronations are as tongue-in-cheek and more imaginary than the "Kingdom" of Misplaced Pages.  :) -- Dave C. 21:32, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nazarene Karaites

Can you look over what I just did (revert at Karaite Judaism) and read my rationale at Talk:Karaite Judaism and lemme know whether or not you think my action was justified? Tomer 21:12, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

re: 'the finger'

It is claimed by some that many might believe that certain people's edits are not entirely within some people's notions of a certain notion of Misplaced Pages policy!!

Certain people might say to some that certain others are believed by experts to perhaps say that it is possibly believed that such edits are not unanimously endorsed by many!

It is possible that certain some might by many perhaps some be possibly...urk! agh! ock!

(strangled by own intestine)

Some might certain of some believe that possibly perhaps!!!!! Auto movil 21:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! re: FairTax

Thanks for the compliment re: FairTax. I now have it on my watch list, and I'll make it even better soon. --Unfocused 23:20, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello, Pakaran/Kingdom of Misplaced Pages!

Jelou

Could you help us with this: Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Pakaran/Wikipedian political entities? - 68.251.209.191 23:16, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 04 June 2005

Since you entered the mailing list while the project was down, I assume that you wanted to be told when it was up. Well, it's up. Note that it is generally unreliable at the moment and if it doesn't work now you should check back in a few hours. r3m0t 12:22, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 08 June 2005

Version two-two released today includes in that green box a nice count of how many articles are left. This more or less co-incides with the event of hitting only 1000 articles remaining. Also, I have re-arranged the User:Humanbot page to make it easier to get to the right stuff. Progress charts, wikicookies, wikilove and a more thorough spelling check is promised when this is completed. (and also when the exam pressure eases off a little on me) r3m0t 17:40, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC) Note: If you think this message was too trivial for a mailing, tell me and I'll stick to more important announcements on the list.

New greetings!

Hello, 申忠容承和. - 68.72.129.171 02:59, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Newer greetings!

Hello, Pakaran! - 68.255.37.206 00:54, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 13 June 2005

The spelling2 project (to work on secondary namespaces) was opened and finished. Progress charts will be available soon.

Version six-three tracks who made the edits, and rankings are available. Much of the work was done while I was asleep, explaining my low place ;).

The next project, which may even be released today, will probably fix incorrectly capitalised headings, particularly "See Also" and "External Links".

The mailing list has grown to 24 people and while that is very nice for my ego, it is rather difficult to send out updates. This is why I did not send out a notice that the spelling2 project had opened. From now on, then, you must watch User:Humanbot/announce for updates. r3m0t 12:03, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

NPOV??

The article on Ayn Rand/Objectivism seems to have been written by people who are attached to her ideas - who else would even think of her except as an author, and a rather interesting one at that? But she was an egomaniac and wanted everyone to act the same way. Push, push, knock anyone else out of the way, scorn the poorly educated as they are lazy, scorn the poor as they must be lazy, scorn the liberals who try to help the poor - feeding beggars (even if they are children, I'd suppose) encourages more begging and less work. Scorn architects following classical lines (I agree they can be a bore, but does everybody need a Saarinen or I.M. Pei. ?) Anyway, if you can balance the article so as to be more neutral - go for it. Carrionluggage 05:29, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)(please excuse ID - I think I became roadkill under the wheels of an Ayn Rand queenly chariot.)

A viewpoint that is worth considering is that Ayn Rand, an escapee from under the Communist heel of oppression, like Edward Teller, lost her ability to deal with different philosophies or viewpoints equitably. Contrast Nelson Mandela, who suffered under the Afrikaners but emerged a great leader, pretty much free of punitive emotion or vituperation. Carrionluggage 28 June 2005 05:10 (UTC)

Order of the Arrow

Your recent changes to the Order of the Arrow article have been reverted. There is a discussion on that article's talk page of whether or not that information is appropriate in the article. A consensus has not been reached, I'd say, so join the discussion there. --Myles Long 8 July 2005 21:22 (UTC)

As the symbolic "no secrets in Scouting guy" on the article, I would like to thank you for your compromise on the safeguarding issue. For your information, the BSA has already released the four tests into the public through the National Fact Sheet (as I stated previous in the talk space) and I thought it was pretty much a bad idea to slap a spoiler warning box into the article for the main reason that the real juicy part of the Ordeal is not the tests themselves, but the learned lessons. Sleeping out under the stars was totally different for me than it was for you, and that's the real meaning I put behind my flap and sash, not the fact that I slept out alone, didn't eat a lot, didn't talk, and helped my camp out. Again, thanks. KC9CQJ 9 July 2005 00:48 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia

I notice your page The Kingdom of Misplaced Pages. Very funny. Perhaps you can put it up at Uncyclopedia, the free-er encyclopedia. -Hyad 06:43, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. It feels good to know there are people out there trying to make Misplaced Pages a nice place to be. – Quadell 02:17, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Dumblydore

Thanks for keeping a lid on the "Dumbledore is dead" crowd. We'll know for sure soon enough. Friday 20:17, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Libertarians

You don't have to oppose taxes to be a libertarian. Bkalafut 05:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

(Just saw your page at random, reverting a vandal's edit of something else)

Water

I'm a bit confused by your recent edit to Water. Is it not true that it's dangerous to drink too little while exercising? James 21:34, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

thanks again

hey, that´s a really funny article you have on Misplaced Pages Kingdom, made me smile.. keep up the good work. cheers... Antares911 20:28, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

wow you´re quick. just send you an email back...

just send you an email back again. thank you.

Rename

Hey, I've been trying to get a rename for a few days and it seems to take a long time. I don't know if its supposed to or not, but if it's not supposed to take a long time, will you help me out and get me renamed. Thanks for listening, bye. Misplaced Pages Username 22:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename Coolcat -> Cool_Cat_Cool_Cat-2005-08-08T17:07:00.000Z">

I would love to have this minor adjustment :) --Cool Cat 17:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)_Cool_Cat"> _Cool_Cat">

Renaming_Cool_Cat-2005-08-09T00:06:00.000Z">

I'm renaming you right now, just so you know. Pakaran 00:06, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, User:Cool Cat already exists... is there another name you'd prefer? Pakaran 00:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

That's my second account, sockpuppet. Which I was going to use for a bot but havent yet. --Cool Cat 00:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Opposed_Cool_Cat">

I have to say I have a long ugly story which I will not relate now involving mainstream medicine, which was eventually resolved using herbal medicine etc.

Perpetual motion does exist, if you consider the electrons moving in a superconductor to be perpetual motion.

Func's RfA :)

{{Pakaran:thankyou/foryoursupport|Func|RFA}}! :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e,  ) 18:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

RFA

I just want to thank you guys for considering me as a candidate. In retrospect, maybe I am a bit inexperienced, Ive only been here for a couple of months. Ill try to get a bit more experience and maybe Ill try again in a couple of months. Thanks again:)

Journalist /

Human Rights Servey on Misplaced Pages (The final post of I_sterbinski)

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