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"For the dancers to appear at once ridiculous – stop up our ears to the sound of music, in a room where people are dancing." Where this user currently is, the time is 17:55, Thursday 02 January 2025. This is the user talk page for AGK. You can also send this user an internal email. I have taken 68,260 actions on Misplaced Pages: 54,362 edits, 3,301 deletions, 2,661 blocks, and 7,936 protections. You are welcome to reverse any of them, except if my reason mentioned "checkuser", "arbitration", or "oversight".

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Thanks & a Question

Hello! I had been wanting to thank you for all the hard work you do behind the scenes. Then a matter came up that I wanted to ask your advice about, so I decided to accomplish two goals with one effort :)

• First, I did want to thank you. I have seen your good work repeatedly, most recently when I brought up a question on WP:ACN about a mistaken ArbCom decision announcement .
• Second, I thought I would draw on your expertise for a moment. I edited as User:Matheuler for several months. Recently, I went on wikibreak. During such, I lost access to my account. I really was not particularly attached to that account, so it was not any great inconvienience to start a new account to edit under. However, I did have some pages in my old user space that would be useful to me (namely User talk:Matheuler and User:Matheuler/adminship. Unfortunately, at WP:UND I was informed by an administrator that because I could not prove my identity as Matheuler, I would not be able to have this deleted page undeleted and moved to my new user space. (The administrator was very helpful and positive though, so I am not indicating incompetence on his part at all). In any event, I was wondering whether you could think of any way for me to access the pages in question (short of becoming an administrator :) ) I have since added redirects from the Matheuler spaces to my new user space, in order to avoid confusion. This is not a pressing inquiry, so don't respond in any hurry. Thanks for your time if you are able to respond though! —Finn Casey 05:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Finn. Thanks for your kind words. With respect to having the Matheuler pages moved to your new userspace, my general answer is that I would have to concur with the administrator who assisted you at UND: in the absence of confirmation that you and Matheuler are the same individual, it would probably not be appropriate to move the pages into your userspace. In place of a move, however, I have solutions that apply in the first instance to User talk:Matheuler and in the second to Matheuler's /adminship page.

For the talk page, I note that there are only forty or so deleted edits. With that in mind, I would say that losing the talk page's history should not be a significant loss to you. I would further note that most editors who begin editing under a new account (unless being formally renamed) do so with a clean talk page; I cannot recall any case where not having both talk page histories combined has hampered one's editing activities. Perhaps that's something that you could think about.

For the adminship page, I am quite happy to provide you with a copy of its deleted content (with the thinking that, in doing so, I am not violating copyright regulations or Misplaced Pages policy). You wouldn't have the history of the page, admittedly, but in practice the page would look as it always did.

Awaiting your reply. AGK 09:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot for your speedy reply. As I said, it is definitely not a major matter, so I agree that it will not in any way significantly hamper my editing activities. If, as you say, it would be possible to get a copy of the contents of what was User:Matheuler/adminship pasted to User:Finn Casey/adminship, that would be lovely. In any event, best wishes! —Finn Casey 17:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Done: User:Finn Casey/adminship. If there is anything else I can assist with, please do ask. Regards, AGK 18:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

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re: User:Anonimu

AA2 and other issues

This is in response to your warning/threat left on my talk page.

Considering

• 1) I was not notified of being mentioned in the incident concerning Abbatai, which I was unaware
  
• 2) Apparently leaving me in the dark was a way and means of pushing through to this warning without giving me any opportunity to explain myself or my actions, which consisted of 1 revert!!
  
• 3) In light of the urgency in which this was undertaken, certain individuals should have checked Abbatai's edits where they would have found his post on my talk page, accusing me of "adding Anti Turkish stuffs". Which apparently doesn't violate any rules of conduct on Misplaced Pages.

Conclusion: While spouting rules and regulations of Misplaced Pages, it would be prudent to practice what one preaches. Warnings, are indications of violations of conduct with a link showing such conduct to be unproductive. Threats, on the other hand, are actions taken AFTER the fact, involving NO warning(s) of any discussion(s) or being allowed a voice in said discussion(s).

Final: I don't know what the real issue was concerning that Arbitration. However, I find the proceedings quite cryptic when you dragged my name into this over 1 revert(which was subsequently reverted by Abbatai later), and yet I was not made aware of these proceedings until your threat of October 20th. I hope any further interaction with you will be of a more positive nature. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

There was no warning and no threat. To place a user on notice is to simply notify them that the arbitration decision concerned with the subject area they are editing includes a discretionary sanction remedy, and that they must bear that in mind when contributing. Your involvement—as brief as it was—with an incident that later involved one user having sanctioned placed upon their account does, I think, warrant what is in effect a simple notification. The red triangle warning sign that furnishes the notice template that I used in my comment on your talk page may have mislead you, so I will reiterate to ensure my point is made clear: I neither warned you, nor suggested (implicitly or otherwise) that your conduct was questionable. With that in mind, I am afraid I don't see where your complaint lies. AGK 17:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My complaint? Your actions. You dragged my name into this Arbitration on October 14th, yet felt that my notification was redundant or unnecessary until the warning/threat of October 20th! Your lack of notification implies that I somehow knew of these proceedings, which in and of itself means implying I'm a sockpuppet. So yes, I question your actions.

Odd how my 1 simple revert garnered such attention. I'd suggest next time that, out of simple courtesy, if you drag someone's name into an arbitration that you notify the individual you include. As for discussing anything with Abbatai, I'd suggest you discuss the vandalism he posted on my talk page. Since that garnered such attention, like the other 8 times my page has been vandalized, that nothing was done. As such I will not be assuming good faith with that individual in any situation.

Oh, and as for AA2, I honestly could care less, but I'm sure someone feels better seeing my name on that list. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My notification implies that you are a sock puppet? What nonsense! To repeat myself for the third occasion: to be placed on notice is not involving you at all in the arbitration proceedings to a great degree than you already were by editing the concerned subject area.

I'm sorry that you were not notified of the proceedings, but, to be quite fair to the editor who filed the complaint at AE, you were not a party to the situation. Your peripheral involvement simply attracted my attention. Perhaps some administrators would not have issued the notice, but I think most would have. I also think that, because you were involved in an incident that required administrator intervention, it was quite right that you were formally notified of the arbitration decision.

Regarding the edits to your talk page: Abbatai has just been banned from reverting without consensus for three months. I think that, in light of that, we can let earlier misbehaviour slide: something has now been done about his conduct. AGK 18:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)