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Proposed ban for one month(?) from creating irreversible moves?

One of the current proposed decision of ArbCom reads:

• "AndriyK is banned for one month for creating irreversible page moves."

Please correct me if I am wrong, but creating irreversible page moves is very much against the Wiki-spirit. Anyone has the right to move articles, true enough, but adding an artificial history to the redirects that makes moves irreversible is a dirty trick. The decision implies that after one months AndriyK may return to this tactic and I will have to set aside another many hours to prepare the second arbitration.

I respectfully request the arbitrators to take into account that so called "irreversible" page moves, may only be done on purpose by a bad-faith user who thinks that his preferred article names will not be approved by consensus. As such, they should be discouraged without any time restriction or better yet prohibited.

I would go the Village Pump to propose the Policy ammendment that would make artificially irreversible moves automatically reverted by any admin because such moves are clearly made in bad faith. Overturning AndriyK's page moves made with a sneaky trick in toto by ArbCom would create a good precedent for such a policy ammendment. Having said that, I agree with some of his moves, and once they are overturned purely because of the way they were made, we can move some of the articles to AndriyK's location, but in a normal way, rather that with his trick. Thus, these moves would be subject to a normal discussion by the community.

To summarize, I respectfully request the ArbCom to voice its opinion on whether such moves are indeed a dirty trick. Additionally, I request the ArbCom to consider overturning the bad-faith moves and redirects by AndriyK, leaving the normal one-step moves he made to date intact.

Respectfully, Irpen 00:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm comfortable with what I proposed. Any administrator can help move them back without going through the rigamarole of a vote. Fred Bauder 00:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Having been banned for a month for doing it, I doubt he will want to do more. But I will clear up the ambiguity. Fred Bauder 00:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing this up. However, the clout of ArbCom's decision to undo all dirty-trick moves as part of this case, if ArbCom makes such a decision of course, would make it clear for admins that they are allowed to undo such moves on sight in the future. Additionally, the precedent of ArbCom's decision would be helpful to work out a general policy amendment that would make the reversion of such moves automatic. This should apply not just to AndriyK's moves but the moves by any user who would use the same trick. Thank you. --Irpen 00:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe ArbComm decisions are not used to set precedents. Each case is individual. It may be regrettable in this particular case, but overall, I think, it is beneficial.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe not only an admin but any user can undo it with simple "cut and paste" as you've seen it here. It's only a technical issue of tediousness of doing this. --Wojsyl 07:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

No, the history is not preserved by cut and paste moves and this is a problem. When the article is moved, the history goes to a new title. If a non-admin cuts and pastes the article back to the first location and places a redirect to the second one, the history and talk remains at the second location while the article is at the first one. The correct way is to delete a redirect with a frivolous history (useless anyway) and move an article back to an emptied entry. Only admins can do that. --Irpen 07:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppets, anons with similar patterns of edits

I would like to voice the following proposal to the arbitration committee regarding the proposed decision. There have been several sockpuppet allegations raised by user:Ezhiki (in connection with vote fraud) and by myself in connection with revert warring and 3RR avoidance.

The editing pattern of user:Dovbush is particularly suspicios if his edits and edits of AndriyK at the particular day are compared. When AndriyK's 3RR "allotment" (as he perceives it) ran out, see and reverts by user:Dovbush came in "handy" to pick up from then. So, first of all, I respectfully request the ArbCom to employ the checkuser function to check up this strong suspicion of sockpuppetry.

There were several anons or other newbie users about whom I am less certain and yet unprepared to voice my suspicion.

So, if the check shows up positive, or other sockpuppets are found, please consider to apply the ruling similar to the ruling of the notorious Zivinbudas case. That ruslling read: "Any edit by Zivinbudas using an anonymous ip (exhibiting his trademark immature Lithuanian nationalism) may be removed by any user." In this case that would be of course not "any edit" but only "any edit exhibiting the trademark immature Ukrainian nationalism that reduces to plain name change without discussion..."

If such a ruling would not be made, we may soon end up at the new similar arbitration to mull the same arguments all over. And it would have to be an arbitration, since an RfC has no mechanism to come up with any rulings or enforcements. Thank you in advance, --Irpen 03:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)