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Revision as of 12:28, 16 January 2006 by Bulldog123 (talk | contribs) (→[])(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)Vote to determine which countries are considered third world for a map for the article Third World. Vote opened on the 16th of January. Will be closed on the 6th of February (3 weeks)
For the vote you may want to consider these maps on wikimedia commons:
Also other maps of third world countries at external links here: , , , Figures which might be helpful: life expectancy, literacy rate, and total fertility rate
See also: Human Development Index, List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita, List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita
Note that this is not a vote for which areas should be seen as third world during the Cold War - as shown in here, but a vote for which parts of the world should currently be seen as third world.
Please vote yes (third world), no (first world), or maybe (hard to say/should be shown as sometimes seen as third world). Because there are 200 or so countries in the world, some countries have been grouped together for the purposes of clarity/convenience. If necessary further define for instance under the Gulf states heading you could write:
"No for Saudi Arabia, Yes for Kuwait, Maybe for others Username 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC) "
Sign vote with four tildes ~~~~ .
Or if you think all the region should be the same, write simply:
"Yes, Username 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC) "
Other comments or an explanation for your vote welcome. You can vote for as few or as many headings as you wish.
Canada, the United States, Western and Central Europe, Israel, Russia, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand are not listed because these areas are almost always considered First world. If you wish to vote for any of these areas, list them under "other areas"
Latin America
Argentina, Chile and Uruguay
- Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe --
Ronline ✉ 08:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Arre 10:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Bulldog123 12:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Panama and Costa Rica
- Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes (but would accept Maybe) Ronline ✉ 08:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe (CR one of LA's richest!) Arre 10:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Bulldog123 12:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Latin America excluding Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Panama and Costa Rica
- Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes -- Ronline ✉ 08:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Arre 10:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Bulldog123 12:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Africa
South Africa
- Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe -- Ronline ✉ 08:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Arre 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Bulldog123 12:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Africa excluding South Africa
- Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Ronline ✉ 08:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes though I have doubts about Libya Arre 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Bulldog123 12:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Asia
Gulf states - Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar
- Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes (Third World is more than an income grouping; I agree that this could prove to be the most controversial part of the map) Ronline ✉ 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Arre 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan)
- Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Ronline ✉ 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe (leaning on yes) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Transcaucasus (Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan)
- No for Georgia, Yes for Azerbaijan and Armenia -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe for all of them (Georgia is no different to the others, despite the Rose Revolution) Ronline ✉ 08:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- No for Georgia and Armenia, Yes for Azerbaijan Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
China, Mongolia and North Korea
- Maybe for China, Yes for Mongolia and N.Korea -- Astrokey44|talk 04:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes for all of them (China is still overwhelmingly considered Third World, even if this is somewhat undeserved. It also considers itself Third World). Ronline ✉ 08:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe for China and North Korea; Yes for Mongolia. Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe for China, Yes for Mongolia and North Korea
Palestine
- Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes (Palestine is less developed than Jordan and Syria) -- Ronline ✉ 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe(not less developed than Jordan, but more occupied) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Turkey
- Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe -- Ronline ✉ 08:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- No Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Oman, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Philipines, Indonesia, Malaysia
- Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes -- Ronline ✉ 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe (A very wide category. Don't think Syria etc are significantly poorer than some countries in L. America?)Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Singapore, Taiwan
- No -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- No -- Ronline ✉ 08:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- No Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- No Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Other areas
Oceania (Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Fiji, other small island states)
- Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes -- Ronline ✉ 08:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes (although knows little about some of these) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Southern/south-eastern Europe (former Yugoslavia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova)
- No -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- No -- Ronline ✉ 08:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe for Albania & Moldova; No for the others. (Former Yug: real name Serbia & Montenegro!) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Other countries
No map
Too controversial so no map of the third world should be shown
- Against this option Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Support the Third World is not a current concept; it does not exist; there should be no current map of it Robdurbar 11:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Other options/ideas/comments
- I think the distinction between Southeastern Europe and (far)-Eastern Europe is a bit arbitrary. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova are the least developed parts of Europe, both in terms of economic indicators and democratic indicators. Southeastern Europe's Western Balkans (i.e. former Yugoslavia except Slovenia) are also a bit backward, but distinguishing them from Eastern Europe shouldn't be done. I don't think there's any reason why Southeastern Europe could be considered Third World while Eastern Europe shouldn't. Russia is sometimes considered Third World, at least by U.S. press, even though I think it should remain grey. Ronline ✉ 08:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Comment on Russia (and China). The great power status of these countries, w. space flights & nukes, lead me away from third world status. Also, Russia is very well educated/literate/etc compared to any regular Third World nation. Countryside poverty may be high, but that's even worse in most of Latin America, where we've mostly gone with Maybe. Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Greenland
- What about Greenland? It is not an independent state, but you won't miss it on a map, and to the best of my knowledge, it is not better developed than, say, Qatar. This is a possible Maybe for me. Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)