Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Guettarda (talk | contribs) at 06:14, 19 January 2006 (Voting patterns). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Bullets

No, this isn't a threat. I'm just letting you know I added the bullet "This Wikipedian is a Christian" and the category "Christian Wikipedians" to your user page. I hope you don't mind. You should explore Wikipedian categories. I've got several on my talk page. Harvestdancer 23:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Jason Gastrich 01:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Christian Rock

I'm not the anon user that made all those changes, but I think he or she was trying to remove those contemporary Christian music artists that shouldn't be described as "rock". Jpers36 00:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jpers36. Nice to meet you. I've spent a lot of time on the Christian rock entry and the artists that are listed can be considered Christian rock. There might be a couple that are marginal, but as a rule, I didn't include any gospel, rap, or hip hop artists. The ones that were included fit the entry. God bless, Jason --Jason Gastrich 01:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Richard Kiel and Christians in Entertainment

Hello; I believe you added the Christian Actors Category to Richard Kiel. I wondered if you were aware there was a bit of an edit war over it.I've already reverted back twice in favor of the category. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Richard_Kiel&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Richard_Kiel

Also I was wondering if you might be interested in this? http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Category:List_of_Christian_Entertainers --California 12 11:29, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments on the RK page.They were level headed and got the point across.I am shocked at how anti-Christian bias is rearing it's ugly head at wikipedia.Are there any areas where Christians at wiki are speaking out about this? Take a look at the intro on this page- http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_christians Look at this sentence "Croaking along in it's own righteousness?" What a shame that people need to use a supposedly neutral internet site to spread their prejudice.

--California 12 12:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

WarriorScribe's deceit and poor personal research

While occasionally poorly worded WarriorScribe's perspective isn't merely held by him and his friends. Since LBU is unaccredited its entirely reasonable to question the academic credentials they bestow. I'm uncertain how WS & friends being in a minority or LBU statistics changes that. The entry indeed does not define LBU as a dimploma mill, but rather states "some assert" it is. Of course there is good reason to object to that as its a weasle term, and indeed no verified source is cited. And yes, I agree the actual criteria should be mentioned. Please make further suggestions on the article talk page... I appreciate you would like to correspond with me, but my talk page just turns into another battleground; which is okay, but little is accomplished and the discussion gets fragmented... which is not okay. cc'd to article talk page. - RoyBoy 05:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

No personal headings

Per Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks, please do not personally address headings to people on talk pages. Article talk pages should be used for discussing the articles, not their contributors. Headings on article talk pages should be used to facilitate discussion by indicating and limiting topics related to the article. For instance, you could make a header whose title describes in a few words one problem you have with the article. This will make it easy for people to address that issue, work towards consensus, and eventually resolve the issue or dispute and improve the article. If you need to reach another user please go to their user talk page. Thanks. -Will Beback 06:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Will, I didn't know this was a rule. Thanks for letting me know. RoyBoy has addressed me on the LBU talk page, so I went to his talk page and addressed him there. However, he moved my response to the LBU talk page. This is why I addressed him with a heading on the LBU talk page. I'm happy to comply with the rule, though.

By the way, what is your opinion on whether or not LBU is a diploma mill? It seems that you have been following the conversation without giving your opinion on the talk page.

--Jason Gastrich 06:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Inclusionists

I doubt whether yuckfoo cares about them being Christian entries. He consistently votes to keep everything. You could use that to your advantage. They are known as inclusionists. David D. (Talk) 06:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Seriously. Gastrich needs to stop accusing people of things and try to understand the Wiki camps of inclusionists and deletionists). Mark K. Bilbo 19:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Jason I've voted on 2, but I'm just to tired to finish tonight. I'll visit the others tomorrow. I must say the swarm of deletions is weird.Did he have an argument with you on any talk pages before this started? If so you need to include that in your vandalism report, it would show his motivation.This is very important. California 12 02:14 18 January 2006(UTC)

Thanks California. According to his posts, he has a problem with fundamentalist Christianity. He has only been on Misplaced Pages (with "A.J.A.") for about 3 weeks. He could even be a sockpuppet. Who knows. --Jason Gastrich 21:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I do? A.J.A. 22:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Jason, you may want to correct these edits, they are clearly not an accurate reflection of the number of times they are cited on the web. 17 million hits in google and 11 million hits in google. David D. (Talk) 10:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Jason do you want to ask someone from the mediation cabal if it would be permissible to merge the articles that are deleted into the LBU article? This may be your best shot for the lesser known people and the LBU list. California 12 02:58 18 January 2006(UTC)

I should add this, I seriously doubt if they are going to count my vote anywayCalifornia 12 03:34 18 January 2006(UTC)

Using google

Please cite accurate numbers for google searches in the future. I've looked through a series of your recent contribution on AfD pages, and all the google search numbers you cite are wildly inflated. You say, for example, that Thomas Ice googles to over 17 million hits, but the answer is in fact around 40,000.

When you google for

Thomas Ice

you are getting all page that include the words "Thomas" and "Ice." For example, if google registers the sentence "Thomas went to the ice machine," it would come up as a hit when googled as above. Please use quotes, as in

"Thomas Ice"

to count occurences of exact phrase. --Pierremenard 11:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Jason Gastrich 01:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Recruiting

It is frowned upon to recruit other users to AfD pages when your own intersts are at stake. You may want to be less obvious about it since it will go against you when the admin closes the Afd. Already it does not look good with complete strangers to wiki voting to keep. These types of voters are termed meatpuppets. You need to get a consensus of like minded wikipedians together whom might vote favourably from your own perspective. David D. (Talk) 22:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

If you're talking about me I have been here since April 2004. California12 18 January 2006

No not yourself. Heavens Helper, Gods Child and Michaelmoss have about 20 edits between them. Their votes will not be counted in the AfD. David D. (Talk) 23:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I want to thank you for your input, but because of some of the posts you've made, I doubt that your heart is in the right place. At any rate, my desire is to bring Christian Wikipedians here to contribute. I would never encourage someone only to vote and leave. By the way, there are a number of complete strangers to Wiki that have voted to delete. Will you be giving them an exhortation?

FYI - Heaven's Helper, Michael Moss, and God's Child are my friends. Although they may not have posted much so far, you can rest assured that they will be contributing more and more to Misplaced Pages. --Jason Gastrich 01:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

You really think my heart is not in the right place? Did i not welcome Michael and direct him to Christian music pages that might interest him? As far as other recent editors voting in the Afd you can be sure their deletes will also be excluded. i did not check thos though. Why don't ou write a note on the appropriate ones to help the closing admin sort the good votes from the bad votes. I am not encouraging your friends to leave i am merely pointing out the reality that their input in Afd will ot be taken seriously until they have shown a constructive input into the project. We disagree on most issues but I am certainly not out to get you or your friends. David D. (Talk) 02:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:AGF. And Daycd is right, skewing AFD votes with buddies is by definition an act of bad faith. This bears more watching. FeloniousMonk 02:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Of course ignoring "Judge not, lest ye be judged" would seem to me to be a violation of good faith on a number ofg levels. WWJD? Jim62sch 02:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

On Misplaced Pages we are our brother's keepers. We all depend on the process of Misplaced Pages:consensus to arrive at decisions about content. That is why we can't allow activities which skew the consensus. These include sock puppets, meat puppets, and participants who have been recruited to Misplaced Pages only to support a particular position. Asking active, potentially-interested editors to look at an article or AfD is acceptable, though even there restraint is expected. Frequent or widespread requests might be viewed as spam or worse. Let's all just try to be agreeable. This isn't the Usenet-- we have a project to work on. Cheers, -Will Beback 03:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Consensus is meant to represent the community's views, not the best organized, coordinated subset of it. FeloniousMonk 03:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I've followed the rules in avoiding "sock puppets, meat puppets, and participants who have been recruited to Misplaced Pages only to support a particular position." As you can see here, my desire is to get people to come here, stay, and be regular contributors to Misplaced Pages. I've also encouraged existing users to vote and to participate. As far as I can tell, these things are not against Wiki's rules. In fact, they all seem to be encouraged in the spirit of making a successful and prosperous Wiki. But by all means, watch away. --Jason Gastrich 04:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Voting patterns

Your description actions as a "voting frenzy to delete, delete, delete" and "outburst of deletion votes" seems to imply that there is something amiss with my voting in AfDs. When someone's page lights up like yours did, when it appears that someone is trying to rig votes at AfD, its obvious that I would have a look at what all the excitement is about. They were obvious deletes, so I voted to delete. So what's your reason for your "voting frenzy to keep, keep, keep" such obviously non-notable articles? Guettarda 06:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)