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Mahdi Army

Hi once again! No, relax, you're not being drafted. I was just wondering if you could you take a look at the "Arabic" spelling I added to Mahdi Army? I was just guessing from the way it is transliterated in English. Even though these are Arabic-speaking Shiites, the name of the army sounds vaguely Persian to my (admittedly, poorly self-trained) ears. Isn't the -i at the end the possesive -- what do you call it, ezhashee? In Arabic, I would think it would be Jaish al-Mahdi. Of course, I know that the Iraqi dialect of Arabic has been influenced by Persian, or maybe this name was imported by someone who had studied in Iran. Let me know what you think. --Jpbrenna 18:48, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gilan's Constitutionalis movement

Hi SC,

What is your opinion of Gilan's Constitutionalis movement having its own page? I thought I'd ask you about this before I make any additions to the Gilan page.--Zereshk 07:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just finished writing the Constitutionalist movement of Gilan. I kept your stuff (with the exception of the first paragraph which I kept on the Gialn page), and added mine as new sections. But I feel it reads kinda un-cohesive overall. I think you are better qualified to pull the article together since your contribution is greater. Feel free to edit the entire page as you see fit.--Zereshk 10:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
BTW, I have 3 good pics to add to these pages. I'll upload them on saturday when I get access to a scanner.--Zereshk 10:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll leave the organization of the pages up to you. I have added everything I could. I had problems in translating the concept of "mordeh parast" in the last sentence by Mirza that I added at the bottom of my section. Can u think of a better wording?
Transfer or move around anything u like. I'll leave it up to you. For me, it's enough that we just have this much about Gilan to add. Im happy as it is.--Zereshk 11:20, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Turks

They routinely go around messing up Iranian pages. I keep on running in to them quite frequently. But they cant really do anything. I revert their changes whenever I come across one.

As for the Demographics section on the main page of Iran, there has been alot of fighting and debate about it b4. What everyone agreed on (I recall) was that we put down the distribution reported by the CIA factbook, since it is the only referenceable source on the web. But Roozbeh said that we mention the source immediately so ppl know that the actual distribution might be higher or lower. I think as long as you can back-up yourself with any reference, go 4 it. The imptnt thing is to be able to provide refs to any change or additions u make, so that Pan Turkists or Arabs wont come around claiming the numbers are fabricated. I'll be transferring and adding stuff to the Gilan Const page for now.--Zereshk 08:40, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I will have to verify everything on that Safavi page on my next trip to the National Library. Otherwise my knowledge currently as it is, is pretty much in the same range as yours. You probably know more than I do. But dont be afraid to use Kasravi here. If anyone calls him "nationalist" to dismiss him, remind them that Iran's constitutionalist movement in fact started from Tabriz; Azeris have been perhaps the most nationalist peoples of Iran in recent memory.

I'll certainly help you out if and when I can back myself up with available sources.--Zereshk 9 July 2005 13:11 (UTC)

Chai

Now I have to record a new edition :-) Just kidding. DanielHolth 26 June 2005

Arbitration case - final decision

A decision has been reached in the arbitration case: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jguk. All involved users are warned strongly to abide by our policies. Please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jguk#Final decision for further details and the full decision. -- sannse (talk) 30 June 2005 15:38 (UTC)

Archivng?

How do you archive a page? My talk page is 3.5 miles long. Mer30.--Zereshk 30 June 2005 19:41 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome

It is good to hear from you! Excuse my jumping into your Khuzestani sandbox but I figured a placeholder for the Nestorians would be relevant. I've also dumped a whole load of stuff on Basra and especially Kufa if you have time.

fyi: The book I referenced was "Seeing Islam As Others Saw It" by Robert G Hoyland, Darwin Press, 1998. The Khuzistan Chronicle (called the Guidi Chronicle by early Orientalists, like Mingana) refers to Yazdegird's death and was probably written in the late 650s or 660s, and covers late Persian and Basran Khuzestan with more detail than it covers, say, Mahoze / Seleucia far to its north. Extra-Islamic sources on the conquests are few and far between, but they do appear where one least expects them... Zimriel 2 July 2005 16:28 (UTC)

Inaccuracy in need of attention

Hi SC,

If u have time, please check out List of languages by total speakers. The ranking of Persian is highly incorrect. Especially if we consider 2nd language Persian speakers. If u have time, can u please do a tas-heeh there?

Im trying to work out the arrangements of a trip to Ardabil to visit Sheikh Safi-din Ardabili's mausoleum. I figured it might help with the Safavi page.--Zereshk 6 July 2005 10:46 (UTC)

You are right. I was just trying to strike a compromising tone there. I just wanted to make sure that people understand that Ottoman Turkish is very different from Azeri.

If you look at almost all the languages listed above Persian on that list, you will see that they all count in 2nd language speakers to get their total numbers. That would make the # of Persian speakers around 80-90 million, estimating conservatively. If we count the Tajik, it would even go higher. The figure definitely needs a correction.

For the Iran page, how about if we just use the CIA 2005 estimates, and cite them as our source? I dont know of any recent official figures.--Zereshk 7 July 2005 08:20 (UTC)

oops. forgot. see here if you agree with my estimate: Talk:List of languages by total speakers. --Zereshk 7 July 2005 08:28 (UTC)

Monarchy in Canada

I agree with you that it is relevant, as is Religion in Canada. However, I think I see AndyL's point about the Monarchy in Canada link. The monarchy does not have a strong influence on Canadian culture these days. I would suggest that you engage Andy on the talk page. Although he has a definite POV on monarchy, he is reasonable in discussion. Even if one regards the monarchy as a weak influence it is still an influence and Misplaced Pages tends to be inclusive rather than exclusive (see Wiki is not paper. Sunray July 8, 2005 15:36 (UTC)

The question is how is it relevant. It looks to me like you have no or very little actual experience of Canada or Canadian culture and that you are proceeding as if you're relying on a 40 year old textbook (or perhaps you've taken a Canadian Studies course or two in school?). How much time, exactly, have you spent in Canada? Aside from having the Queen on our money, having a few institutions with the word "Royal" in them and having a crown on various coats of arms the monarchy is pretty much invisible here. Royal visits get very little press, the crowds greeting royals are quite sparse, I dare say if you polled Canadians on when the last time the Queen was in the country a minority would know that it was just two months ago. I think you have to distinguish between what you think should be and what actually is, particularly in regards to a country in which I suspect your actual experience is quite limited. Indeed, to dictate to Canadians on what our culture consists could come off as somewhat arrogant and presumptious. Perhaps you should try to learn from people rather than tell us what you think -- much of what you wrote on the MLC talk page, for instance, suggests that you think you know a lot more about Canadian history and politics than you actually do (for instance your claim that the relationship with the monarchy changed in the 1960s for instance seemed to be something you misremembered from a text book - either 1931 or 1982 would have made some sense but the 1960s?)

I have rewrtten the section on symbols to indicate that but to say that the monarchy itself is a symbol of Canada would strike most people as a bit odd and, frankly, it's a reflection of a monarchist POV (and wishful thinking) rather than reality. I'm really sorry to tell you this but if you were to do a poll of Canadians on what they identify as a "Canadian symbol" the Queen or the royal family would be mentioned by 2% of the population or less. Polls I've seen show that a very large number of Canadians are not even aware that we are a monarchy or that the Queen is Canada's head of state. To me this suggests that the cultural impact of the monarchy in Canada is marginal at best. Yes, the monarchy is part of Canada's constitution and legal system but culture? Few Canadians would seriously argue that, indeed, monarchists here complain about the erasure of the monarchy from the Canadian psyche rather than argue that it is a cultural component. AndyL 8 July 2005 16:18 (UTC)

SouthernComfort-- I hope you will ignore AndyL's glaringly biased babble. His feeling that the entire Canadian populace agrees with his POV on the monarchy is telling of his self-aggrandisement. As you stated elsewhere, you have an interest in Canada's constitutional monarchy (and history in general) so please feel free to contribute to articles related to those subjects. Though, I do have to say that Misplaced Pages is about accuracy and balance, so opposing views should be recognized, as long as they are grounded on fact.--gbambino 8 July 2005 16:35 (UTC)

The current reference to the Monarchy in Canada, added by AndyL, seems accurate to me:

...Many official symbols of the country such as the Flag of Canada have been changed or modified over the past few decades in order to "Canadianize" them and de-emphasise or remove references to Britain. Manifestations of the monarchy in Canada remain, however, on official symbols such as the Coat of Arms of Canada and the prefix "Royal" remain on various institutions as varied as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Royal Winnipeg Ballet.

It may not be all that could be said, but it is factual. Sunray July 9, 2005 15:56 (UTC)

Persian language question

Bacchá - bache means "catamite in Persian?" That's what this article says. I thought it meant "kid", and "catamite" would be a distant secondary meaning. (Kind of like boy meaning "male child", with the interjection "boy, oh boy" meaning "wow, I'm excited" or the insulting "Boy!" for an African-American down South being way down on the definition list). --Jpbrenna 8 July 2005 19:00 (UTC)

Sorry

I don't know enough yet about your disagreement with Zora to be able to add anything constructive to the discussion... BrandonYusufToropov 9 July 2005 10:01 (UTC)

Iran pages - what do you think?

Afghanistan Greeks

Actually, as far as I know, the Nuristani who claimed to be descended from Iskandar have been good Muslims with no polytheistic tendencies since their conversion in 1895. The idols in their temples were all smashed up, so they wouldn't have any to worship anyway. Mullah Omar didn't like them, and he may have accused them of polytheism, but he tended to do that to anyone he didn't like, and he doesn't really seem to have liked that many people.

As far as them being descended from Greek soldiers, that is hard to say. Their language is clearly Indo-European, and related to that of the Kalasha in Pakistan who also claim to be descended from Greek soldiers, and actually do practice paganism. A couple of the gods in their pantheon do have Greek-sounding names, but that could be due to either a common Indo-European inheritance, or just a relic of slight cultural contact 2,500 years ago. (Roman soldiers in Britain built mithraea and practiced something resembling Zoroastrianism, but nobody holds that they are descended from Persians).

I'm kind of skeptical about the whole thing, but who knows? --Jpbrenna 18:44, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't think I ever said you know nothing about Canada; just that you know less than you think you know. AndyL03:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Karun

Youre most probably right, but I dont recall anything of this issue unfortunately. My memory has a relatively short half life. ;) Not to mention that the unbearable heat in Tehran these days is robbing everyone of any mental, cognitive, and intellectual ability. It was 108 here today. Can u believe it? --Zereshk 20:45, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey there

Sorry for the delay. I owe you a note on the interesting notion of a "Jihad according to the Qur'an" section in Jihad.

It's an interesting idea, but I'm reluctant to move forward on it for two reasons:

1. The general partisan chaos that currently surrounds the article, which I'm not eager to add to. (Such a section might be mistaken for an endorsement of the tiny Qur'an alone movement's position on jihad, which is not, I think, significant enough in terms of either current events or history to justify an entry. Most Muslims, including me, feel that authentic ahadith are, here and elsewhere, binding.)

2. The fact that we've already got an extensive section quoting the Qur'an's teachings on warfare.

This is not to say that it's a bad idea, or that I would necessarily oppose someone else trying to make this happen. It's just not something I feel I can commit to developing right now.

Please do stay in touch, BrandonYusufToropov 17:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

New Wikiproject

Hi SC,

I thought Id go and make the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Iran page to gather around any possible Iranian editors or contributors for better organization.

Not that I have much hope in gathering a crowd, but what do u think of it?--Zereshk 22:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Qiyamah

Any expertise you could lend to the Qiyamah page would be much appreciated. Thanks. freestylefrappe 03:00, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Page move

No problem; I've moved it, and deleted the mistake instead of leaving it as a redirect (its unlikely that anyone would type in just that mistake); I've also corrected the only double-redirect, but I haven't updated all the redirected links (see ). I hope that that's OK. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


Jihad

Can you please take a look at the editor's poll I posted at the Jihad talk page here? BrandonYusufToropov 16:08, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

that photo

There are procedures for removing photos that you think are unfree; I am quite confident that there is no issue with using these photos, even if fair use needs to be invoked. If you feel there are copyright issues, there's a page for that. I suspect rather than being a vandal, the original uploader simply didn't choose a distinctive enough name for the file and accidentally overwrote a previous picture by that name. If you don't like that photo, there are three others to choose from at . The coverage at Ireland On-Line is unfortunately photo-free. - Outerlimits 03:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Wolley

Fyi: I just blocked Wolley on NL wikipedia for 1 week, because he kept coming back to Mashhad again and again, although I translated his text in Dutch, but removed the copyvio picture and link to arabic website. I saw you were involved in this article as well. Maybe this can help here. Ellywa 13:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Elam

All is in readiness for the change to BCE/CE for this article. Survey taken and tallied (see survey results). Jguk will revert at his peril. However, someone has to make the change. Do you or Zereshk have the time to do it? Sunray 03:10, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point about not being the one to make the change. Perhaps Zereshk would do it. I will ask him. As to the inconsistency of having both BCE/CE and BC/AD and doing clean-up, two things occur to me: First, there is a proposal for a cease-fire by Maurreen at Village pump. We could allow him that leaway under the cease-fire, as long as we ensure consistency (thus meeting the MoS guideline) by cleaning it up every once and awhile. Secondly, and as I said before, Jguk would be on very shaky ground if he violates a hard-won consensus. Ambi has already threatened to take him to arbitration if he continues to violate the ArbCom decision. Sunray 14:25, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Qiyamah and FSF

Okay, first of all, no personal attacks. That is what got Freestylefrappe blocked; it's not a hard policy, and engaging in them hurts your case, so just stop. I've personally been very civil with this whole thing. I don't know what connection you have to this, but from the looks of Freestylefrappe's talk page, he's not telling you the whole story. Yes, Freestylefrappe was blocked for 24 hours for making more personal attacks, after he and Universaliss were warned. But, you should know also, as you don't seem to, that Universaliss was blocked for a week for vandalism and personal attacks. I'm glad others, like you, are finally getting involved in this, but not if you are just doing it to come to Freestylefrappe's defense and attack me. In all honesty, I'm doing my best to try to diffuse the situation and I would much rather pass the conflict on to other editors more knowledgeable in the topic and of the personalities involved (like who in Universaliss a sockpuppet of? I'm convinced he is one.) By the way, I unblocked FSF early; it was meant as more of a one-time shock thing. --Dmcdevit·t 00:17, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I warned you against personal attacks because on FSF's talk page you called me "Dmcdevil." I was on high-alert for personal attacks, though, so I guess looking back on it now, I should have assumed a good faith typographical error (especially in light of your incomprehension). Also, I'd just like to let you know that I think FSF and I are (finally) on the same page. I'm on your side! I have blocked three users in the last two days for the vandalism to Qiyamah alone, two indefinitely. Also, temporary blocks are always preferred to temporary page protection, if possible, because they target the vandal, and not the community at large. In this case, now that the anon IP has been blocked indefinitely, I hope to see the vandalism stop. Believe me, I have seen my fair share of vandalism and my fair share of anti-Muslim hate speech. I detest it as much as you, and have reverted plenty. They don't make admins for nothing. Also, as I told Zora, I thought other admins were dealing with the 69.xxx anon, since he has warnings on his talk page. I will however, look into it more closely now. I hope we can be on the same page too, as I can see you are a genuine editor and the amount of crap in this corner of the Misplaced Pages is astounding. --Dmcdevit·t 07:17, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
And now after looking at it, I've blocked 69.111.161.69 for 48 hours, see User talk:69.111.161.69. Good night, I really have to get to bed. :) --Dmcdevit·t 07:42, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Iran infobox

the Iran infobox on the Iran page is acting odd and veering off into the article for reasons i cant comprehend. Normally I'd just fix it but i cant figure out what the deal with is,it i figured you'd be there person to ask to look into it. --Gozar 21:06, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Help with farsi / persian

Hi, I am looking for somebody who speaks farsi and came across your name at the farsi speakers category. What I need help with is this: at the Swedish Misplaced Pages, one user, Hadi 89, has been uploading photos of various Iranian soccer players. The photos look like they have been taken from various Internet sites but the user insists that he has a written permission to use them from a photographer, Ali Ghabari.

The user has scanned the permission and it is now available at sv:Bilddiskussion:13-Hossein-Kaabi.jpg. None of us can read farsi, but do you think you can take a quick look and see what it is. Interestingly, the same scanned "permission" is used on a web page of an Iranian plastic company, alvandplastic. It would be a great help if somebody who understands farsi could answer if the permission is genuine or not. Regards, Thuresson 05:00, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Iran's nuclear program

as an American of Persian descent who has also studied Iran extensively, i am curious as to what your views are on the situation involving the Iranian nuclear program and all the allegations being thrown around. just curious, as no seems to be talking about it on the Iran discussion boards.--Gozar 23:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Mashhad

Hello SouthernComfort,

Please see the message I left on User talk:Zereshk about Mashhad. There's been a lot of reverting lately, and I hope that we can come to an agreement about the article.

Cheers,

Acegikmo1 06:17, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your response on my talk page. I have replied on Talk:Mashhad. Acegikmo1 08:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Roozbeh is back again

Please go to User:Roozbeh's page, then go to his "user contributions" section. His past 200 or so edits have ALL been nothing but following me around, and deleting the tags I already put on images I uploaded, and replacing them with copyvio tags. Here are 2 examples of the hundreds of images he is unwarrantedly deleting:

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Iran_peoples.jpg (the U Texas link at the bottom clearly states the map is free)
  2. http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Wheel_Iran.jpg (scroll down to see the history of this picture. I CLEARLY say even what I used to take this picture with.)

What do I do with him? Is there a way to report Roozbeh? This man really is trying to flush down the toilet everything I have been doing.--Zereshk 09:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Kish Air

Hi , I guess the link to Kish Air in your page is not correct. This linke refers to Kish Air AirLine, not Kish Air institute.

Katrina

Dude, Are you OK there? Negaraanet shodam.--Zereshk 04:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

I've been familiarizing myself with all things wikipedian, so it took me quite a while to feel the waters and thank you. I haven't been back to the Zoroastrian talk page because I really don't need the drama. Rather, once I feel more confident I want to start writing Zoroastrian related articles. I also don't know if silly stuff like referencing an obscure Current 93 lyric ("His father waits for him near the Towers of Silence | Where they worship the fires so long quenched") would be appropriate for the Towers of Silence article. Or if expanding things like the Anahita or Zurvan articles are worth the time, or of any interest to anyone but me; especially when already succinct and well-written (if it ain't broke...). I suppose I'm entering the dilemma of figuring out my wikipedian philosophy. Although I have a few ideas for articles that I feel really should be written/expanded like: Agiary (Dar-e Mihr), Dastur/Mobed, etc (possibly even music stubs like Sex Gang Children, TSOL, or Steve Naghavi). Anyway, I look forward to any guidance or help you or anyone might be so kind as to provide me in the future. Khirad 09:24, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Jguk 2 Arbitration request

Since you were involved / gave evidence in the first arbitration case involving User:Jguk and date notation, I thought you would be interested in a new arbitration request that has been lodged, again regarding User:Jguk and date notation. Please see WP:RFAr#jguk 2 if you would like to comment. Sortan 19:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Apology

Hi SC !, I think I owe you and Nima (Zereshk) a big apology about my comments and actions during the first month I started editing in Misplaced Pages.I hope I didnt cause any unhappiness. By the way I totally agree with ya, Bourbon rocks ! Cheers ! Amir85 23:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Tulane Userbox

bah bah!

WB!--Zereshk 05:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Nagoftam jeloye khodesho nemeetooneh begeereh?! I guess the hendoonehs werent big enough! :)
Hatman baayad haalaa bereeneh tooye Safheye "adabiyaat Farsi". --Zereshk 09:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Why did you restore all the stuff I edited in Khuzestan's article? specially what are your "land and village disputes"? Haven't you read my new comments and quotes on the discussion page? You Have to present arguments for your editions like what I did; otherwise all of them will be reverted.Damned 19:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Islam articles in general

I noticed you're latest edits to Qiyamah, and I don't entirely understand/agree with changing Isa to Jesus. While the average reader will undoubtedly be more likely to recognize the name Jesus, the article is about an Islamic belief, and thus, should use Islamic nomenclature. While I can see adding a note to the Christian counterpart, the name throughout the article should remain Isa, just as Allah instead of God. freestylefrappe 20:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah. You make excellent points. My conception of Isa as Islamic instead of Arabic was clearly incorrect. The Cucumber-Kim Jong Il thing is connected to a recent... unfortunate dispute I had with...many users. freestylefrappe 22:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I do have presented arguments for my deletions. Bother yourself and read them. First I've elaborated that "land dispute" in Tabari that was just a breach of a treaty with ocuupiers as you could see from the quotations of Tabari.

Second bother yourself and look at Bani Torof's "article" he say's "percentages are my opinion" and his naratation of Tabari, as I discussed , shows you he is not reliable. If anyone finds official sensus data then cite it. It wouln't be odd if user Ahwaz did that stuff.Damned 23:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples

Yeah, tell me about it. Apparently Heja helweda hasen't been able to find any sources that say so, but as soon as User:Tombseye replys to the message I left him, I hope things can be worked out. --Khoikhoi 04:24, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Here's another amusing one: People get angry at even the mention that Freddie Mercury was Iranian "by ancestry": Talk:Music of Iran--Zereshk 01:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Khomeini's picture

Can you please back me up over Khomeini's picture on Persians. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManiF (talk • contribs) 08:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

This user doesn't want his picture of the Persians page because he thinks he wasn't Persian, and sees him as "controversial". Me and Tombseye have tried to explain to him that he is Persian, and Tombseye has provided him with sources, but he still continues to revert by replacing Image:Persians.jpg with Image:Persian people.jpg. He also has taken out the population numbers for most country except for the US. --Khoikhoi 08:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Iranian origin does not mean Persian. Unless you have a source that explicitly calls Khomeini a Persian, you are vandalizing and bullying.

You see what I mean? --Khoikhoi 08:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Anyways, I was wondering what your opinion is on having Ruhollah Khomeini's picture on the Persians page. People keep reverting. --Khoikhoi 08:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Please also talk to User:Kordestan. He's been trying to change the picture too, and apprently thinks I'm anti-Kurdish...although ManiF thinks I'm pro-Kurdish. --Khoikhoi 08:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I know. ;) I've tried to explain to Kordestan that Rumi is already on the Tajiks page, but he won't listen. In an edit summary, he said that he is "Perfect Persian". What's that supposed to mean? --Khoikhoi 08:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

If Khoemini is a full Persian, can you explain to me why he wore a black Amameh or had Hendi at the end of his name? Anyways, I'd not mind Khoemini's picture in a 40-picture collection such as the one on Tatar page as you suggested. We could include Shah, Mossadegh, Khoemini, Khatami as well as Ibn Sina, Rumi, Cyrus the Great, Kiarostami and every other famous Iranian/Persian. You give me the list, I'll photoshop the final picture. --ManiF 08:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I oppose that idea. Almost all ethnic group articles except the Tatars page have 4 pictures in the EthnoBox. Just adding a whole bunch of people encourages nationalism. --Khoikhoi 08:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

If we are going to add a woman, lets add Shirin Ebdi who is more known. But I think a 40-picture collection is better idea which would cover a whole range of characters and would discourage such editing contests in the future. --ManiF 08:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Persians

I know there are millions of Persians (Tajiks) in Afghanistan but the Persians page is about Iranian Persians and I find it hard to believe there are 99,000 Farsi people in Afghanistan. What are these 99,000 people called?

As for Reza Shah or Shah, they, like Khomeini, are loved by some and hated by others. Mossadegh OTOH is a recognizable and respected figure without much controversy surrounding him. That said, I think the best option is two-men and two-women with Shirin Ebadi as the 4th person. --ManiF 09:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Shah' image

I'm ok with Shah's image but in case controversy issues were raised like Khomeini, lets make another compromise and go with plan B and replace it with a non-political female figure such as Shirin Ebadi or another prominent figure.

By the way, Shirin Ebadi IS NOT technically Azeri, and neither is Shohreh Aghdashloo. Shohreh Aghdashloo takes her last name from his ex-Husband Aydin Aghdashloo. She's not Azeri herself! --ManiF 10:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I can live with the change to the Shah as well. He's not as well known a face of Iran as the Ayatollah, but he's a good choice for a replacement as he's pretty well known. Ebadi as a replacement is also okay by me. Perhaps Khatami might also be a possible candidate as he's very well known as a political figure world-wide if the Shah doesn't work out. Tombseye 19:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)