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Cheers, Sam 16:38, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You've got me wrong

If only you knew me you would see how silly it was for you to accuse me of intejecting my own personal bias. I am merely trying to state the case for the reasonable anti-zionist and set that apart from the anti-semitic anti-zionist. But, please, stop the name calling and inuendo and the false conclusions. MShonle 04:53, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Really, Mshonle, you're one to talk. Read over your comments to me; see how full they are of accusations and innuendo that I have an "agenda" to equate anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, that I am somehow threatened by your insertions, etc. Then look over my comments for even one case of "name calling"; you won't find any. Jayjg 17:01, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Recent edits

Jayjg, I trust you might actually want to make some additions to the project than just kicking up dust on talk pages. I'm convinced your intentions are noble, but some double-checking (the type that would have prevented your comment on Talk:Ultra-Orthodox Judaism) might help. Also be reminded that refraining from personal attacks is important Misplaced Pages policy. JFW | T@lk 08:04, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Jfdwolff, I was highly insulted by your post to me in talk:ultra-Orthodox Judaism, in which you insinuated that I had not even read the article about which I was commenting. I'm also insulted by your implication that I have made any personal attacks here on Misplaced Pages, and would like you to point out any. I'm having a hard time getting beyond these issues with you. Jayjg 17:19, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

O.K., you apologized for the talk:ultra-Orthodox Judaism thing, thank you. Jayjg 15:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Frankly, I'm having difficulty recollecting what prompted my above message. Having been around here a little while I've developed a (perhaps unhealthy) weariness of a particular type of discussion, and sometimes jump the gun in responding. Please accept my apologies again; may we work on many articles together in a constructive fashion. JFW | T@lk 21:08, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Demographics & Russian Poland

Hi Jayjg, Please see Jewish diaspora for the latest numbers I picked up from Jpost. In regards to Ru. Poland, I am familiar with the area, but this is the 1st time I meet this term. AFAIK, it is called either Ukraine, Byelorussia or Lithuania. Post-1795 and post-Napoleon those parts of Poland belonged to Russian Empire. Next division was in 1939 which is beyond the scope. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 18:12, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi Humus. Russian Poland is not the Ukraine, ByeloRussia, or Lithuania, but the Polish speaking territories controlled by Russia, which Russia lost after World War I. Jayjg 19:14, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I suspect you're talking about Congress Poland. I suggest we either use this familiar term (at least to my ears) or create a new entry or a redir for R.P. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 19:56, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Congress Poland seems reasonable to me, though I don't think it's a commonly known term. It should probably have parentheses after it such as:

Congress Poland (the Russian controlled Polish territories).

To be honest, the phrase "Russian controlled Polish territories" is probably better that Russian Poland or Congress Poland. Jayjg 20:06, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. I created a redir. IMHO these details should be reflected elsewhere. There is enough controversies with Z. already. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 20:27, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I see someone has fixed this awkward phrase. Since the territory in question was formally under Imperial Russia's control at the time and the pogroms of 1881-84, 1903-05, 1915-21 are also associated with Russia, IMO it's cleaner this way. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 22:47, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Al-Kirkisani

Hi Jayjg,

On the Karaite Judaism portion of the Jew page, you added the word 'later' and specified "Al-Kirkisani lived after Anan" - what's the point? IMO, the addition of the word 'later' is redundant, but that's just me.

Be Well--Josiah 00:14, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi Yoshiah. There are different views of the origins of the Karaites. The vast majority of scholars consider them to be descendants wholly, or in part, of the Ananites. Some Karaites, however, present a very different view, preferring to see themselves as descendants of the Sadducees, and often repudiating any relationship with the Ananites. I say "some" Karaites, of course, because other Karaites do not repudiate this connection at all. The scholarly view (which sees al-Kirkisani and Anan ben David as part of a continuum), and the views of some Karaites, cannot be entirely ignored in favour of your view, which would like to excise Anan from Karaite history. The fact that al-Kirkisani criticised Anan is neither here nor there; Rabbinic Judaism is filled with later Rabbis criticising the views of earlier Rabbis, yet they are all part of Rabbinic Judaism. In fact, you've inspired me to add the views of other Karaites to the articles referring to them. Jayjg 00:55, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. If you wouldn't mind, would you post links to the articles you plan to ammend in my User_Talk:Yoshiah_ap? --Josiah 04:55, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)