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Award

	The Order of The King
	I hereby award you this award, for your consistently taking The High Road. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 08:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

WOW .. holy bazoinkers Batman. I don't know if I have EVER seen you give such a thing Bugs. Thank you ... I am totally at a loss for words here. — Ched : ? 12:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Crat bar

I thought I'd ask if you would like to comment on this discussion about the crat threshold as you seemed interested in the related dicussions a short while ago. Best regards. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 20:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

commented there. — Ched : ? 21:03, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ched. We've moved our discussion regarding the bureaucrat threshold to User talk:Hydroxonium/Requests for bureaucratship threshold and I thought you might like to comment on it. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 07:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Hydro, Looks good at first glance. I'll check it out in more detail this evening. Cheers. Ched (east coast USA) — Ched : ? 15:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

The RfC has gone live here. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 02:20, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Digs

Hi. I didn't perceive any digs directed towards me. That said, the way you phrased your comment implied that bureaucrats would misuse the -sysop bit as a quasi-political tool. As that doesn't advance discussion of why or how emergency desysops should take place, I felt obliged to call you out on that. Titoxd 07:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

AHHH .. OK. And I didn't mean a dig at the 'crats' either. My thinking is this. The crats are "local", and edit or are active here on EN, so they are going to be familiar with many of the Admins. I think that familiarity leads people (even if unconsciously) to develop either a like or dislike (or perhaps mistrust is a better word) of some admins. I think that subconscious "knowing" of an admin. could all to easily play a role in the decision making process of whether or not an admin's actions were causing an "emergency". I just haven't seen many (perhaps one very questionable situation a few months back which arbcom handled involving some questionable mental stability issues) "emergencies" here on WP. I'll try to explain there as well. Thanks for letting me know that what I posted could be taken that way. It's late here, and perhaps I'm not expressing myself well at the moment due to fatigue. — Ched : ? 07:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Closing

Re: . Thank you. Worm · (talk) 08:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Seemed to be stuck in one of those dreaded programming loops. :) — Ched : ? 09:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

To say the least. Just a pity it wasn't closed sooner, tis one of the reasons I avoid ANI, it's easily one of the most toxic areas of the encyclopedia, everything seems worse there and if blocks aren't handed out within the first hour or so, threads almost always degenerate. I'm glad someone stepped up and shut it down :) Worm · (talk) 09:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

ANI closure

Hi Ched!

While I registered some disagreement at the ANI, I permit myself here to thank you very sincerely for closing it.

You may wish to include some of the tail subtopics in your closed record.

Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi HW, it seemed that userbox and its braces were messing with my placement of "discussion close" ending. Best of luck in other venues with this, but perhaps it would be easier and best for all involved to just drop the stick. Not saying you have to, just a suggestion is all. Cheers. — Ched : ? 09:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no plans to continue such exchanges, but as you wrote while you closed, Worm plans to write an RfC. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nels Running

On 9 August 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nels Running, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that US Air Force Major General Nels Running, a recipient of seven Distinguished Flying Crosses, had never boarded an airplane until he left his home town to attend the Air Force Academy? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

RfA Reform update

Hi. It's been a little while since the last message on RfA reform, and there's been a fair amount of slow but steady progress. However, there is currently a flurry of activity due to some conversations on Jimbo's talk page.

I think we're very close to putting an idea or two forward before the community and there are at least two newer ones in the pipeline. So if you have a moment:

Have a look at the min requirement proposal and familiarise yourself with the statistics, I'd appreciate comment on where we should put the bar.
Any final comments would be appreciated on the clerks proposal.
Feedback on the two newer proposals - Pre-RfA & Misplaced Pages:RfA reform 2011/Sysop on request. Both are more radical reforms of RfA and might run along side the current system.

Thanks for reading and for any comments that you've now made.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of RfA reform 2011 at 21:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC).

I've got mail

Hey Ched--did you email me a URL? I want to make sure it's actually from you before I click on it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

NO ... DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK. I got several emails this morning from folks and made the mistake of clicking on one of the links .. must have spammed my contact list. Very sorry folks ... running scans now. — Ched : ? 14:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Good luck cleaning up that mess...and BTW, that was a marvelous collection of goat porn! Drmies (talk) 14:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Can't say I know much about the goats, ... but I think I figured out where it started. Was a Facebook friend rather than a WP one .. sigh .. oh well. Thanks for the info. Cheers. — Ched : ? 15:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Did someone say goat porn? By chance, I've just started an article on that subject and could use some references. Please forward to my P.O. Box, ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 15:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Ched, get active on wiki again like before. We need more than goat porn.PumpkinSky talk 20:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Should be back on a more regular basis the middle of next week. Wanna get some work into Noel's article. — Ched : ? 21:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear you're just on a break/busy. I almost forgot about Noel, but I'll do what I can to help. PumpkinSky talk 21:23, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

You're invited! Wikimedia DC Annual Membership Meeting

DC Meetup 23 & Annual Membership Meeting
Wikimedia District of Columbia, the newest officially recognized chapter, is holding its Annual Membership Meeting at 1pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011 at the Tenley-Friendship Neighborhood Library. Agenda items include: election of the Board of Directors for the next two years approval of a budget for the 2011-2012 fiscal year report on the activities and accomplishments of the past year social gathering afterwards at a nearby restaurant Candidate nominations are open until 11:59pm EDT on Saturday, September 24. We encourage you to consider being a candidate. (see see candidate instructions) The meeting is open to both the general public and members from within the DC-MD-VA-WV-DE region and beyond. We encourage everyone to attend! You may join the chapter at the meeting or online.

DC Meetup 23 & Annual Membership Meeting

Wikimedia District of Columbia, the newest officially recognized chapter, is holding its Annual Membership Meeting at 1pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011 at the Tenley-Friendship Neighborhood Library.

Agenda items include:

election of the Board of Directors for the next two years
approval of a budget for the 2011-2012 fiscal year
report on the activities and accomplishments of the past year
social gathering afterwards at a nearby restaurant

Candidate nominations are open until 11:59pm EDT on Saturday, September 24. We encourage you to consider being a candidate. (see see candidate instructions)

The meeting is open to both the general public and members from within the DC-MD-VA-WV-DE region and beyond. We encourage everyone to attend!

You may join the chapter at the meeting or online.

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News and progress from RfA reform 2011

RfA reform: ...and what you can do now.
(You are receiving this message because you are either a task force member, or you have contributed to recent discussions on any of these pages.) The number of nominations continues to nosedive seriously, according to these monthly figures. We know why this is, and if the trend continues our reserve of active admins will soon be underwater. Misplaced Pages now needs suitable editors to come forward. This can only be achieved either through changes to the current system, a radical alternative, or by fiat from elsewhere. A lot of work is constantly being done behind the scenes by the coordinators and task force members, such as monitoring the talk pages, discussing new ideas, organising the project pages, researching statistics and keeping them up to date. You'll also see for example that we have recently made tables to compare how other Wikipedias choose their sysops, and some tools have been developed to more closely examine !voters' habits. The purpose of WP:RFA2011 is to focus attention on specific issues of our admin selection process and to develop RfC proposals for solutions to improve them. For this, we have organised the project into dedicated sections each with their own discussion pages. It is important to understand that all Misplaced Pages policy changes take a long time to implement whether or not the discussions appear to be active - getting the proposals right before offering them for discussion by the broader community is crucial to the success of any RfC. Consider keeping the pages and their talk pages on your watchlist; do check out older threads before starting a new one on topics that have been discussed already, and if you start a new thread, please revisit it regularly to follow up on new comments. The object of WP:RFA2011 is not to make it either easier or harder to become an admin - those criteria are set by those who !vote at each RfA. By providing a unique venue for developing ideas for change independent of the general discussion at WT:RFA, the project has two clearly defined goals: Improving the environment that surrounds RfA in order to encourage mature, experienced editors of the right calibre to come forward, pass the interview, and dedicate some of their time to admin tasks. Discouraging, in the nicest way possible of course, those whose RfA will be obvious NOTNOW or SNOW, and to guide them towards the advice pages. The fastest way is through improvement to the current system. Workspace is however also available within the project pages to suggest and discuss ideas that are not strictly within the remit of this project. Users are invited to make use of these pages where they will offer maximum exposure to the broader community, rather than individual projects in user space. We already know what's wrong with RfA - let's not clutter the project with perennial chat. RFA2011 is now ready to propose some of the elements of reform, and all the task force needs to do now is to pre-draft those proposals in the project's workspace, agree on the wording, and then offer them for central discussion where the entire Misplaced Pages community will be more than welcome to express their opinions in order to build consensus. New tool Check your RfA !voting history! Since the editors' RfA !vote counter at X!-Tools has been down for a long while, we now have a new RfA Vote Counter to replace it. A significant improvement on the former tool, it provides a a complete breakdown of an editor's RfA votes, together with an analysis of the participant's voting pattern. Are you ready to help? Although the main engine of RFA2011 is its task force, constructive comments from any editors are always welcome on the project's various talk pages. The main reasons why WT:RfA was never successful in getting anything done are that threads on different aspects of RfA are all mixed together, and are then archived where nobody remembers them and where they are hard to find - the same is true of ad hoc threads on the founder's talk page.

RfA reform: ...and what you can do now.

(You are receiving this message because you are either a task force member, or you have contributed to recent discussions on any of these pages.)

The number of nominations continues to nosedive seriously, according to these monthly figures. We know why this is, and if the trend continues our reserve of active admins will soon be underwater. Misplaced Pages now needs suitable editors to come forward. This can only be achieved either through changes to the current system, a radical alternative, or by fiat from elsewhere.

A lot of work is constantly being done behind the scenes by the coordinators and task force members, such as monitoring the talk pages, discussing new ideas, organising the project pages, researching statistics and keeping them up to date. You'll also see for example that we have recently made tables to compare how other Wikipedias choose their sysops, and some tools have been developed to more closely examine !voters' habits.

The purpose of WP:RFA2011 is to focus attention on specific issues of our admin selection process and to develop RfC proposals for solutions to improve them. For this, we have organised the project into dedicated sections each with their own discussion pages. It is important to understand that all Misplaced Pages policy changes take a long time to implement whether or not the discussions appear to be active - getting the proposals right before offering them for discussion by the broader community is crucial to the success of any RfC. Consider keeping the pages and their talk pages on your watchlist; do check out older threads before starting a new one on topics that have been discussed already, and if you start a new thread, please revisit it regularly to follow up on new comments.

The object of WP:RFA2011 is not to make it either easier or harder to become an admin - those criteria are set by those who !vote at each RfA. By providing a unique venue for developing ideas for change independent of the general discussion at WT:RFA, the project has two clearly defined goals:

Improving the environment that surrounds RfA in order to encourage mature, experienced editors of the right calibre to come forward, pass the interview, and dedicate some of their time to admin tasks.
Discouraging, in the nicest way possible of course, those whose RfA will be obvious NOTNOW or SNOW, and to guide them towards the advice pages.

The fastest way is through improvement to the current system. Workspace is however also available within the project pages to suggest and discuss ideas that are not strictly within the remit of this project. Users are invited to make use of these pages where they will offer maximum exposure to the broader community, rather than individual projects in user space.

We already know what's wrong with RfA - let's not clutter the project with perennial chat. RFA2011 is now ready to propose some of the elements of reform, and all the task force needs to do now is to pre-draft those proposals in the project's workspace, agree on the wording, and then offer them for central discussion where the entire Misplaced Pages community will be more than welcome to express their opinions in order to build consensus.

New tool Check your RfA !voting history! Since the editors' RfA !vote counter at X!-Tools has been down for a long while, we now have a new RfA Vote Counter to replace it. A significant improvement on the former tool, it provides a a complete breakdown of an editor's RfA votes, together with an analysis of the participant's voting pattern.

Are you ready to help? Although the main engine of RFA2011 is its task force, constructive comments from any editors are always welcome on the project's various talk pages. The main reasons why WT:RfA was never successful in getting anything done are that threads on different aspects of RfA are all mixed together, and are then archived where nobody remembers them and where they are hard to find - the same is true of ad hoc threads on the founder's talk page.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of RfA reform 2011 at 15:52, 25 September 2011 (UTC).

DC-area Meetup, Saturday, October 8

National Archives Backstage Pass - Who should come? You should. Really.
	You are invited to the National Archives in College Park for a special backstage pass and scanathon meetup with Archivist of the United States David Ferriero, on Saturday, October 8. Go behind the scenes and into the stacks at the National Archives, help digitize documents, and edit together! Free catered lunch provided! Dominic·t 16:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Tfd: Facepalm

See WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 October 3#Template:Facepalm
Facepalm ... Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire~! --Dave 17:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

You're invited! Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries DC

Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries DC & edit-a-thon
Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries comes to DC on Saturday, November 5th, from 1-5pm, at the Martin Luther King Jr Memorial Library. We will be holding an edit-a-thon, working together to improve Misplaced Pages content related to DC history, arts, civil rights, or whatever suits your interests. There may also be opportunities to help with scanning historic photos plus some swag! You're invited and we hope to see you there!
RSVP + more details!

Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries DC & edit-a-thon

Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries comes to DC on Saturday, November 5th, from 1-5pm, at the Martin Luther King Jr Memorial Library.

We will be holding an edit-a-thon, working together to improve Misplaced Pages content related to DC history, arts, civil rights, or whatever suits your interests. There may also be opportunities to help with scanning historic photos plus some swag!

You're invited and we hope to see you there!

RSVP + more details!

Note: You can remove your name from the DC meetup invite list here. -- Message delivered by AudeBot (talk) 18:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC), on behalf of User:Aude

Obviously I'm not gonna make any of this stuff this time around ..sorry, ... but hope you folks had a great time. — Ched : ? 22:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dispute Resolution

You may be interested in this. Peter jackson (talk) 11:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Fine Art Edit-a-Thon & DC Meetup 26!

Fine Art Edit-a-Thon & Meetup - Who should come? You should. Really.
	FINE ART EDIT-A-THON & DC MEETUP 26 is December 17! The Edit-a-Thon will cover fine art subjects from the Federal Art Project and the meet up will involve Wikipedians from the area as well as Wiki-loving GLAM professionals. You don't have to attend both to attend one (but we hope you do!) Click the link above and sign up & spread the word! See you there! SarahStierch (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Fine Art Edit-a-Thon & Meetup - Who should come? You should. Really.

FINE ART EDIT-A-THON & DC MEETUP 26 is December 17! The Edit-a-Thon will cover fine art subjects from the Federal Art Project and the meet up will involve Wikipedians from the area as well as Wiki-loving GLAM professionals. You don't have to attend both to attend one (but we hope you do!) Click the link above and sign up & spread the word! See you there! SarahStierch (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

RFA thankspam

Thank you for your support at my recent successful RFA. Being now the new fellow in the fraternity of administrators, I will do my best to live up to the confidence shown in me by others, will move slowly and carefully when using the mop, will seek input from others before any action of which I might be unsure, and will try not to break anything beyond repair. Best, Schmidt, 21:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

re: Kimo Williams

Chad

Your email to me is correct as the biography of Kimo Williamswas a cut and paste from my web site. However, I also wrote the biography. Should I cut and paste from my original word document?

Kimo Williams — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimowilliams (talk • contribs) 15:59, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Good day to you sir. First, let me say it's an honor to meet you. I did receive your email, and I will follow up on this. I want to do a bit of research before I can say for sure how we should move forward here. As you may have noted, your edits were reverted on the article .. basically because it was a cut and paste from your website. Especially since that site stated the "all rights reserved" we can't just do a copy and paste since it would violate our copyright policies. I want to check in with a few folks who are better versed in the area on how to proceed, but I will get back to you in the next couple days. If you happen to have any links to other websites .. such as perhaps any interviews you've done, or news reports that document any information it would be very helpful as well. I look forward to working and helping with this. Cheers and best. — Ched : ? 16:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Occupy Marines

Hey Ched, thanks for the note. Yes the discussion is getting rather long on the AfD - have to feel for the poor closing admin... Youre writing skills look fine from where Im sitting. I agree the article isnt ideal in its current form. Maybe there's two solutions. If others agree, Veteran involvement with Occupy or similar could be created. An issue with this is that although its more notable, it is in a sense a less concrete topic than our current one. Maybe the best solution is to wait for a few weeks and then try to improve the existing article? I havent done so myself yet for similar reasons to your good self - there seems to be a lot of passion and energy from both sides right now, but it will almost certainly dissipate if we wait a while.

Sorry to oppose what may seem like a workable compromise. Ive been a fairly substantial contributor to our main Occupy Movement article, and there is so much interesting stuff folk want to add that much of it is having to be rejected. Discussions are currently under way to split out sections into dedicated articles. OWS seems similarly cramped. So Im hoping no one will try to force a merge. As the excellent editor DreamFocus always says, a forced merge is often an excuse for deletionists to destroy what they dont like when they cant get a delete decision. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

sounds like a plan. I'll put on my watchlist, and if push comes to shove I'll restore and move to user space somewhere (in order to keep history). — Ched : ? 19:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

BN

Pfft; fun; that's how wars start eh? hee hee :-)

'nings Chzz ► 20:40, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I feel like such an idiot .. lol. — Ched : ? 20:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Well done

The Random Diplomat Award

I hereby bestow upon you this Random Diplomat Award. Marie Depage was chosen to represent this high office by virtue of the facts that (a) her image is public domain, (b) she doesn't look mean, (c) she's facing right, and (d) she reproduces well in miniature.

You, by contrast, were chosen with great precision to receive the reward, in honor of your diplomacy and friendliness in dealing with Kimo Williams. I think it's important to put a good face on Misplaced Pages for everyone, and I admire the way you approached it. Moonriddengirl 12:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm watching his page in case he decides to verify license, but I have to admit there's a chance I'll overlook it. I'm not on as often as I'd like to be in this account. :) If you happen to see him leaving notes or questions that I can help with, please let me know. --Moonriddengirl 12:36, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

awwww .. thank you so much MRG ... you are so da-gone sweet. :-) — Ched : ? 18:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The next line is, "...got that sand all over your feet..." ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, all for your help with Kimo Williams. Much appreciated. Wasn't sure what the best course of action was. StarM 02:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

ANI comment (Review of block reviews)

I was actually responding (and posing the question) to Nobody Ent. I'm sorry if the indention was not clear that I was making the reply to the OP and not you. Hasteur (talk) 20:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

ahhh .. ok .. no problem. I know I don't always do real well at explaining what I'm thinking. Have a good one — Ched : ? 20:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Brains work Better

		The 'Brains Work Better in A Community' Award
		Thank you for all your efforts to befriend your fellow Wikipedian Editors. Sometimes we need a reminder that we are all human afterall. This barnstar is awarded to Editor Ched Davis for having the intelligence to work in harmony with situations and other editors. *Buster Seven* *Talk* 23:49, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

baiting for wp:civil ban

hi!

You wrote: "I've seen experienced editors (including some admins) use sugar-coated condescending and baiting text to draw an (dare I say?) opponent into a "blunt" retort: and then lower that "civility" hammer."

I didn't think there was much point trying to explain this but as you so specifically described the tactic, I was just looking at this:

This indefinite ban:
Which was based on this wp:civil report:
Which talked about this discussion:.
Where Anna was answering the question raised in this edit:
The response was: "And what has your crackpot conspiracy theory got to do with the article? We don't give a rat's arse what you think 'may' be happening. Please don't spam this page with delusional junk."

This baited Anna into writing the first bad comment she ever wrote for which she was indefinitely banned.The article talks about a company that was note worthy 17 years ago. It is perfectly valid to use the talk page to figure out when Clean Energy Technology Inc closed shop or if it was merged etc.

Examples of AndyTheGrump's trying to bait me:

"What fucking part of 'not WP:RS don't you halfwits understand?)"
"fuck off, scumbag"
"moron"
"go fuck yourself"

How he talks about me:

"Please don't post ridiculous notices about 'consensus'. The fuckwits edit-warring over this article don't give a damn about such concepts - and frankly, if Misplaced Pages is going to tolerate such morionic POV-pushing turds, it can manage without me..."

I just ignore him but it is obvious enough this user should not be filling wp:civil reports about anyone. The mechanics seem to work exactly the way you described. 84.106.26.81 (talk) 13:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I just found this Arbitration Case. It provides this example. 84.106.26.81 (talk) 14:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

first let me say that I am truly sorry that anyone has treated you so poorly here. And I do promise to look into this and try to find a way to a better understanding
second .. and I am sorry that I'm not on this asap .. but it is a major holiday in my part of the world ... my grandkids have to come first for the next day or two — Ched : ? 15:56, 24 December 2011 (UTC)