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I am reorganizing my talk page; I realize that I have been wrongly using it as my diary of Wiki-experiences, but that it should be purely a "talk" page or a place where other Wikipedians communicate with me.

I will be restoring these messages.

Additionally, I think that I should create a separate diary. WikiSceptic 07:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Consensus Vote on Traditionalist Catholic

If you have made over 100 edits, please consider voting on which summary to use for the Traditionalist Catholic entry. Vote here: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Pathoschild/Sandbox#Draft_Summary_Lima_.234

You have to vote on each of the two summaries, indicating whether you oppose or support... Used2BAnonymous 08:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Traditionalist Catholic

Please jump in. We can use more eyes to fix this article. Right now you may wish to look at the Talk archives. Dominick ] 14:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Dominick - Thanks; after I had added, I read the talk page prohibition not to add without first discussing and realized that I would probably get a tongue lashing, but I am relieved. Thanks once again. WikiSceptic 16:04, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Thomas J. Hagerty

I notice that you have added category:ChristianSocialists. I had added Category:Communist because the text stated that he had been a Marxist from before his ordination. May I know why then have you categorized him as "Christian Socialist"? Did he return to a belief, in whatever form, in Christianity? If so, before, or simultaneous to adding this category, you should add such a statement, shouldn't you? And if he returned to Christianity, he does not meet the qualification of being a Communist, but of being a "former Communist" (or Marxist), doesn't he?

Regards,

WikiSceptic 18:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

One can be *both* a Marxist and a Christian simultaneously. Now true, there are many Marxists who say you cannot along with many Christians but, nevertheless, there are individuals, some of whom are listed as "Christian socialists" who professed to be both. Homey 19:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Please, will you assert that one can be both a Muslim and a "Kafir" and face the consequences of it? Is it merely because Christians are generally not militant but are easygoing that one believes that one can offend and insult them and get away with it? I am aware that there are "Christian Socialists" and I can have no problem with them, except rejecting them as heretics, because the label is legitimate in that they, even though mistakenly, believe that they can be both Christians and Socialists. But there is no basis for claiming the same with Hagerty, or if there is, you must insert it into that article first (and probably prove it, but it is my policy not to fight on subjects on which I know nothing). I would suggest that you either prove that Hagerty met the definition of Christian Socialist or that you remove that categorization. Of course, this is not too important for me, and I will cease following up this matter from here on. WikiSceptic 03:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

You seem to think there is no such thing as a Christian Socialist. Nevertheless, there are a number of people who have asserted to be both and there is an entire "Christian Socialist" school of thought. Perhaps you should read the Christian socialist article?Homey 03:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

According to Joyce Kornbluh, Hagerty was:

"a Catholic priest from New Mexico who had been converted to Marxism even before his ordination in 1892. Suspended by his archbishop for urging Telluride miners to revolt during his tour of Colorado mining camps in 1903, his formal association with the church ended at this time, although he insisted that be was still a priest in good standing"

Note that he was converted to Marxism *before* his ordination yet went ahead with it and continued to regard himself as a priest even after the was expelled. Evidently he thought of himself as both a Marxist and a Christian regardless of your opinion of him. Do you have any evidence that he ceased to regard himself as a Christian once he became a socialist? Homey 03:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Ma'am, - Thanks for the reply. What is important is Hagerty's insistence that he continued to remain a priest "in good standing", so that therefore he qualifies as a "Christian Socialist"; that much is enough, and all the above would have been avoided if you had provided this quote earlier. As for his "insistence", I can only say that I feel sorry for him and his self-deceit! A man who was very well educated, and educated in a Catholic seminary may deceive himself, but knows that when he has effectively ceased to be Catholic, and has been cast out, is is deep spiritual trouble, and if he truly believed in Catholicism, would have taken the trouble to cease and reform his ways. One's soul is more important that matters of this earth, however justified one's notions may be or not be. It remains a fact that there can be no animal that is both wolf and lamb, so that there cannot be anyone who is truly Christian and Socialist, self-deceit apart. WikiSceptic 04:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Ma'am? Anyway, the article already said he became a Marxist prior to his ordination so the fact that he was both a Christian and a socialist should have been evident. I think you're allowing your personal views interfere. NPOV is an important principle at wikipedia. Homey 04:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Homey, - Sorry about the "Ma'am" part. My mistake. I keep my "NPOVs" out of entries, and I do not believe that I have permitted it to enter the Hagerty page. Talk pages are another matter, and I do not believe that Misplaced Pages's NPOV rules apply there. And, it was not apparent to me that he was a Christian Socialist merely from the info that he was a Marxist prior to his ordination, for he could have been a secret Marxist. I doubt that he informed his Seminarian authorities or his ordaining bishop of his Marxist beliefs, for they would not have ordained him otherwise. At least, by and large, it was so in those days, although today things may be seen diffently by the Catholic Church (You must know that I am post-Sedevacantist). Regards. WikiSceptic 04:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

"I keep my "NPOVs" out of my entries"

Doesn't seem that way looking at Che Guevara. Homey 05:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Your edits were not NPOV which is why they were reverted. Homey 05:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

A Message to Pro-Life Wikipedians

The section "Foetal Pain" (Fetal Pain) has been deleted from the Abortion article. Could you help restore it? If you would like to see what was deleted, go to my talk page, scroll to "Fetal Pain," and click the provided link.--Thomas Aquinas 22:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Sir, - Couldn't find your version, apparently deleted. But I did find Choserr's version, and I would only suggest that the article be inserted into main Misplaced Pages as its own entry, expanded and linked to from within Abortion. Then you could either protect it or ask for protect for it, if things get problematic.

Perhaps, this may help: I had found a Powerpoint presentation "In The Womb" from an Italian hospital on the MangaloreanCatholics list. I am certain that the moderator (Paladka) would be willing to mail it to you.

Regards. WikiSceptic 03:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

CCW

I saw your comment at Misplaced Pages talk:Catholic Church of Misplaced Pages#Keep it up! that you would oppose any suggestion to delete the church. Please consider voting at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Catholic Church of Misplaced Pages. Thanks. --TantalumTelluride 00:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but too late now to vote, I believe. I was down with computeritis. Regards. WikiSceptic 15:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

That's alright. The curch survived without your vote. It's a shame that we lost such a great contributor. Of course, this MfD was probably just one of the many factors in his decision to leave. Hopefully he will come back after he gets some "wiki-free" relaxation. --TantalumTelluride 18:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Fetal Pain

I did turn it into a proper article if you'd like to see...Fetal Pain. Now I just need to find out a way to link it. Can you help? Chooserr

BC Prob

There is a problem with wikipedians changing the Euripides pages dating system to BCE/CE... especially SlimVirgin. I want to explain the situation incase you can help...I originally tried to change a wikipedia page from BCE/CE to BC/AD User:Shanes told me it's wiki policy to use the dates out lined by the creator of the page. I searched and found that the Euripides page originally used the BC/AD dating system and changed it with a summary. Now others are putting it back to BCE/CE. Can you help? Chooserr

new church?

New Church-ize? Dominick 17:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I see, well Pope Benedict, nee Ratzinger currently owns the keys to the Vatican. Dominick 17:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

You asked me. I said it before in the page I thought it wasn't the best idea. We have a lot of articles in the topic that are obviously in need of work more than a "resistance" dictionary. Dominick 18:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

In the wrong place, on your user page, Pathos made a suggestion. I also suggested to use categories one already exists for this, and merge the info. My biggest beef is separation of the Catholic church into sects, like the useless Neo- prefix, or taking informal movements and elevating them into dogmatic structures. I am adding merge tags now, to help you out. Dominick 18:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Dictionary of the Catholic Resistance

Your article Dictionary of the Catholic Resistance would be most appropriate as a WikiProject. See the description of a WikiProject:

A WikiProject is a collection of pages devoted to the management of a specific family of information within Misplaced Pages. It is not a place to write encyclopedia articles, but a resource to help coordinate and organize article writing. The attached talk pages are a convenient forum for those interested in a particular project. Projects can also have associated Wikiportals.

// Pathoschild 16:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about posting that on your user page. Oops >_>;. A WikiProject isn't much different from the way it currently is; I'll set up the WikiProject for you. There are a few minor changes that I'd suggest you make, such as setting goals and specific tasks (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject), but overall nothing that needs immediate attention. // Pathoschild 18:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Jesus

Check out the Jesus article and edit it to keep it focused on Jesus and a biographical account of Him. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thank you. Scifiintel 22:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Blatant personal attacks

This relates to the Traditionalist Catholic talk page. Note that personal attacks are very much against both the spirit and the policies of Misplaced Pages; see WP:NPA. The comments have been immediately archived. If you would like to discuss another user's comments, please do so with civility. Thank you. // Pathoschild 14:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Pro-life Alliance

The article Pro-Life Alliance has been nominated for deletion. Chooserr

Can you help

I would appreciate help with watching LIFE (Charity) and Central Catholic Library both of which I feel have merit and are only being classified unencyclopedic because the "editor" has a grudge against me. Chooserr

Congratulations

I congratulate you for being normal and for opposing the band of very obvious Marxists and others leaning in that direction, who are presently causing havoc on the entry for Gregory Lauder-Frost. It is a major and deliberate demonisation attempt, common with The Left. Lauder-Frost is a leading light in his Church (although, not RC), and has a wife and two young children. There can be no excuse for what these people are attempting to do to him/his current reputation, other than it is entirely a political witch-hunt. They have now clicked on links to other people and organisations via his article and are attacking them also, as well as directing others to them.213.122.84.212 14:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Partial Agreement With Your Leaving

Using an anonymous IP, I wish to express my partial agreement with your leaving Misplaced Pages. The WIkipedia is based on humanistic values, and as such, will fail to be a viable community, which is only possible under Christian values. As long as Misplaced Pages stands as is, it will always be humanistically run and biased toward humanistic opinion. 207.35.15.5 19:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC) (A Misplaced Pages User, Observer, and Skeptic Also)

Please look at this page

If you are a supporter of Don Bosco, take a look at this page.

• St John Bosco and LGBT edits evrik 04:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

your subpage listed in Category:War on terror

I noticed you have a user-subpage listed in Category:War on terror. Is that intentional? or is this something that should be cleaned up? Thanks!Mike McGregor (Can) 09:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the category tag. Drop me a line if thats a problem.Mike McGregor (Can) 10:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Compliment

I know you dont know me but i would like to say this.Man you are realy catholic. Thats good I would just like to say that I am tired of all the hypocrites and the people who sin on saturday and of ask for forgiveness every saturday. The people who are only christian so they can go to heavan. And thas why I hope purguaratury exists. Anyway You are not one of these people. So good for you. God bless you.216.227.242.241 18:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)