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Hello, Your eleventh edit under the Poyani username was an almost perfectly formatted addition to an article, evidencing a prior history with Misplaced Pages. What was your previous username? Thanks, --brew crewer (yada, yada) 18:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

See Paul Berman's Dissent essay "The Anti-Imperialism of Fools". Kiefer.Wolfowitz 05:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I took your suggestion on my talk-page to read Paul Berman's Anti-Imperialism of Fools. Unfortunately the article is locked by the magazine you cited. I looked up Berman's views. It was a bunch of propoganda parading around in rosy coloured glasses. It essentially assumes that every US president who has invaded and murdered large number of people in some foreign country, wanted to bring democracy, freedom, flowers, medicine, candy bars and butterflies to the subjugated people but was surprised and painfully awe-struck when he figured out the guns and planes shoot bullet and bombs instead of multi-coloured rainbows. For a good response to that nonsense see here and here. Or you may want to review the following quote by Mark Twain from over 100 years ago:

There has never been a just one, never an honorable one — on the part of the instigator of the war. I can see a million years ahead, and this rule will never change in so many as half a dozen instances. The loud little handful — as usual — will shout for the war. The pulpit will — warily and cautiously — object — at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers — as earlier — but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation — pulpit and all — will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.

Note that Paul Berman belongs to the "loud little handful" category. That his "conscience-soothing falsities" have convinced you through your own "process of grotesque self-deception", is nothing to be proud of, or to advertise on the talkpages of others. Poyani (talk) 01:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Brewcaster. I have never had another wikipedia username. I used to edit articles using my IP address. I usually edit science and math articles. It has never a problem except for me except for articles which are about the Middle East. I am trying to move away from that habit and use this username. I was the person who originally added the "South Africa" part to that page, using my IP. Someone removed it. So I put it back a few days later using my username. Cheers. Poyani (talk) 19:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Wait a minute. The article you are talking about was "almost perfectly formatted" because parts of it are very similar to another article. The nuclear weapons section of the South Africa-IDF relations is identical to a portion of the Israel-South Africa relations article. Poyani (talk) 19:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Please make up your mind. Also, I assume the IP address you are referring to is 207.188.69.26, but I don't see any edits to "science or math articles" as you claim. All I see, between the IP and the current username, is an Single Purpose Account dedicated to adding anything derogatory about Israel. Your conflicting and incorrect answers make me ever more suspicious you are a returning banned user, and combined with your editing patters indicate this is something that will have to be brought to the relevant higher authorities.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 13:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

First, I don't think my edits about Israel or the Palestinians are derogatory. Secondly, I use many different computers for edits and I assume my IP address would change over time. If I recall which edit in which science and math article was mine I will point you in that direction. In any case, as I said before, I will stick to this username and will not make changes under any IP address. Note that this username is not new. It is active since (I think) 2007. Poyani (talk) 14:02, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Pouyani, batche kooni cheghad duruq mikhai begi? Kiram tu in dahaneh porruht! Quit writing garbage all over and don't try messing with ISRAEL. Enghad mikonimet ta surakh koonet ham kalimi shodeh! Be kosse nanat bekhand wali daste anmaldeh-at az inja vardar! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.251.235.15 (talk) 22:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow! What is the rule for intimidation and insulting here on Misplaced Pages because this user (which I suspect to be User:Pantherarosa) did just that in Farsi. Poyani (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you were insulted. See WP:NPA. Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 05:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Appreciated!

1 RR on I-P articles

I am sure you already know this, but just to get all the ducks in a row, I am making you aware that per this, all articles in the Israel-Palestine space are subject to a 1 revert per 24 hours limitation. Ruby Tuesday ALMWR (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I was aware of this policy. But my understanding is that on each Israel-Palestine article each user can revert once per 24 hr period. If my understanding is correct, then I do not believe I have violated this policy. Looking at the Dahiya Doctrine history page, it seems to me that I reverted after over 24 hours. If my interpretation is incorrect, please let me know. Thank you. Poyani (talk) 21:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I have also made a revert of one of your edits. It seems problematic for a few reasons. Do not revert after 24 hours without first engaging in discussion and looking for consensus. Go make a case on the talk page for inconclusion. Cptnono (talk) 04:03, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

If there is a discussion I won't revert at all. The other user, "Jalapenos do exist" doesn't really engage in any debate. He kept reverting while claiming my edits were OR and that they did not reflect the sources, without explaining any further. My edits did represent sources. His did not! I went into depth and explained the problem but he was simply not interested. Poyani (talk) 14:04, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Cptnono, I noticed that you also provided zero explanation for your revert. Given that between yourself and Jalapenos, you seem to have now done this more than half a dozen times, I am beginning to suspect that you are not acting in good faith. Poyani (talk) 14:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Dahiya Doctrine talk page

Hello. On the Dahiya Doctrine article talk page, you might like to correct the name of the editor addressed from Brewcaster to Brewcrewer. ← ZScarpia 17:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Poyani (talk) 22:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Thought you'd like to know that there's a discussion going on at the Talk Page about merging the article with others or deleting it. ← ZScarpia 16:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Poyani (talk) 17:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Also: a belated Welcome!

Hello, Poyani, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Where to ask a question or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! ← ZScarpia 17:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Highly appreciated. Thank you very much for the useful links. Poyani (talk) 22:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Your publicizing the name(s) of rape complainants

Please remove the naming of complainants in the Sweden v. Assage case, where you reverted me. There has been extensive discussion of this on the relevant article, and where the name does not appear.

Further publicizing the name(s) of rape complainants does violate WP:BLP and decency. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

1. There is no mention of removing rape complaintants on WP:BLP

2. There are lots of articles on rape complainants on wikipedia

3. Misplaced Pages is not censored WP:CENSOR

4. This person's name is all over the news.

Poyani (talk) 19:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Please see WP:BLPN for a discussion of your publicizing the name(s) of rape victims. Per WP:Don't distrupt WP to prove a point, please cease further provocations and imho violations of WP:BLP policies and decency. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I will not disrupt WP to prove a point. However from my perspective I have not acted indecent. I oppose censorship. In my view attempt at censorship are offensive and in the case in question, possibly defamatory to the accused! Poyani (talk) 12:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello Poyani, I've left a note on the assange talkpage that may or may not be of interest to you, let me know if you'd like any advice on possible solutions, I don't know too much, being a newbie, but I come up with ideas here and there. Penyulap_talk 04:46, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

June 2011

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Misplaced Pages about living persons, as you did to Talk:CounterPunch#Moving_on. Thank you. You reverted my WP:BLP sanctioned edit, which had removed the name of a complainant: "On his Twitter feed, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann (162,000 followers) links to a rambling blog post arguing that Swedish feminist who accused Assange of rape, is an anti-Castro activist with connections to CIA front groups. Elsewhere on the Internet, NYU professor Mark Crispin Miller, the popular liberal website FireDogLake, Bianca Jagger, and The First Post (a British news website “brought to you by The Week”) all circulated the charges without an ounce of skepticism... one comes to an article posted on Alexander Cockburn’s far-left website Counterpunch by the writers Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett". Michael C. Moynihan "Olbermann, Assange, and the Holocaust Denier" reason.com December 7, 2010

You are further publicizing the name of a rape complainant using an unreliable source (Reason), citing unreliable sources, a Twitter feed and Alexander Cockburn's CounterPunch.

As you know, WP:BLP covers talk pages. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

This is just rambling nonsense. I didn't publicize anything. I just reverted your edits where you censored the name of a rape complainant in a talk page. Note that statements in talkpages do not need to be sourced at all. Yet if you need one, please refer to http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/world/europe/26wikileaks.html which clearly identifies the person in question.

More sources if you need them are presented below.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/08/1962779/accuser-in-wikileaks-saga-has.html http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025270-503543.html http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-12-09/us/28247531_1_wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-swedish-women-condom http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/assange-fails-to-manage-his-affairs-111773324.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LL16Ak02.html Poyani (talk) 20:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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October 2012

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Mohammad Mosaddegh. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Exactly how is he edit waring? He has made one edit there. You should not put things like this on peoples talk pages when he has not done what you are stating. This is the history of edits on that page Mohammad Mosaddegh and Poyani made one edit today,his last edit there was in August so not even close to edit waringKabulbuddha (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)