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Greg Terhune

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An autobiography, see talk page. I found a source that says he signed a contract with the Columbus Crew of Major League Soccer but I can not find anything to say he actually played for them. I also can not find significant coverage in multiple reliable sources about him. GB fan 16:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I was with them in 2007. I did not get first team action but was on the reserve team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregoryat (talk • contribs) 20:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
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  • Strongly Keep As per there is sufficient coverage of this article by the various sources as provided, and since I made my debut with the Crew in 2007, thus the article meets the requirements. An athlete is presumed to be notable if the person has actively participated in a major amateur or professional competition or won a significant honor, as listed on this page, and so is likely to have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. WP:NSPORT. Here, I played for the West Virginia Chaos which is a major amateur competition and played division 1 soccer at Marshall University. Further, I played in the reserve league of the MLS which classifies as a professional competition. I won a significant honor by being the Conference USA Defensive player of the week which meets WP:GNG. Thus, the previous assertions to delete the article on all the requirements should be reprimanded for their gross negligence of the requirements.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregoryat (talk • contribs) 00:00, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Only editor !voting to keep is the subject himself, says it all really. GiantSnowman 09:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep satisfies under both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant-snowman negligently reads the statutes and fails to interrupt as give aboveAs per there is sufficient coverage of this article by the various sources as provided, and since I made my debut with the Crew in 2007, thus the article meets the requirements. An athlete is presumed to be notable if the person has actively participated in a major amateur or professional competition or won a significant honor, as listed on this page, and so is likely to have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. WP:NSPORT. Here, I played for the West Virginia Chaos which is a major amateur competition and played division 1 soccer at Marshall University. Further, I played in the reserve league of the MLS which classifies as a professional competition. I won a significant honor by being the Conference USA Defensive player of the week which meets WP:GNG. Thus, the previous assertions to delete the article on all the requirements should be reprimanded for their gross negligence of the requirements. The editors don't understand the requirements, that says it really Giant-snowman. Gregoryat (talk) 14:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
You don't get to !vote twice. Arzel (talk) 15:16, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Three times actually. I'll strike them. GiantSnowman 16:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, to help clarify the situation and the criteria because GiantSnowman does not know the criteria apparently. Gregoryat (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
You are, of course, right - in my seven years here I have failed to grasp the notability guidelines that you have mastered in mere days. Apologies. GiantSnowman 20:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks I know I am right because I can read and understand statutes and guidelines. Just because you have been "here" for seven years does not define that you know what you are talking about or know the criteria. Gregoryat (talk) 20:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
It is not appropriate to strike the entirety of his comments. I have changed that to simply striking out the extraneous bolded words. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Apologies, and thanks for rectifying. GiantSnowman 16:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep Please do not touch my comments. Gregoryat (talk) 17:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete - Severe conflict of interest. Arzel (talk) 15:16, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Comment a conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article. Someone with a conflict of interest can write a neutral article about a notable subject. I still do not believe this article is about someone that meets our notability guidelines. GB fan 01:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
      • We do not care what you believe in because the fact is this meets the notability guidelines. Gregoryat (talk) 14:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
        • I understand you don't care about anyone's opinion but your own and anyone who agrees with you. The admin that will eventually close this discussion and decide if this article is kept or deleted will consider all the opinions. So far your opinion is in the minority. The admin will also discount opinions that are not based in policy such as the one I responded to above that advocated deleting the article based on your conflict of interest. GB fan 14:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Please stop adding a bolded word to every comment you make, more information at my post on your talk page. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk) we are talking about major sports here and it satisfies the criteria for notable under WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL.Gregoryat (talk) 19:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Major sports? Rugby is not a major sport? Well, I'll be damned. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete. The author claims this passes WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL but I disagree. Of the 8 sources, two, possible three does not appear to be independent of the subject. Nos 1 and 3 are identical with what appears to be a press release from, which isn't independent and thus doesn't count for notability purposes. No 2 appear to be about the same event, and a short notice about someone signing up with a new club doesn't establish notability, only that he signed up. 4, 5, 7, possibly also no. 6 aren't independent of the subject (former clubs), while number 8 is a bio from a charity he is active with as a coach. Therefore, he does not pass WP:GNG has he claims, and as far as I can tell. As for WP:NFOOTBALL; the criteria is either to have played/coached/managed in an international match, or to have played for/coached/managed in a fully professional league. As far as I can tell from the sources and the article in question, he has done neither. The guideline also states that "A player who signs for a domestic team but has not played in any games is not deemed to have participated in a competition, and is therefore not generally regarded as being notable." So as far as I can tell, he simply isn't notable, or at least haven't provided the sources needed. Bjelleklang - talk 21:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC) 
  • Well as you stated I do pass WP:GNG as I claim. As for WP:NFOOTBALL; the criteria is either to have played/coached/managed in an international match, or to have played for/coached/managed in a fully professional league. I have played an a fully professional league being Major League Soccer. Thus, meets the requirements of being notable. Gregoryat (talk) 22:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The sources have been provided as to this page for Major League Soccer and nothing really needed for "Youth and Amateur!" Gregoryat (talk) 14:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Major League Soccer is a fully professional league and is listed on that page. MLS Reserve League is not listed on that page and I have yet to see anything that says it is. So what is your source that the MLS Reserve League is fully professional? Patken4 (talk) 05:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Players playing in the MLS Reserve League are players on contract with Major League Soccer. You cannot play in any MLS competition without being on contract with the MLS. Gregoryat (talk) 05:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Being under contract with a MLS team does not mean the league is fully professional. Reserve leagues are usually made up of fringe players from first team and youth or inexperienced players looking for a full contract. Just because you have a contract with a MLS side and get paid a nominal amount to play a match for it's reserve team does not make you or the league fully professional. Patken4 (talk) 05:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Just being under contract with a MLS club does not make you fully professional unless you appear in a fully professional match, which would be with the full MLS club. MLS Reserve League matches can have up to five non-MLS players appearing in a match, which are either academy players or trialists. Neither of these have contracts lasting more than a couple days and aren't considered fully professional, even if they were paid something to compete. Source. You can say all you want how it is fully professional, but the league's own by-laws say otherwise. Patken4 (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Your argument is extremely flawed because as you state that your source is the 2012 Reserve League. I played in 2007 and did not have Academy Players. My contract was from May till December which is more than just a couple of days. Gregoryat (talk) 05:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Then it is on you to find the 2007 by-laws since you state it was fully professional. The burden of proof is on you. In addition, both sources that state you signed with the Crew say it was "temporary". Neither says it was a May to December contract. Patken4 (talk) 05:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
    • The burden should be on the editors that falsely say that the league isn't professional if they claim it is not. You cannot say it is not if you don't know then. Please remove your posts if you don't know. The contract was till December and even accorrding to the articles, it doesn't say how long, as every 1 year contract could be temporary then. Gregoryat (talk) 05:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I have given a link to the 2012 bylaws and it says it isn't fully professional. Clearly, we've established it isn't today. You state that in 2007 there were different rules, but unless there is proof of this, how can we know? Misplaced Pages doesn't take people's words as facts. There needs to be sources that are reliable and independent. Until you provide evidence of that, there is no need for me to continue to discuss this with you. Patken4 (talk) 06:03, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
    • You have clearly not stated your point as I previously stated that the Academy wasn't even established till the fall of 2007. Thus wasn't integrated till later. Your argument once again fails. Gregoryat (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
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