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We're so glad you're here! -- Essjay · Talk 09:45, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the family business ;) - jowfair 7 august 2005

Cool, i've always wanted a Hillman Imp Cokehabit 01:04, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:Welcome

You're welcome! (In the other sense of welcome...) If you need anything, let me know! -- Essjay · Talk 01:44, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

So after this excellent family car connection, what do you drive? Cokehabit 00:39, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I dont drive either, i'm epileptic so I get everyone to drive me around. It does of course mean that I can drink whenever I go out ;) Cokehabit 17:00, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi

I'm just browsing through the Wikipedians in England category and notice you are not in a 'county category', probably because the category hasn't been created for it yet. Would you like ] created? Alf 19:32, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, A lot of people use Wikipedians in UK category, that cat is going out of style though as far as I remember from the notice on its page. Proportion, not a clue, honestly. The more aware UK users become, the more likely they have themselves in a county cat. I suggest it to people who write on local articles that I watch, I know at least two others who do the same. Snowball effect I hope. Alf 10:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, done and added to your user page. Soon have some 'neighbours' I'm sure. Alf 10:14, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for your poetic contributions.

I thought I would just mention that I'm not quite so keen on linking dates. Dates of birth/death are good, since it can be useful to look at what links to 1960 to get anniversaries etc. Otherwise, linking a date means something quite widely significant about tying the event to the year ...

Charles Matthews 10:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

User page vandalism

No problem on revert the vandalism. I have you watched now, but actually I found it using CryptoDerk's Vandal Fighter. I highly recommend it if you plan to get into RC Patrol. I hope you are enjoying the site. See you around. Psy guy 23:06, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello again

I don't mind about the Palgrave names; but, to explain, I have a policy of creating redirects like J. Milton as I go. In the longer term it adds to the site to have redirects, and these sometimes pick up red links on other pages that otherwise would still be there. Charles Matthews 13:03, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikiquette

Btw. This is worth reading: Misplaced Pages:Avoiding_common_mistakes:

  • Deleting your User Talk page or removing text from your User Talk page. Your User Talk page is the best way others have of communicating with you. It's OK to clean up or archive old content, but please be careful before removing content from your User Talk page; it may look as though you're trying to hide criticism.

This unsigned comment is from User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters; he complains that I removed some vandalism he did to this page. - Poetlister 22:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

(Incidentally, compare Lulu's friend SlimVirgin, who did precisely what Lulu complains of, but Lulu didn't put this sort of nonsense on her page! - Poetlister 12:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC))

List of Jewish jurists -- Request for mediation

I've added List of Jewish jurists to the list of requests for mediation. Please take a look and make any comments that you wish. Thanks. --Nlu 16:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I have left a note on Rachel's talk page about this and suggested mediation be cancelled. Arniep 23:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Rachel has decided to go ahead with the mediation as Lulu has continued to make unfounded accusations on his talkpage. I'd appreciate if you could take a look at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:LGBT_criminals, personally I think this category just shouldn't exist as gay people have lived in diverse eras and countries with different laws so it is pretty meaningless, and also Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Wealthy_fictional_characters which is pretty stupid as we can never list all wealthy characters in all books, films etc. and as Rachel pointed out, wealth is relative. Arniep 13:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Please note, my edit summary regarding "obstructionist" and "WP:POINT" was directed at Lulu, not you. Jayjg 18:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Campaign to delete Jewish categories

please vote here Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Sub-Categories_of_Jewish_people. Arniep 13:34, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote. Arniep 03:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:Mediation

Please direct all inquiries to our chair, Redwolf24. Judging from the edit summary, I believe that Redwolf24 was under the impression that the case had been resolved already. I forwarded your email to him and I see you've left him a note as well; he should respond to you soon. Thanks for your understanding. Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I believe that Redwolf24 has replied to you by now? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I'll remind him to respond to you. He's pretty busy and said he would get back to you soon. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 16:45, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Please direct your attention to Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_mediation#List_of_Jewish_jurists and make a response there. Thanks very much! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:32, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Max Born

I've left a note on the talk page for Antidote. Cheers, SlimVirgin 20:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society

Dear Poetlister don't worry it will be solved. I asked a very good admin whom I trust. It will be solved. I would like to thank you for letting me know. By the way if you're the one from picture I find you cute. Bonaparte talk 14:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I am you know :). By the way how come that you like so much poetry? Bonaparte talk 20:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment

Reverted to last (anon) version to remove change by Antidote - why don't Jewish members of acadamies of science count as Jewish?

They do. The list is just extraneous as all it contains is other lists. Antidote 20:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply

Please place your request for unprotection at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection. Homey 16:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

User:RachelBrown/List of Jewish juriststemp

Thanks for the message, but I'm removing the category again. I don't want to and don't have time to find out the background to this, but while the page is in userspace it should not be in an articlespace category. If/when the page is moved back to the main namespace, then by all means put it back in the category, but until then please don't. I'm sure this is policy, but I've not found a reference to it yet. I'll post again here when I do. Thryduulf 17:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I've found the reference now: See Misplaced Pages:Categorization#User namespace - "If you copy an article to your user namespace (for example, as a temporary draft or in response to an edit war) you should decategorize it." Thryduulf 17:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
You should first ask the person who moved it why they did it. It looks like it was SlimVirgin. If that doens't get you any reasonable explanation then ask at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. To move a page just click the 'move' tab at the top of the page (see m:Help:Moving a page for help), I would do it but I don't want to step into the middle of something I have no knowledge of. I'm going to be offline in a few minutes and all day tomorrow (UK time) so I haven't got the time to investigate further unfortunately. You should also ask about why it was moved on the article's talk page (it stays on people's watchlists when a page is moved so people should notice). Thryduulf 23:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
See the discussion on WP:VPA about this. Thryduulf 23:27, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Poetlister, I was just implementing the simple rule that Thryduulf also referred to: there is a strict separation between the User namespace and the main (encyclopedia) namespace. The category "Lists of Jews" belongs to the main namespace, so there should not be user subpages in it. As long as the page is in its current location, it should not have the category on it. I'm not involved in the page move, and I'm not prepared to say anything about the desirability of this article in the encyclopedia. As for why the page was moved to user space: I see that SlimVirgin has answered that question at WP:VPA#User:RachelBrown/List of Jewish juriststemp. Eugene van der Pijll 11:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I do understand the issue: User space articles should not be categorized into namespace categories.
Please note that you have now reverted this page 4 times in 27 hours. That is very close to the WP:3RR limit, and you may be blocked the next time you insert the category. Not by me, 'cause I'll be away from wikipedia for a day, but another admin might. Eugene van der Pijll 13:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Poetlister, you have no right to edit the subspace of a user who has left. Furthermore, this draft was a POV fork of List of Jewish jurists. If you want to argue for changes to that page, you should go to the talk page. What do you see as the problem with List of Jewish jurists that this draft page would solve? SlimVirgin 14:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

3RR

Poetlister, you have violated 3RR at User:RachelBrown/List of Jewish juriststemp. I'm leaving this warning because I don't know whether you've been warned about it before. If you violate it again, you may be reported and blocked from editing. Please review Misplaced Pages:Three revert rule. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 14:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Stop leaving personal attacks on my talk page. I had almost no interaction with RachelBrown. As for your reverts, it makes no difference which version you revert to. Undoing another editor's work more than three times in 24 hours is a violation of 3RR, even if you revert to a different version each time. Read the policy. You should either say what your problem is with List of Jewish jurists on its talk page and reach a compromise with the other editors on the page, or leave well alone. What you may not do is create POV forks, edit other people's user subspace, or edit war to have draft articles retained in categories. SlimVirgin 15:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

RFC

Hi you may be interested in this: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote/Contribution table, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote/User comments, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote/Voting. I would appreciate your endorsement of the rfc at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary. Thanks Arniep 16:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, getting articles locked or nominating them for deletion if they don't get their own way is a regular activity of this user. If you look at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote/Voting you'll see that was the first page where the user began to use multiple voting to try and force their own viewpoint, voting 6 times in total. The renominated it in November then requested a deletion review when it was not deleted. Arniep 16:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, Poetlister. We seem to have a common "friend," and I thought you might want to know that I've begun an RfAr against her: . Marsden 03:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

E-mail you? How?

Hi. I don't believe we have talked before. I am happy to write you an e-mail if you could tell me your e-mail address and an idea what it is about. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 20:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nope. How do you do that? I don't enter my e-mail address in here so I don't think it'd work for me anyway. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 20:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a sock puppet

I think that we can be confident of this. I hope that this misunderstanding is reverted shortly. Certainly an indefinite ban for a "suspected" sock puppet is somewhat over the top. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 22:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know whether Poetlister is a sockpuppet of RachelBrown or not, but I've not seen any discussion about it - please can someone link to the evidence. Thryduulf 01:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I too am puzzled by this. Poetlister, you can mail me from my User Page. Charles Matthews 08:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Its on the Admin notice board, although to date there is ZERO evidence that they are the same person. No ArbCom, nothing. Extraordinarily suspicious, especially given the circumstances of the block. Would be a questionable decision at the best of times, but when a dispute is in progress, it adds even greater weight. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 10:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

And of course, even if they were, given that User:RachelBrown isn't banned, it seems absurd that a sock puppet of a valid account might be banned. If RachelBrown was an indefinitely blocked user, well, fair enough. If RachelBrown was User:Willy On Wheels for example, sure, then ban sock puppets. But not because of what? Because they voted on the same AFDs 5 times? Even if it were true, it didn't make any difference to anything, so a ban full stop is excessive. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 10:33, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Now, let's assume good faith, all round: there may be a big query, and the alleged sockpuppetry may also be mistaken. I'm not rushing to any conclusions. Charles Matthews 11:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that we should assume good faith. I assume that Kat has evidence to substantiate her accusation and can provide it here. Until she does though, I don't see why I shouldn't be assuming good faith on Poetlister's part. It's not actually a policy of Misplaced Pages that I know of that AGF is suspended when an admin points the finger at an editor. -- Grace Note.
That's interesting circular logic there. So a Wikipedian admin who bans someone due to suspicion in clear violation of WP:AGF we are expected to assume good faith that their absence of good faith was reasonable? I am sorry, but that's just going around in circles. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 12:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it is, which is why I've asked Mindspillage (or any of the other admins) who are attacking Poetlister to present evidence here. I'm not surprised they haven't. The administrapo prefers not to explain itself to the hoi polloi in cases like this. An admin has decided Poetlister is to be attacked and that's that. Very disappointing that Misplaced Pages works this way but that's how it is. -- Grace Note.
I should point out to Zordrac also that using a sockpuppet to give the impression of greater support for your position than actually exists is frowned on, and this wouldn't be the first user ID blocked for it. Getting a meatpuppet to vote for your side is not though, curiously enough, even if they show no understanding or particular interest in the issue at hand. -- Grace Note.
If proven, there would need to be an Arbitration Committee decision as to the incident. If one exists, then it should be presented for us to look at. If it was proven through ArbCom that they were a sock puppet, and, furthermore, that the violation was sufficiently significant to warrant an indefinite ban, then there would be no problem. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 12:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
No, there doesn't need to be an arbcom decision. If Mindspillage presents reasonable evidence here, you can decide for yourself. Mindspillage is an editor in good faith. Also, I am sure that if she has made a mistake or has insufficient evidence for it, she'll undo the block. From what I can see, Poetlister wasn't actually doing anything wrong, but some people really don't like socks and spend more time harassing them than they do actually editing the encyclopaedia. -- Grace Note.
I have heard from Poetlister offline; who may well leave WP as a result of this. I would need to be convinced that an infinite block was on a sound footing. Charles Matthews 11:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
There were several IP matches in very close temporal proximity between Poetlister and the other involved usernames, on several distinct occasions; the evidence, while I cannot disclose much detail, is strong enough that I am not convinced to undo the block. It seems many other users were contacted by Poetlister (or Rachel Brown, or whichever user/users are involved) but not myself -- my email address is in the clear both on my user page and on the arbcom page, and I don't bite; if you're reading, please email. I currently have a fair bit of evidence that suggests they are socks (which in itself isn't wrong, but using them to stack a debate is) and no evidence or correspondence to suggest otherwise. Blocks aren't permanent things: I hope I have not placed this one in error and will apologize if I have done so, but I need to be informed of that first. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I have reviewed the evidence in this case, and agree with the conclusion reached by Mindspillage. Either all of these editors are the same person, or several people all of whom share the same workplace, residence, and (apparently) a single computer. There is one point in the log where in the course of nine minutes three distinct accounts edited from the same IP, and multiple instances of two distinct accounts editing from the same IP within the space of two to five minutes. We've only heard one flatmate suggested; am I to believe that there are three (or more) people all sharing the same workplace and residence, the same obsession with the same topic, and who carefully coordinate their edits so as never to interleave them? No, the most probable conclusion is that this is a single person. Any other conclusion multiplies entities unnecessarily. Kelly Martin (talk) 06:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
People visit one another's houses, Kelly. You know, when they have friends. -- Grace Note.
I considered that possibility, but don't think it's very likely. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Note that Kelly Martin is an inappropriate person to conduct an investigation as she is not neutral. See here: User_talk:Kelly_Martin#User-check_request. Or, to put it simply, in effect it was Kelly Martin who did the block - purely ordering User:Mindspillage to do so. I think that it is safe to say that Mindspiller did nothing wrong, as she was just following orders. Whether Kelly Martin did anything wrong is another matter. Certainly, she should have investigated things a bit more thoroughly before making the order. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

You are strongly cautioned not to assume bad faith like this. I did not "order" Mindspillage to do anything; I don't have the authority to do so, and Mindspillage would simply ignore me if I tried to order her to do anything. I did not originally act on SlimVirgin's request (being otherwise occupied), nor did I review the evidence involved until Mindspillage asked me to. Kelly Martin (talk) 13:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Threats are bad, m'kay? Ta. Please don't threaten me again. See WP:AGF to note that criticising someone for not assuming good faith (i.e. not asking a user for reasons why their IP might be similar to someone else) is not a violation of AGF. Your "caution" is unwarranted. Please do not threaten me again. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 08:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


unblocking

Somone unblock Poetlister. I don't agree with the false accusations that have been made and with this sharade. Bonaparte talk 08:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I would be prepared to unblock Poetlister, on my own initiative. I would however like to see what the principals in this affair have to say on that, first. Charles Matthews 09:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Please unblock. I don't agree that someone should be blocked without any ArbCom resolution first. This was too zealous done. Unblock and let Poetlister to defend herself. -- Bonaparte talk 12:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Poetry Project

Glad to see you back. The Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Poetry has recently been flagged as inactive. Perhaps you'd consider joining it? — Stumps 13:02, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ... is there any sort of 'to do' list that you have for poetry, that others could help with? — Stumps 19:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello,

Thank you for the correction to the Richard Wilbur article. I was so focused on the placement of birthplace that I missed the 'was' omission. Be healthy. Michael David 13:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Just livened up your page a bit! Arniep 01:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello :)

I've been going around places and looking for relatively new users. I can't believe there are some users I've never seen! Welcome and hello :) — Ilyanep (Talk) 03:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to second this. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 08:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
:) — Ilyanep (Talk) 22:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Right back at you :) — Ilyanep (Talk) 22:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Turkish literature peer review

Hello. I've noticed that you have an interest in literature (specifically, poetry), and that is why I am leaving you a message. I have recently entirely rewritten the Turkish literature article with a view to getting it up to Featured Article status, and have placed the article up for peer review. If you could possibly take the time to look at and review the article, I would greatly appreciate it. If not, thank you for taking the time to read this message. Saposcat 09:53, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing to have a look at the article; I greatly appreciate it (especially as it is outside your area—I'm really just looking for a general critical eye from someone who knows literature, of whatever variety, and how a literature article could/should be laid out). Also, I have placed the article up, as a self-nomination, on Misplaced Pages's good articles section. Thanks again for agreeing to take a look. Saposcat 12:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ugh

The Original Barnstar

A Barnstar! The Original Barnstar
For stickng to the facts, babe, and tellin' it is like it is, oh, yeah, and being' beautiful. Brian G. Crawford 08:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

A fine point

I'm descended from the Hillman firm of car makers, ...

You are not descended from a firm but from, perhaps the leadership/founders of a firm? A minor point indeed, but clarity is best. "Makers" is still slightly ambiguous since automobile companies can be "car makers" and individual laborers or craftsmen and middle managerment can also be car makers. And if you are more specific, the story is more interesting. -- 71.139.187.82 01:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)