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Firstly the Hunagry section is strange. It has no source and it claims that the State Protection Authority "committed mass genocides". Is this true? Are there good sources for this. Plus the wording is at the very least hyperbolic.

Also would the Communist purges in Serbia in 1944–1945 be good enough for inclusion? Another suggestion which I think would fit count as a mass killings under communist regime would be the Fractionism purges in Angola. 10 of thousand appear to have been excecuted in a couple year, so would this count? There are a number of source on the Angolan Civil War page. At the very least couldn't Angola and possibly the Partisans/Yugoslavia be mentioned in name as place where mass killing have occurred. Thoughts? Stumink (talk) 14:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

The Hungary section isn't even sourced, so it should be revised or removed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:08, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Possible sources exist - but would need consensus for inclusion per the article restrictions. Meanwhile, the blue-linked articles do appear sourced.

During the anti-Tito campaign in 1949-1953, the prominent leader, Laszlo Rajk (see Rajk, Laszlo), was executed together with others after a show trial. A wave of purges followed, "cleansing" the party of social democrats who were coopted after the enforced merger of the two parties. Further show trials were conducted against prominent church leaders and noncommunist organizations. However, some leading communists, who remained in Hungary in the underground party, were also subjected to the horrors of torture and show trials. These included Janos Kadar (see Kadar, Janos) and Gyorgy Marosan (see Marosan, Gyorgy). About 7,500 communists fell victim to the purges, of whom about 2,000 were killed. Altogether, almost 750,000 Hungarians were investigated for possible political opposition. Many thousands were expelled from their homes, and about 250,000 were placed in concentration camps. There was hardly a family in Hungary who escaped persecution.

appears sufficient to retain this section for sure. Collect (talk) 13:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

The rewrite of this article

Sorry, but this is going to take longer than I had anticipated. My life is currently at a stand still and I need to deal with things before I can take the time to go through and expand/alter each and every single section. Kurtis 09:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Understood. AmateurEditor (talk) 19:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Please add wiki-link to "George G. Waton"

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Please add initial "G." to "George Watson" in this article and add wiki-link: George G. Watson. Thank you. --Aboudaqn (talk) 02:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. — Mr. Stradivarius 21:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Relevance?

What is the relevance of an article like this? There could as well be an article about "Mass killings under Capitalist regimes" (which could probably lead to far higher numbers) or an article about mass killings in general (which apparently doesn't exist), eventually mentioning the political or social system of the committing society.

This article makes it seem like mass killings would be somewhat a probable or even unique consequence of communism or supposedly communist societies and that is some serious political bias and not constructive at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.64.182 (talk) 13:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually there is an article on Anti-communist mass killings. One person did try an article such as you describe ... Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_Capitalist_regimes where the primary problem was that the "mass killings" were not specific to "capitalism" thus making the article entirely WP:SYNTH. It made for a really, really bad article. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collect (talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 June 2013

How does that differ from this article? TFD (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Been there, done that - the relevance of this article and its place in Misplaced Pages have been settled for a long time by about 6 AfD attempts. Why not think of something new to say? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

This is the editor's first posting and it might be more helpful to explain why the article exists than to make appeals to authority. In case you were unaware, nothing is ever settled in Misplaced Pages. TFD (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

@TFD - I was addressing you. Why not just admit, once and for all that there is no case to delete this article. To the extent possible on Misplaced Pages, this is a settled matter. See WP:Dead horse. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:45, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It is very difficult to get any article deleted. The article Richard Tylman for example was only deleted on the 4th nomination, yet clearly the subject failed notability. A large number of AfDs for an article made by different editors may be evidence that there is something wrong with it. TFD (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

TFD, if you have forgotten how this article differs from the "Mass killings under Capitalist regimes" article, then maybe we should start a FAQ for this talk page so we don't have to spend time reminding you. The Richard Tylman article you linked to does not have an established consensus one way or the other regarding deletion (a consensus was only established on a previous version), whereas there is a clear consensus over two consecutive AfDs to keep this article. AmateurEditor (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The Tylman articles were not all about the same person at all -- counting AfDs for such is a pointlesss exercise indeed. Collect (talk) 23:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The first four AfDs including the one I proposed and that successfully led to the article's deletion, were about the same person. An article about a person with the same name but who lived hundreds of years before was then created and it survived AfD. TFD (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

This article had a number of AfDs that did not have a clear consensus and looking at the votes of those that supposed did there was substantial support for deletion. By all means start a FAQ. Answering why there is a MKuCR article but not one for capitalism, fascism, nazism, liberalism, imperialism, democracy, etc. could be one of them. TFD (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm willing to do it. Do you have any other questions about the article that you want added to the list? AmateurEditor (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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