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Thanks for your help

I was sort of freaked out when I saw the notifications that Whately had undone all of my revisions, so you can't imagine my relief when I saw that you had restored so many of them. Thank you for that. I'm a pretty new editor and still kind of shaky on my feet. Revanneosl (talk) 00:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Np :) Cavann (talk) 20:56, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

DRN request

Hello I'm Cameron11598 and I just wanted to let you know I have closed the Istanbul request at The Dispute Resolution Noticeboard as a matter of procedure due to the ongoing RFC. See the following from the DRN guidelines

We cannot accept disputes that are already under discussion at other dispute resolution forums.

You may file again after the RFC has closed if a consensus has not been reached. If you have any questions leave a MSG at my talk Page or the DRN talk page --Cameron11598 (Converse) 00:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Sümela Monastery

Merhaba Cavann! Bu Sümela Manastırı makalesinde ki yunan dayatmacılığı sinirlerimi bozuyor. Ben birçok resmî kaynak ekledim tartışma sayfasına. Soumela ya da Sumela asla kabul edilebilir değil, sadece yunanlaştırma çabaları olarak görüyorum. Resmî kabul gören Sümela Manastırı elbette. Bu konuda taviz verilmemeli.İyi çalışmalar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.213.109.191 (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ingilizce'de ü yok yalniz. Almanya'daki Münih (München) bile Munich diye. Göttingen gibi SIK kullanilir olmasi lazim ingilizce olmayan karakterler icin, Sümela boyle mi? Cavann (talk) 23:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Tarafsizlik sorunu

Slm. Turkce vikipedinin koy cesmesisinde bir sikayet yapin. Ordan kullanicilari ingilizce vikipediye getirin. Ayrica sizin 'preferences' gidip bir epostaya eklen:)-83.128.15.240 (talk) 04:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please stop your edit warring and stop stop attacking and intimidating me. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Template:World homosexuality laws map. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Misplaced Pages this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Misplaced Pages is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. StAnselm (talk) 22:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I notice you have been warned before for incivility. You introduced the concept of WP:BATTLE into the discussion, but it seems that you have been battling also. Please don't assume that just because I am a Christian, I am incapable of editing or discussing things from a neutral perspective. StAnselm (talk) 00:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I did not put it that way. I just consider you citing a nonexistent consensus while removing sourced content -especially in the context of your edit history- highly inappropriate, given that you have failed to provide relevant sources for your version. Cavann (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I haven't failed to provide relevant sources: I cited this one. StAnselm (talk) 00:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

It is interesting that you picked and chose one terminology among several in that ILGA report, while also ignoring the terminology on ILGA map (which is newer), especially considering this template is also a map. Cavann (talk) 00:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Anatolians

Is it the title or the content on Anatolians (Indo-European people) you disagree with? The name of the title doesn't necessarily really matte to me, but it's pointless to merge an article about ancient peoples living in Anatolia with people speaking the Anatolian languages, which is an entirely different subject. Perhaps we could create an article named List of ancient peoples of Anatolia to include all ancient peoples living in the region. Sorry if i was too reckless. Krakkos (talk) 17:20, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Anatolians (Indo-European people) is a subset of Ancient Anatolians. Given the short length of article it does not need its own article yet. Furthermore, it is not clear if some of the groups spoke Indo-European languages or not; therefore, a more comprehensive article makes sense. The article needs to be expanded and there is already a list somewhere I think. Cavann (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

If the article is redirected again to Ancient Anatolians, and returned to cover all ancient inhabitants of Anatolia, it will have just as little content (in fact less) as the original article covering the Anatolian-speaking groups. As the current article is primarily is composed of a list of different groups living in Anatolia in ancient times, the most appropriate title would List of ancient people of Anatolia. Alternatively it could be named Ancient peoples of Anatolia, which is the title of the corresponding category. Krakkos (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I already said the article needs to be expanded. I'm not against Ancient peoples of Anatolia, but it is similar to Ancient Anatolians, even though not exactly the same with the corresponding category. More importantly, it is not known what language some groups, such as Trojans (see: Trojan language), spoke; it could be Indo-European or not. Therefore an overarching article on all ancient Anatolian peoples make sense. And an article on peoples is not the same as an article on the country/region as in Prehistory of Anatolia. Cavann (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for ensuring that Template:Indo-European topics maintained it's current image. Krakkos (talk) 15:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Turkey

Hi Cavann! When you added sources to the article Turkey, in some cases you have forgotten to include the relevant page numbers that verify the assertion. Could you add them to the article? Cheers, eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:42, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Cavann (talk) 21:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Re

I seem to have been misunderstood. I completely agree with your point, and fully agree on the point about the Royal College of Psychiatrists source. I was trying to make this clearer on the article, and will attempt to make clear the research pointing to biology in the article. --Scientiom (talk) 11:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Then don't make the stupid changes again. Cavann (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, "early uterine environment" = womb. --Scientiom (talk) 12:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I am aware. Are you aware that "early uterine environment" is a biological factor? Cavann (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

TemplateData is here

Hey Cavann

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks...Cavann (talk) 20:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

No personal attacks please, I'm not dumb

I dont do an edit against 3RR, but you are also not using the talk page while keeping the edit-war. You can always report me to the admin page (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring). if you want me to be blocked from Misplaced Pages and by so, to revert my edits. Kavas (talk) 11:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks If you continue attacking me, I have no option left except reporting you to the admin page. Kavas (talk) 15:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't call you dumb, I called the edit dumb. But it was unnecessary, you are right. Cavann (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Also

Note the difference between "majority are heterosexual" and "not more likely to be LGBT" - both are mentioned in the paper, but they're not synonyms and the latter is a more significant finding. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't find "not more likely to be LGBT" or "not more likely to be" in the paper. Are you sure that's Stacey 2001? What's the exact wording? Cavann (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC) Nevermind! :) Cavann (talk) 01:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Turkish help needed

Hello Cavann, I'm contacting you because we need some Turkish translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on tr.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Turkish Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 22:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello PEarley. I can start with the personal message. Should I just do the one above? Cavann (talk) 19:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Cavann, very good! The personal message is a bit different. May I email it to you? PEarley (WMF) (talk) 23:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Sure! Cavann (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail, Cavann. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Just replied to you. Sorry for the delay! Cavann (talk) 19:25, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Turkish people

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Your GA nomination of Turkish people

The article Turkish people you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Turkish people for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by GA bot, on behalf of QatarStarsLeague -- QatarStarsLeague (talk) 00:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleting the source for the number of Turkish/Muslim civilians deaths in western anatolia 1919-1921

Please look here ]. The source for the number of Turkish/Muslim civilians deaths in western anatolia during Greek occupation 1919-1921 is being deleted. The deleting users do original research on the talk page ] and claim the death toll exceeds total muslim number. They claim muslim pop was 1.1 mil but they only use a statistic of 1893 for Aydın Vilayet. But the source refers to all areas occupied by Greece. (Aydin Vilayet Hudavendigar Vilayet Biga Vilayet Kocaeli Vilayet parts of Ankara Vilayet. In those areas 3-4 million Muslims were living before Greek occupation.

In Aydın, Muslim population was 1.4 million in 1914 but the deleting users use a census of 1893 which is 20 years earlier! The Ottoman census of 1914 here ]. They add sources which states at least 15.000 Turks were massacred however those sources call this a minimum number and do not exclude at all that the death toll was hıgher. As it is known from many sources Greek troops burned many villages and towns during occupation and muslim death toll was very high.

The source comes from Cambridge University and the author is Dawn Chatty. Still they deleted the source by doing original research, can you please correct this or inform admins? Thanks 88.250.208.19 (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

If such blatant disregard of reliable sources continue, you may report them at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Cavann (talk) 19:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk page Messages

I've the article watchlisted so don't worry to msg me on my page too, unless you want to commend on something more general/else. CheersAlexikoua (talk) 20:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Article talk page is about the article. The messages I posted on your talk page was about your behaviour. Cavann (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Quite weird, since you performed wp:ninja revert without participating yet in the article's discussion. Keep in mint that cooperating with recently permablocked users (as the unlogged ip above), can get you in serious trouble.Alexikoua (talk) 20:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but it wasn't a discussion worth adding into before a revert. You ignored an Oxford professor based on your incorrect understanding of Western Anatolia. Cavann (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Seeing such an extraordinary number, I've done an in-depth research in order to see if this is confirmed by mainstream bibliography. I wasn't that lucky. But I will appraciate if you can find finally something on that.Alexikoua (talk) 20:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Start with the Chatty's citations . Cavann (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

sanctions warning

"Learn how to read", "are you that geography illiterate", insinuations of belonging to a neo-Nazi organization. Enough. Your incivilty ends here. One more comment like the above and I will ask that you be sanctioned. First and final warning.

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you. Athenean (talk) 19:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I think I also warned you about deletion of reliably sourced relevant material, so you do not need another warning. Cavann (talk) 19:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Great Fire of Smyrna. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. You are continuing your use of attacking edit-summaries. I remind you once more to stop. Δρ.Κ.  01:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Your reverts that I encounter are usually quite predictable. I advise you to review core Wiki policies. I hope you agree that Misplaced Pages articles need to be neutral. Cavann (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I advise you to review WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. They are two policies that you have been violating for a long time. As far as my reverts being predictable your disruptive behaviour at Istanbul is a good example why they are so predictable. Δρ.Κ. 

It's interesting that you come to my page for even the smallest perceived issue, yet you delete everything I post on your page. Interesting indeed. Cavann (talk) 01:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

You give me a copy-cat balkans-2 warning which you just received just above from Athenean, for reverting your removal of a pie-chart without discussion or consensus and you want me to take it seriously? Your disruption, edit-warring and personal attacks on Balkans-related articles is a matter of record. You have no reason to give me any such warning based on specious pretenses. Δρ.Κ.  01:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Uh huh. I will just deny recognition. Do not add OR content into the article. Cavann (talk) 01:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

• Hi Cavann, I was wondering what "far-right crap" you were referring to here and then I saw it was clickable. Please don't accuse other editors in a content dispute of belonging to some awful club like that. I don't know Dr. K. personally or off-wiki, but I'm pretty sure he's not some sort of Greek nazi. Let's not resort to such name calling. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Athenean, User talk:Mttll, and Talk:Turkish people. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. After reviewing the referred page, its recent revision history, your posts on its talk page, and your recent contributions, I feel I need to step in.

1. Ordering an editor to not make dumb edits (as you did with Mttll) is uncalled for. Everyone can make mistakes, which should be corrected and perhaps pointed out, but biting other editors is not productive.
2. Templating an editor who's been with Misplaced Pages for years (such as Athenean) and is unlikely to make newcomer mistakes (which most Twinkle templates are intended for), is considered rude except in the most extreme cases.
3. I can see no cause for you labeling Athenean a disruptive editor. He was one of several editors who disagreed with and reverted your contributions. Singling out one editor isn't right.
4. Rather than engaging others in an attempt to understand why they were reverting your edits, you immediately resorted to a belligerent tone.
5. Rather than seeking additional opinions from relevant WikiProjects if you couldn't come to an agreement, you resorted to threatening everyone at Talk:Turkish people.

None of the above is likely to produce positive results.  —Sowlos  06:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)