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Good articlesScarlett Johansson was nominated as a good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (No date specified. To provide a date use: {{FailedGA|insert date in any format here}}). There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

Scarlett Johansson was recently nominated to be promoted to good article status, but has unfortunately failed. Reasons for failing GA:

  • Intro
    • Yep, that would be a sentence intro... I don't really care if it's the same as other actor articles, it isn't good enough
    • .. expanding may be an idea
  • Biography
    • Have an introduction to this before jumping into subheaders, alternatively remove the first subtitle
    • "Johansson was born in New York City." shouldn't be a stand-alone sentence, merge into the following one
    • "Her mother's ancestors were from Poland." same as above ^^^
    • "The granddaughter of screenwriter and director Ejner Johansson and the sister of actress Vanessa Johansson and twin sister to actor Hunter Johansson, and non-actor older half-brother Christian"... is this meant to be with the previous half sentence? Because it makes NO sense
    • "she graduated from The Professional Children's School in Manhattan in 2002." Should be it's own sentence with "Johansson" instead of "she".
  • Career
    • "(grossing only $964,308 worldwide)" No BRACKETS!!
    • "fender bender".. how professional..
    • "2006 was signed to L'Oreal Her film" Full stops are SO in right now :P.
    • "Johansson was featured nude on the cover of the February 2006 issue of Vanity Fair magazine, with Keira Knightley. In March of 2006, she topped FHM's poll of the sexiest women alive, and responded to the news by saying that she was flattered to be thought sexy." If you're quoting someone, quotation marks do help. (though they're used later...)
  • Personal Life
    • "On several occasions, Johansson has claimed to be addicted to cheese, saying "My greatest vice is cheese. Nothing else reigns over my life." (The Observer Magazine December 28, 2003)" That should be linked via WP:CITE, I would delete it because of it's lack of enclyopedic worth
    • "Johansson has revealed that she has no problem with her male co-stars seeing her breasts, as she considers them to be her favourite feature. "I'm proud of my girls. They're my charms, my feminine wiles," she said in a January 2005 interview for Harper's Bazaar." DELETE THIS! Thank you :)
    • The rest of this paragraph is like this...
      1. remove all of this garb (keep the paparazzi and religion section)
      2. move the car crash into this section
      3. make the paragraph readable in English
      4. Prose it up
  • References & E.L.
    • Why is the Vanity Fair cover here? Move it to the relevant section
    • Rewrite link titles such as "Scarlet Johansson fan"
  • Images
    • The VF cover needs a fair use rationale
    • The "Love song for Bobby Long" needs a source and fair use
    • The leading picture needs a source and fair use

Well that was what only can be descrbed as pathetic (don't take that personally :S). This NEEDS a copyedit.. oh so badly.. Highway 20:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)



Gropegate

http://www.wluctv6.com/Global/story.asp?S=4392201&nav=81AX Should this be mentioned somewhere? I'm sure it will be something people look up her name for in the future.

Addicted to cheese?

"She has claimed on several occasions to be addicted to cheese, saying "My greatest vice is cheese. Nothing else reigns over my life."" Does this imply addiction or mere hyperbole?

Gossip

Parts of this article are plain gossip, like "Johansson has revealed that she has no problem with her male co-stars seeing her breasts, as she considers them to be her favourite feature. 'I'm proud of my girls. They're my charms, my feminine wiles,'" I don't know if this belongs into an encyclopaedic article. --Shiver 15:23, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, its a sourced quote, gossip doesn't have sources. Batman2005 05:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Categories

  • Scarlett Johansson (born November 22, 1984 in New York, New York) is an American actress. Johansson's father was born in Denmark, and mother Melanie Sloan comes from a Bronx-bred Jewish family. Johansson's maternal ancestors originally came from Poland.
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It sounds like she is Jewish, half Polish and half Danish, and all-American. Why doesn't the "Polish-American" category belong? -Willmcw 11:23, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I saw the previous edit war and then finally someone added the source which is now at the bottom of the article. The article clearly states ... Jewish Bronx and Danish decent. I don't know where the Polish remark came from, but it says Polish ancestors. Which in my humble opinion doesn't necessarily make someone Polish, otherwise we would all be from the Nile River. This sound ok? --None-of-the-Above 11:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
If she is not of Polish descent, then we should remove that from the article. If she has ancestors from both Poland and Denmark then they should be treated appropriately. I don't see why there is a controversy. -Willmcw 13:02, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I just checked IMDB and they state Polish/Danish descent as well. I find the wording to be rather ambiguous. Go ahead and add the category. --None-of-the-Above 13:50, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

The IMDB is sort of weird, because anyone can submit anything and it stays up for months, regardless of accuracy. I have never seen any interview where Scarlett refers to herself as Polish, plus her mother's maiden name is Sloan. It seems her mother is Jewish, so I guess it's probable that like most NY-born Jews she has some ancestors who came from Eastern Europe/Poland, but "Polish" isn't really her cultural or ethnic heritage, is it? I think if we went that route then we could probably list half of the Jewish people from NY as "Polish Americns" because they had some Polish-born ancestors, but would be sort of like listing people of Irish descent as "English American" because some lived in England - or vice versa, people of English descent as "Indian American" or "Irish American" because they lived in India/Ireland, etc. like many English people did.

I think it's good to keep the categories tight or everything just becomes one big mess. V 15:50, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that is enough arguement to remove the category. A source states LITERALLY Polish/Danish descent. --None-of-the-Above 09:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Her ancestors weren't Polish, they were Jews from Poland. Regardless of how we might like things to have been, before World War II, Gentiles and Jews living in Poland would not have used "Polish" as an ethnic identifier for Jews living in Poland. My grandmother's parents were Jews from Poland, and when she tells stories about her parents' lives, when she says "the Poles" she's always talking about the Gentiles -- she never uses the word to refer to her parents. --Jfruh 00:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Exactly, it's like the point I made that it would be akin to listing British people born in India as "Indian-Americans". Whole different culture. Same for Polish Vs. Jewish - Johansson's ancestors were culturally very different from ethnic Poles, and in the U.S. they were pretty clearly from a "typical" Jewish environment - i.e. from New York Bronx Jewish family.Vulturell 00:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

This is along the lines of something that has always just driven me crazy: If you're "Polish-American," that means you were born in Poland, the moved to the U.S. and became a naturalized American citizen. Right? So, wouldn't that leave one to realize, out of commong sense, that most of those who refer to themselves as "African American" are incorrect? Please! Slavery was abolished almost 140 years ago. Done. It's over! Get on with it!

When will you people finally understand that "Jewish" is not a freaking nationality! it's a religion!! Hello???

According to Misplaced Pages's definition of Jew, it is an ethnicity (i.e. "This article discusses the term as describing an ethnic group"). You are certainly welcome to try and change that. Vulturell 05:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, according to Johansson's NNDB entry, Jewish is used in the religious context. I think, and I also, know for a fact, that Jewish is a religion, as 'Jew' is the root word for 'Judaism'. The source for her not being an Atheist but in fact Jewish can be found here. Эйрон Кинни 04:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it is appropriate that I remove the 'Atheist' category. Is it even sourced? Эйрон Кинни 04:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Me again. NNDB is NOT a reliable source. They have no contact with the person themselves, so that makes them about as reliable as the IMDB or any info-gathering site. They probably read something about her mother being Jewish and put "Jewish" in. She has stated that she's an athiest in an interview, and that both of her parents are. See this for the quote. Ethnically speaking, she's half Danish and half Jewish, but her parents weren't practicing members of the religions that they were born into. Vulturell 06:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Johansson has been photographed a few times wearing a Star of David. Even if she is not a "practicing" Jew, she has publically identified herself as Jewish through wearing the Star of David. Would you doubt a celebrity is Christian if they were photographed wearing a cross around their neck?

I've seen those pictures and I am certainly not doubting that she's Jewish in a sense. She most likely identifies culturally and ethnically as Jewish (the Star of David is not necessarily an exlusively religious symbol) but if she's said that's she an athiest then she must not practice Judaism religiously. And yes, of course if someone wears a cross around their neck it doesn't make them Christian. Sarah Michelle Gellar has been photographed with a cross many times, but she's "all Jewish" (though non-practicing). A cross can (and is) easily be just a decoration. Vulturell 07:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

A belated remark about Scarlett's religion: some quotes can be found at:

I wouldn't have a problem adding back the atheist category, but there is definately no source for it. So it isn't appropriate, and like above, let's shy away from gossip. One thing I know, she's very hateful towards Christianity and perhaps other religions, too. Эйрон Кинни (t) 10:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, to comment about the Polish Jew category. First, I will mention that ethnicity is largely a bogus concept, and only national origin can be said to matter, if even that. Second, the Jews in Poland did mix (if that even matters), and assimilation was not uncommon. Jews would identify themselves as Poles, but of course this would sometimes depend on the particular person (i.e. if he were a Zionist, he might set himself apart from his country of origin. However Zionism is a fairly recent invention and prior to that Jews would identify with the country they were citizens/inhabitants of. The great mathematician Stanislaw Saks was a very deep Polish patriot and Jew, to give but one example). Therefore, the argument that someone's grandmother does not identify herself as someone of Polish origin, even though her family has been in said country for hundreds of years is a personal issue, not a general statement. Roman Polanski for example is Jewish and clearly identifies himself as a Pole. And as a side remark, I think it would be far more accurate to abandon the religious label of being Jewish as a cultural label since it does not scale well at all. You end up with odd oxymorons like "half-Jewish" or "Jews" that don't practice, believe or have anything to do with the religion. So, in all, Johansson is an American actress, no debate there. Unless she states that she has some allegiance or feeling of belonging to some other culture (say, in addition to being American), we should assume it ends at "American." --~~

I respectfully disagree. The most insulting aspect of your comment, and this entire thread, is that it would clearly not exist if, say, we were discussing Freddy Mercury, who is of Parsi/Zoroastrian descent. Now, in that case, it is clear that being a Parsi is a matter of religious conviction. However, it is also taken for granted by most literate individuals (and by most Parsis themselves), that declaring oneself a Parsi it is also an ethnic identifier. The same concept is also the majority position amongst most people (including Jews themselves) when discussing what it means to be Jewish. What is so unique about being a Jew, a Zoroastrian, etc. is that it is not just a religious moniker. It's also an ethnic one. So, please, leave your political convictions at the figurative door. Misplaced Pages is in the business of categorizing knowledge, not of supporting relativistic crusaders who fear ever categorizing anything (or anyone). The majority consensus is that the term "Jew," "Zoroastrian," "Parsi," etc. is both an ethnic and religous identifier. Until you and you faction emerge from the minority on this issue, stop trying to alter the article to suit your ideological viewpoint. Narsil27

Filmography

It has been noted on this page that she is starring in The Namesake and A View From the Bridge and according to her page on imdb.com, she is not scheduled and listed as starring in those two films. These entries should be removed to present an accurate display of her filmography.

Vanity Fair cover

Interesting photo of Scarlett for the new cover of Vanity Fair magazine. An article appears on MSNBC (with the magazine cover today) about her and several other acresses posing nude for the issue. --StuffOfInterest 18:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes...quite interesting indeed. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 22:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

How is her name pronounced?

--Greasysteve13 02:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

It's pronounced , or SCAR-lit jo-HAN-sin. —chair lunch dinner™ (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

"Okay. Because I have heard it pronounced both Jo and Yo.--Greasysteve13 06:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, "y" would technically be correct in the original language. —Nightstallion (?) 11:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

marriage

Has she been married? According to his List_of_famous_Old_Sydneians#Sport, she has, to Jason Saunders? I'm not a fan, so maybe someone could check if it's referring to some other Scarlett Johanson or if it's a plain lie. Thanks. "Jason Saunders, famous And1 street basketball player, alias Main Event, formally married to Scarlett Johanson" -Gflores 07:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Give me a break

Whoever wrote this has the right idea:

Her ancestors weren't Polish, they were Jews from Poland. Regardless of how we might like things to have been, before World War II, Gentiles and Jews living in Poland would not have used "Polish" as an ethnic identifier for Jews living in Poland. My grandmother's parents were Jews from Poland, and when she tells stories about her parents' lives, when she says "the Poles" she's always talking about the Gentiles -- she never uses the word to refer to her parents.

Stop living in a politically correct fantasy world. Calling a Jew in Europe "French," "German," etc. is ridiculous, unless they self-identify with that cultural group. It would be like calling a Turkish Muslim living in France "French," with no other descriptor. The problem is that it's imprecise.

While it may be horribly reactionary among the superficially PC set these days to mention the fact that the term "Jewish" refers to both a religious and ethno-cultural group, the fact is that serious scholars (and most Jews) recognize this to be true. The reason why we're not using the parallel term "French Christians" or "German Christians," for example, is because most European Christians descend from indigenous European populations that have been in situ since the beginning of recorded history. Jews, throughout the course of history, have migrated into Europe and tenaciously preserved their religion and culture, in many cases refusing (or being forcibly kept from) assimilating into the surrounding culture--via, e.g., intermarriage, adoption of the surrounding language, etc. The same could be said for some other groups living in Europe, such as the Roma. These groups are almost universally understood to be outside the normal categorizations of "French," "German," etc., for the mere fact that they are not in large part descended from the indigenous/in situ European ethno-cultural groups with whom they cohabitate.

Note: Please post any responses to the above comment so that it is clear that said responses are not part of the comment itself.

The first line is completely inappropriate

Even if it is true, it should be stated in a more correct manner. It looks like this page might should be closed to editing.

"no problem with her male co-stars seeing her breasts"

But it was reported that she asked her costar in Match Point not to look at her behind. it would be nice to have that contrast if someone can find a source ( i think only he mentioned it in interviews). Amo 07:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the quote from Jonathan Rhys Meyers (reported in issue 79 of Stuff magazine) is as follows: "I remember Scarlett telling me not look at her tits. But I did sneak a peek. I couldn't help it; they were in my face." Nothing about her behind, and the quote would seem to be at odds with the idea that she doesn't mind (and it would also seem to be at odds with her request to be topless in The Island). At any rate, it doesn't really seem encyclopedic, and (especially since there's some doubt) I wouldn't include anything about how comfortable or not comfortable she is with nudity. Kafziel 15:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Marie?

Does anyone have a good source for this middle name? (and I certainly don't mean the IMDB) Mad Jack O'Lantern 20:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone added that middle name to natalie portman's article a little while ago (not sure if it's still there), which is also completely unsubstantiated (although unfortunately it was around the same time someone with obvious personal connections of portman and her family was editing). It's not the same user, but then again, the guy who edited Johansson was anon...Amo 21:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Right, right, I remember that "Marie" thing for both of them and I wondered how unlikely it was that an Israeli girl born in Jerusalem would have the middle name "Marie". I doubt it's true. The same person could've submitted "Marie" to the IMDB for Scarlett. Mad Jack O'Lantern 21:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hm, your reasoning on the unlliklyhood of that as her her middle name is a bit of a moot point seeing as her first name etymologically derives from "Christmas"! Amo 13:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
lol, good point I guess. But in any case, I just found it kind of suspicious that the two "Marie"s were submitted at the same time. If I had to guess, I'd say Portman doesn't have a middle name. Maybe Scarlett doesn't either. Mad Jack O'Lantern 18:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyway we can check whether this guy has been adding the name to other articles? Is it possible to check recent "Marie" edits? Amo 00:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Well this is the person who added "Marie" to Scarlett. Doesn't look like any other Marie contributions. Mad Jack O'Lantern 01:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Hm, i meant is there any way to track "marie" edits other than by looking at editors contribs history? Cos they're probably going to be trying to cover thier tracks... Amo 01:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Well I don't think there is... Why, have any more people been "Marie"fied besides these two? Mad Jack O'Lantern 01:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
No, i haven't noticed any - that's my worry. it's the sort of edit that could pass through the net. I was thinking of checing articles to see it he has a pattern. What connects portman and johansson? - Jewish, NYC, actresses... Amo 01:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
lol. I've seen my share of Jewish NYC actresses articles, and I haven't seen anymore "Marie"'s, so... Mad Jack O'Lantern 01:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

miscredits not entirely irrelevant?

i don't feel particularly strongly about this (so i didn't reinstate them myself) but i'm not sure that the info on the other names she has been credited under is totally irrelevant. Sure, a lot of ppl will be surfing wikipedia, and reading about ppl they've already heard about, but surely listing alternative names here helps people who've seen an actor in a film(perhaps under the wrong name) and want to find out about them online? Admittedly that still doesn't really belong in personal life. Amo

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