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June 24

Quotes

How can I get the quotations marks like the ones in this article? Wizrdwarts (T|C|E) 01:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you have to use the {{cquote}} template. Just make an edit like this: {{cquote|Like this}} and there you go:

Road Wizard 01:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Wizrdwarts (T|C|E) 01:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

wikilinks in bold format?

Hi, should wikilinks of characters' or people be in bold? For example, should a wikilink for Mr. George Jones be in bold? I read the Manual of Style, but I didn't find anything relating to fictional characters. An annonymous user bolded the names at

If you need any more info or another example, let me know and I'll try to help.

Cheers. --Starionwolf 02:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

No. In fact, bold should be used very sparingly outside headings and the bolded subject of the article in the lead paragraph. · rodii · 02:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact, headers are bolded automatically if you use the header format. So you should rarely bold anything. Titles of books and movies, I believe, should be in italics, but names should be left as is. - Mgm| 11:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the explaination. I remember that a subject in the lead section or introduction should be in bold. --Starionwolf 20:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, another common use of bold is in table row or column headers. It may be that your anon was thinking along those lines, but it's really not appropriate in that table except for the King/Queen row, I think. · rodii · 21:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Audio pic

Does anyone know the common image I'm thinking about, with a speaker and some "waves" coming out of it? Maybe resembles something like this, {O} ))). Haha, that's not a very good sketch. Or does anyone know a good commonly used picture to represent sound, or audio? Thanks. Hucz 02:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

This one? Image:Sound-icon.svg WP 08:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Or you could use Image:Loudspeaker.png if you want something a bit smaller. Andrew (My talk · World Cup) 18:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Volunteer to patrol vandalism

I'd like to get involved with cleaning up vandalism. I visit Misplaced Pages as a logged in user at least 2-3 times a day, and would like to help out, casually, with vandalism. What page should I look at to get started? (I've tried Special:Recentchanges, but a lot of bots and other users catch the vandalism before I do :). --Silvaran 03:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• Try a counter vandalism tool like User:CryptoDerk's Vandal Fighter or User:AmiDaniel's VandalProof. Other useful pages: Misplaced Pages:Vandalism and WP:CVU. - Mgm| 07:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

stub opinion

I am unsure if this is an appropriate stub linkage. I put a drink stub on Argo Tea. Please give your opinion on the propriety of this. Tony The Tiger 07:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I added a {{Restaurant-stub}} tag. WP 08:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

cooking chicken

when my wife and i cook chicken we pull the skin off then coat it with 4 cs then brown it in a skillet. we then freeze it. when preparing we thaw it out over night how long should i bake in oven in stoneware at what temp? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.151.165.53 (talk • contribs) 08:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. - Tangotango 11:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

change in title of an article

I written an article about a person and now the last name does not begin with a capital letter.

How can that be changed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nico Rose (talk • contribs) 11:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

You can rename the article using the "move" button (to the right of the "edit this page" button). Your account must be 4 days old to move pages. If the move is controversial or impossible, please visit Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Cheers, Tangotango 11:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• That capital letter isn't there because you didn't enter it. The software won't fix such things automatically, because it can't know for sure it's a name. I can move the article for you if you give me the name. It's just a minor mistake, don't sweat it. Just make sure you do it correctly next time. :) - Mgm| 19:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Album Covers

Are album covers copyrighted? Could you check this picture out:]. Is it copyrighted .I need to know what license it is under. Thank you.Ketan 12:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, album covers are protected. Just select the "Album cover" (fair use) license when you upload your file, and make sure it is actually used on an article once it is uploaded. (Fair use images can't just be kept on Misplaced Pages for no reason) Cheers, Tangotango 14:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Military dress medals

Would it be proper to wear these minitures on my DJ's for a civilian summer ball occassion?

Thanks

Leigh —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.106.161.85 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. - Tangotango 14:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Generic image names

What do I do with images that have generic names, like Image:Soviet.jpg and Image:France.jpg? Alr 16:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing.--Commander Keane 17:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

If these names are already in use, you shouldn't try to overwrite the images already there. Instead, if you are uploading a file with the same name, modify the file name in some way, perhaps by adding your Misplaced Pages username (or a shortened form thereof) to it (as I have done with Image:Pennine Way Sign Andh.jpg) or the width or height of the image in pixels. Andrew (My talk · World Cup) 18:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, if you upload an image, make sure your file name is unique. That way you can make sure nothing gets overwritten -- on purpose or accidental. - Mgm| 19:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyright Issues

I want to upload a Google Earth image to illustrate an article about a building which is in the image.

Has NASA taken the Google Earth images?

Are they released into Public Domain?

Is is fair use?

I would be grateful if someone could clear this up for me

4dhayman 16:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

The simple answer is that Google Earth images are commercial and cannot be used in Misplaced Pages. Nasa may have public domain alternative images on the internet, I'm not sure where to check.

That is not fair use.--Commander Keane 17:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

For copyright reasons, I wouldn't use Google Earth images in Misplaced Pages (though they do have copyright indications at the bottom). However, you may be able to use images from World Wind, NASA's free alternative. Andrew (My talk · World Cup) 18:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thumb caption text size

I there a way to cram down the text size in a thumbnail's caption? I tried both <small></small> and  without effect. WP:PIC and WP:EIS were no help. Thanks in advance.--Fuhghettaboutit 17:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

<small></small> works for me, but if the thumbnail is too small you may have to set it manually, i.e. <span style="font-size: 5px">Example</span>, which turns out as Example (of course you want it higher than 5px!) fetofs 17:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Aha. I guess the small size of the thumbnail was the reason <small> wasn't working; span class did the trick. Thanks!--Fuhghettaboutit 20:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

foods and their nutrients

--205.188.116.71 20:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)Dear Sir:

Where may you send me, I wish to find out which foods offer what nutrient value.

Vitamin A is in these foods

Vitamin C is in these foods

Folate is found in these foods

Potasium in these foods

Where may I find a more complete list in addition to these 4 examples?

If a doctor tells me to get more potassium in my diet I will eat --------- Thank you, Audrey Ruddy

You may find the article sections on good sources of Vitamin A, sources of Vitamin C, Folate in foods, and Potassium in one's diet useful. As for a complete list, the vitamin table is certainly useful, and poking around the nutrition article will lead to further information on a balanced diet. For further dietary concerns, please consult the science reference desk. I hope all goes well. Dar-Ape 21:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

comprehensive system of education in U.K.

How succesful has this system been academically?

In what sense? against other international systems? Against previous systems? --Charlesknight 21:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:WEB and Alexa rank

Hi, I was working through some of the articles for deletion and was looking at some of the articles promoting web sites. They often evidently fail WP:WEB but sometimes in the vote, alexa traffic rankings are used as implications of notability. If a website cannot be differentiated by WP:WEB or other means, what kind of traffic ranking would we consider notable? Do we have to take into account the whole "Alexa toolbar users only" thing? Anand 22:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:WEB is only a guideline. People are free to use it as a guideline to establish notability, but can use whatever criteria they choose if they feel its notable enough for some other reason. They have to be prepared to defend their reason, and a high traffic rank is usually a pretty easily defendable thing. If it shows in the top 100,000 websites (Which is what Alexa will show in graphs) you're probably not going to get an article that easily deleted unless there are other problems with it (OR, blatant advertisting, etc) at which point many people will call for clean-up rather than delete. --Crossmr 02:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• If you know of another way to reliably measure the amount of unqique visitors to a site, you're welcome to use that too. Alexa ranks may not be accurate when they are about sites not often visited by non-Alexa users, but with ranks over 2 or 3 million, it's usually pretty clear it hasn't got much visitors no matter how you measure it. - Mgm| 07:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys! Anand 17:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

images

Whenever I attempt to upload an image it doesn't work because the image type isn't recommended, how do I convert to .jpg? ReverendG 00:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally, whatever image editor you are using gives you the ability to save in many different formats (including jpg). --Porqin 01:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• What type of image were you trying to use? =- Mgm| 07:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

June 25

How to report an IP for Vandal

There is a person that constantly removes all the external links and places couple of his/her own links there. It is not a registered editor and it only show the IP address. --Carcrazy 00:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Please visit WP:AIV. Thanks. --Porqin 01:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Japanese names

I'm writing an article on a japanese person, however in the naming portion, I don't know how to write japanese symbols. Could someone please help? And also, how do you create new categories? --Summonmaster13 01:00 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The easiest way is if you can find it online, just copy and paste it. Otherwise, you'll need to use an IME. For Windows, you can download it someplace on the microsoft site, just search for Japanese IME. You'll also need asian character support installed. Look in control panel -> regional settings. That's just to see them at all, if you can see them, you have that part. If you're using Mac, OSX comes with built in support for writing Japanese I believe, you'd have to search the help to find out how to use it. Once IME is installed, it's a bit nonintuitive - you have to set it to writing in japanese, and there's a few settings, that I've never been able to read as I can't read Japanese, so I just click them til it works. When typing, every syllable you write will then convert into kana. If you want kanji, hit space while the right part is underlined (which it does as you type). -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 01:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

If you are unsure about what Japanese characters to use, you can ask at Misplaced Pages:Japan-related topics notice board as well. To create a new category just include ] on a page you want in the new category. This will show up as a red category link, and then you can click this and add at least ] to the category (to link it in to the category structure). There are a LOT of categories, so you might want to look around and make sure the category you're creating doesn't already exist. Please see Misplaced Pages:Categorization for more details. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Confused by editing/submitting process/FAQs

While trying to submit to Misplaced Pages, I was very confused by the editing/submitting process. I have something I want to add on an article, but I can't seem to figure out how I should go about doing that.

--Kel-E 02:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Click edit on the page or the appropriate section and make your changes. Hit preview if you like to ensure things look like they should, and press submit. That is all there is to it. --Crossmr 02:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Looking for name of template similar to spoiler template

Looks just about the same, but it's about wrestling, and reads something like "the following section may contain ???, and may speak about ficticious something something as if they were real". I can't seem to find it anywhere again, and I can't remember what the ??? word is to look it up. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 02:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

(tag removed to avoid category on page)

That one? ~Kylu (u|t) 02:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

No, no it looks just like the {{spoiler}} tag in size and shape. It's saying that the section is fiction, not that it needs to be cleaned up. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 03:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I found it! Guess it doesn't really look like spoiler tag anymore though. It's {{Kayfabe disclaimer}}-Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 03:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Page

I recently created an article about John Lazzaro, a candidate for the Massachusetts State Senate, but the page seems to have been deleted. Could someone explain why this happened? Thanks

There was an Article for deletion on it at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/John Lazzaro --GeorgeMoney 02:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Drop in alexa rankings

I was just looking at the Awareness Statistics and I found that Misplaced Pages's daily ranking dropped down to 30. I don't see how it's possible for the rankings to drop to a yearly low in Mid-June. Is the alexa ranking going to start decreasing now?

I just checked, and the ranking is at 16, and hasn't been at 30 since January. Gyre 06:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

1967 music

where can i find a COMPLETE list of 1967 music played on A.M. radio? ... OTHER THAN IN MY DREAMS! thanking you Mable bakermable baker

• I doubt you can. Even in 1967, there'd be multiple AM radio stations running, and it's quite possible they didn't save their playlists at the time. Besides, you didn't even specify a country. Getting a worldwide list of such songs is definitely not possible. - Mgm| 07:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Citing a Court Case Correctly

Ste4k wrote: Hi! I could use some help citing a court case but am unsure what the acceptable manner to do that is. I would like to change the current version from an opinion to the actual title of the document. I am just having trouble figuring out what the actual title of this court case would be. Thanks!

Hi. You probably don't want to cite that opinion as judge Sweet vacated it at least in part. To be more precise, in the published decision at (note the following citation format I use, which may help you with your question; I am a practicing attorney in New York, and this is how the published decision I am referring to would be cited in legal papers) Penguin Books U.S.A., Inc. v. New Christian Church ..., 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 7330 (S.D.N.Y., 2004), judge Sweet states: "The preliminary injunction granted by the Court in its opinion dated July 25, 2000 and by order dated September 6, 2000, along with the stipulation and further order of preliminary injunction dated January 17, 2001, are hereby vacated, dissolved, and of no further force and effect." Note that the opinion you have linked to, dated July 21, 2000, is unsigned and is likely the referred to "opinion dated July 25, 2000." Since you probably don't have access to Lexis or Westlaw, drop me a line on my talk page if you want me to post the text of the published decision on your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit 07:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Muse.svg

I created the image Image:Muse.svg yesterday from Muse Logo.png using Inkscape. I saved it as an "Inkscape SVG". It showed up perfectly on my computer using Inkscape and Internet Explorer. When I uploaded it, it showed a red X. I then resaved it as a "Plain SVG" and uploaded it again. The same thing happened. Does anyone know what the problem is? Thanks Mahahahaneapneap 11:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Your file is just an SVG wrapper with a link to the original PNG image. If you think about it, that makes sense--there's no way Inkscape could look at the PNG bitmap and figure out how to redraw it in the vector format SVG uses. So you didn't really redo the Muse logo as SVG, you just created an SVG file that consists mainly of a pointer to the original image. And since the URL in that link is just "Muse.png" it won't work except from within one particular directory on whatever machine contains Muse.png. · rodii · 16:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyright logos in svg format can't be used in Misplaced Pages, since part of the fair use claim is that the image is low resolution (svgs are not low res).--Commander Keane 18:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Special pages

I have two questions. First, which users are able to modify the Special:Specialpages because it could use a better structure and organsation. And second, where is the place where I can request a special page. Thank you. CG 14:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Special pages, including Special:Specialpages, are implemented in the software so only developers can change them. Changes and enhancements are treated just like bugs, so the right spot is Misplaced Pages:Bugzilla. You can either use the mailing list or enter a bug report in bugzilla. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

HV engineering

sir / madam

i'm unable to search topic related to high voltage engineering subjects. help me.

Ms. akila elango

(Removed email address: SPAM is not as tasty as you'd think.) EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 14:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

You could try taking a peek at the Science reference desk, who are probably more suited to answering your question. Hope this helps! EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 14:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Harriet.jpg

The text of Image:Harriet.jpg is talking about Harriet but the picture isn't about it. I'm confused. Could someone more experienced take a look and try to figure out if it is an edit gone wrong or vandalism The bellman 15:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, apparently it is vandalism. I have reverted the image to the earlier version. --WinHunter 15:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Copywright problems?

I recently created an article, but it was labled as a copywright infringement, because I copied it from another website. I don't get what's wrong with that. Doesn't Misplaced Pages use the GFDL liscense?

GFDL means all information in wikipedia are published using GFDL only. However, information from other sources are licensed according to their copyright policy. So copying information directly from other sites and then paste it into Misplaced Pages is likely an copyright infringement. --WinHunter 16:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, Misplaced Pages uses the GFDL, but in all likelyhood the other site doesn't. Text that isn't released under a free license like the GFDL or a compatible Creative Commons license is not free. Copying it would basically be stealing from whoever wrote or owns the work. See Copyright (note the spelling) it's a about 'rights' not 'writing'. 'wright' has nothing to do with it. - Mgm| 16:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I move part of my User:Talk page to a User: subpage?

I have a nice big welcome message from an Admin on my User:Talk page. I'd like to move it to a subpage of my User:Talk but I want to do it the right way, including the edit history of the welcome message?

I know that if I cut and past Wiki content I would lost the history. If I use Rename will that turn my main Talk page into a big redirect, or could it still be used as a Talk page?

I'm just trying to learn some good Wiki habits and this is as good a time as any to learn how to move sections from one page to a sub page without mangling anything. Thanks! Dick Trauma 16:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Dick. You might want to read Misplaced Pages:How to archive a talk page. -- Reinyday, 16:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
• In short. Using the move button also moves the history. - Mgm| 16:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
• In short, it is common practice to cut and paste the content you want to archive. -- Reinyday, 21:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• That is one ungodly big welcome message. It's hard to fault the generous impulse behind the new wave of giant welcome messages, but if I got that I would be annoyed enough to take the option that no one has mentioned, i.e., delete it. It's still there in the history if for some reason you might need it some day. But, wow, too big. · rodii · 02:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikistalking

“It is not acceptable to stalk another editor who is editing in good faith” says WP official policy . Where can I address a formal complaint about an editor who has been stalking me? What can I do to stop him? —Cesar Tort 17:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Start at Resolving disputes or get the advice of a friendly admin. · rodii · 19:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Also assume good faith yourself. The editor in question may just be cleaning up edits of yours that do not follow certain policies you don't know about. If they've been deleting or reverting your edits, a good first step is to ask why and get them to cite a specific policy they're following. - 87.209.70.231 21:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist

Is it possible to create your own watchlist apart from the default one? Skinnyweed 18:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

You can watch a related changes page, i.e., make a subpage and link in it to all articles you would like to watch, then visit http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Recentchangeslinked&target=SUBPAGE fetofs 19:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) Yes. You can make a page called User:Skinnyweed/Watchlist. List the pages you want to watch, and click the "related changes" link on the side of the screen which links to Special:Recentchangeslinked/User:Skinnyweed/Watchlist. What that page does is it shows every change to every page linked to on the watchlist page. --GeorgeMoney 19:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Requesting an image?

The article Drina is in need of a map. Is there a place to request an image (assuming it doesn't already exist)? Mo-Al 19:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed there is. See generally, Misplaced Pages:Requested pictures and, specifically for maps, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Maps/Requested and orphan maps.--Fuhghettaboutit 19:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Find terminal

I have someone flying in on jun 26 2006 and I donot know what terminal she is flying in to . she is flying with sunwing airlines flight # 819 leaving sydney nova scotia at 12:00 pm and landing in toronto at 1:40pm it would be great if u could help me

Two different web sites mention Toronto terminal 1 for Sunwing flights. You may want to call Sunwing's phone number at 1.877.786.9464 or 1.800.761.1711. Shenme 23:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

User Page

Where would I find instructions on how to set up a User Page? -Wat Tyler 21:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Try Misplaced Pages:User page -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 21:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

spaces

Is there some kind of Misplaced Pages convention for articles concerning how many spaces should follow the period that ends a sentence? Thanks.

In HTML, any sequence of whitespace characters (including spaces) is collapsed to just one space. So it doesn't matter whether you use one or two spaces after a period in normal text, it will be rendered as one (which is the correct behavior). Check the source for this comment if you doubt me. · rodii · 23:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Also see Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Spaces after the end of a sentence. Like Rodii says, it doesn't matter so don't change any existing spacing. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Using two spaces behind a period is a leftover from typewriter times. Now that we have computers, we don't need it anymore. - Mgm| 07:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

What template?

There is an article (specifically Knights of the Dinner Table) which both seems to contain factual inacuraccy, and (undisputably) contains plagiarism. How should it be tagged? Mo-Al 23:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Try using {{subst:disputed}} and {{subst:fact}}. The first one is a boilerplate template, so place it at the start of the section/article in question. The second is for adding after an uncited "fact" in an article.

Make sure you're not treading on too many toes before adding the templates by checking the talk page of the article first.

EvocativeIntrigue 00:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

What about for plagiarism? Mo-Al 00:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• If a section is plagiarized (not the entire article), you should not just tag it, but remove it and bring it up on the talk page. Make sure it's not a mere quotation first. - Mgm| 07:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

How to add page content to category

How do I add the content of a page (ex. Chopin) to a category (Composers)?

Please see Misplaced Pages:Categorization#How to put an article into categories. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

June 26

Signature help

Thought I'd ask a question for once: I've rather cunningly managed to intercourse my signature coding up and can't seem to fix it. If anyone has some spare time, could you pop across to my user page and take a look at it please? There's just one very small problem with it which I can't seem to correct, and it's annoying the hell out of me.

I should have known not to play with it, it took me a while to fix the first time round!

EvocativeIntrigue 00:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Too late, I've done it. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE _{TALKTOME | EMAILME} 23:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC) 01:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

dialog box

what would I do if a dialog box is open because I can'not retrive as e-mail document sent to me which is said to be in micosoft word01:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)~~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.245.71.5 (talk • contribs) .

I think this needs more explanation- could you clarify please? EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 11:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Game images

How do I get video game screenshots? GEB-test 02:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, if you are using a computer press print screen on your keyboard. If it's on a TV, you'll need a camcorder and an AC cable (I think, I adress my camera's wires by color or absurd nicknames). If you need any help drop me a message. Yanksox 03:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

You might want to try using Fraps, you can take as many screenshots as you want then without alt+tabbing back to Windows. They are automatically saved in compressed file formats, with the game name and time in the filename. I think you can do all those things with the free version, so you don't need to buy it unless you want all the fancy extras. Icey 12:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that in most games you just press F12. Russian F 21:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Article we created has disappeared

Hello, We created an article some weeks ago on Zak Martin, and it has now disappeared. Can you please tell us why this article was removed, and/or restore it? In addition to being the founder of our organization, Zak Martin is a leading New Age figure, author and antiwar activist. Our intention was to gradually add information to the biographical article we created. Now the original article has disappeared, and in its place is a page with the message "Misplaced Pages does not have an article with this name". Please advise. Lydia Lloyd-Spencer UK Psychics http://www.ukpsychics.com/

According to the deletion log the article was deleted for being a copy-vio. Meaning the contents of the page where copied from somewhere that didn't release the rights to it in standards with the GFDL. If you need anything drop a message. Yanksox 03:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

A quick Googling does seem to suggest that the subject is notable per WP:BIO and WP:NN, and so if you should recreate the article in a fashion that does not infringe on copyright and is compliant with the GFDL, you should be good to go (in the alternative, if the text you added was from a webpage that either you or the organization with which you're affiliated has created and owns, the situation is slightly different, and you may surely prepare the article for recreation and then ask someone for help). Good editing! Joe 04:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

How to find copy editors to help in achieving GA for car article?

How to find copy editors to help in achieving GA for an article? The article that I am refering to is Infiniti G20, which I have put up for Peer Review currently. At Peer Review, I have only gotten help from one fellow. Not that I am not thankful, however, I would like a few more minds on the task. Thanks. Zoli Elo 04:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

You might like to join Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Automobiles and see if you can get anyone from there to help. Alternitively/in addition, you can add one or more of the templates found at Cleaning resources to the top of the page and someone will then know what needs to be done. Viridae 05:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, I am am member of WikiProject Automobiles... I will try a clean up tag as well. Zoli Elo 05:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No probs, any time. Viridae 07:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

n-warning templates

I'm puzzled about templates with the -n character, like the Template:Test2-n. How do you fix the text within the {{}} brackets? --George100 05:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Like so: {{subst:Test2-n|test template}}. Any further probs, drop me a note on my talk page. Viridae 05:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

That expands to this:

Please refrain from adding nonsense to Misplaced Pages, as you did to test template. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox.

Any further probs, drop me a note on my talk page. Viridae 05:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

microprocessors

information about microprocesors—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.187.230.196 (talk • contribs) .

See microprocessors.--Fuhghettaboutit 07:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Junk Article

I came across a really rubbishy article. Not sure where to bring it to anyone's attention:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Matthew_Lee --Mylitta 08:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks like two anonymous users added their own "Matthew Lee"s to the article above the proper entry. I've reverted to the most recent version without these two. Cheers, Tangotango 08:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Spam list location

User:Vinumohs has recently been spamming links to vgreets.com I think blocking them now is a bit premature, but since this links doesn't really contain any encyclopedic info, perhaps I can have it blacklisted to stop the spam? Can someone remind me where the list is located and how to request additions? - Mgm| 09:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

It's on the meta site: try here. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 12:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikifying and cleanup

What is the difference between wikifying and cleanup. SCHZMO ✍ 11:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup is more general, while to wikify is something more specific. From Misplaced Pages:Glossary#W: To format using Wiki markup (as opposed to plain text or HTML) and add internal links to material, incorporating it into the whole of Misplaced Pages. fetofs 11:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

To me "wikifying" is to add the two sets of square parentheses that create a link to another part of WP ,such as Boeing 747. To "clean up" is to correct spelling, grammar, unencyclopedic language, unacceptable links such as Forums, and so on. - Adrian Pingstone 12:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I believe "wikifying" refers more just to the use of wiki markup (e.g. titles use == rather than boldface). Mo-Al 15:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

joining a project

Is there a list of projects I can go to so that I can find the projects I want to join? Thanks. Shannon 11:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is such list. Go to List of WikiProjects. Jacek Kendysz 11:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Why has my entry been removed?

Last year, I made an addition to the entry for "bric-a-brac". In addition to the meaning that is there on the wikipedia, in sewing terms it's also a type of decorative trim. Today, on a whim I went there to read my entry and it's been removed. Why has this happened?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gankaku (talk • contribs) 12:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC).

I've had a look and it seems that a different editor disagreed with it being there. You have two (well three) options - (1) edit it back in, (2) discuss it on the talk page for that entry or (3) ask the user who removed it on their userpage the reasons behind their removal. I would recommend (2) & (3) first. The editor who removed your entry was Zora http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Zora and gave the reason "(Those are embroidered decorative tapes, not bric-a-brac)". You can see this for yourself by clicking on the button labeled "history" on the actual entrypage.

(it's also useful to sign stuff - by clicking the signature button (3rd button from the right).

--Charlesknight 13:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd recommend talking to User:Zora, it's usually faster than discussing it on the talk page, especially if there's only one user to deal with. SCHZMO ✍ 13:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

True, but Zora's on wikibreak right now, so he might not get a quick reply. Probably the best thing to do is re-add the information -- with a reliable source, ideally, and then watch the page and/or the talk page for discussion. -- Powers 13:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Boggle

I'm trying to find a list of Boggle rules, as in, what types of words are allowed and not, such as abbreviations, proper nouns, foreign words etc. Suggestions? Thanks. 65.73.255.203 15:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you loooked at our article on Boggle? If that doesn;t help you can try Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Deleting images?

What's the process to get images deleted? is it similar to AFD? I ask because

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Aniquity.jpg while the original work of this Alex Jackson would seems to misrepesent the existance of such a star trek series? (leaving aside his cheeky claim of copyright on Star Trek!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesknight (talk • contribs)

There is a similar process, see WP:IFD. Prodego !

Deleting

I messed up on a page completely. How do i delete the whole thing?

If you messed up when editing an existing page, you should revert. See the text above the table of contents on the page WP:RV. If you messed up in creating a page, blank it (i.e., edit it, remove all content, and save the blank page) and then tell us here which it was.—msh210℠ 22:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Or if you were the only editor to it, then you can just put {{db-author}} on it and an admin will delete it. --GeorgeMoney 23:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

where is his family now ?

i have a friend who says that he is his grand son name haris masood rasheedi.he is fron gangos. sending u mail from his mailing add .can reply to it as i wanted to know that do they live in india or to some other place.I have hard that mny people call themselves his grandsons and daughter and wanted to bring in noice that it true or not.

This is a question for the Misplaced Pages:Reference Desk, not for here. Please ask it there instead!—msh210℠ 23:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

June 27

Article Reorganization

I'd like to reorganize the various "devil" articles, and I'd like to know how I make sure it's OK with the community and how I do it if it is OK.

Currently, material in the various "devil" articles (especially satan and devil) is not categorized coherently. For example, there's a long etymology of "devil" on the "satan" page, and that should appear (only) on the "devil" page.

I've proposed a restructure on the talk:satan page, but I get the feeling that moving big chunks of text around is something that I should do only with some sort of go-ahead.

And if I get the go-ahead, then are there pointers I should read about how to handle moving big chunks of text around?

Jonathan Tweet 01:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Well for a start be bold. If someone doesnt like it they will move it back. When they do, ask them why and you can try and make an agreement. Secondly, if you really want to gauge concencus you could possibly open a request for comment. Viridae 02:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Article that was deleted

A couple of weeks ago someone (not me) wrote an article on Valleyschwag.com, a new site that, for $14.95/month, sends out Silicon Valley swag (t-shirts, stickers, etc). Someone on the discussion page asked for relevance and I replied. I was on vacation, and now that I'm back, it seems the page has disappeared - the search box brings up no results. Can I see an archive of the request for deletion or the discussion page to find out what happened? Kat, Queen of Typos 01:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Valleyschwag. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Inquiry

Gentlemen,

Greetings of peace! I am on the process of constructing my website about jewelry. I need data to fill-in my website and I was informed that I can make use of your unlimited articles. I wish to know if I would be allowed without any charge to copy articles such as diamonds, rings, etc. and post them on my website for the purpose of providing information to my prospect clients and customers who are searching relevant information about my product. Thank you and please keep me posted on this regard. More power!

Respectfully,

FPSalvacionJr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jongps (talk • contribs)

Absolutely. Although there's a catch - please see Misplaced Pages:Copyrights (the catch is you have to let anyone else make unlimited use of "your" articles as well and acknowledge the authors of the original Misplaced Pages articles). Rather than copyright, this idea is generally described as copyleft. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• On a side note, there's multiple women around here, so addressing the help desk volunteers as "gentlemen" isn't entirely appropriate. Just something to keep in mind next time you ask a question here. - 131.211.210.16 07:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • There are also numerous ruffians, oafs and general ne'er-do-wells on Misplaced Pages who could not be in the least accurately addressed as 'gentlemen'. --Sam Blanning 12:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

permethrin

can i use this for ringworm?

• I have no idea, but I'm guessing the people at the reference desk might have an idea. Please read the instructions on top of this page and note that it's for questions related to editing wikipedia. Factual questions like yours should be at the reference desk. - Mgm| 12:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

SVG logos

Can someone tell me, with certainty, whether or not logos in SVG is against fairuse? User:9cds has said it is against fairuse, and speedy deleted several images I uploaded (which were fairuse, unless SVG IS against it) but, nonetheless, many very obvious examples of SVG fairuse logos exist e.g.: Microsoft. I am also very sceptical of this opinion, as I find it odd that no one has made a bot to find SVG images under fairuse. Is it or isn't it against fairuse? (as long as they aren't rendered as high-resolution) - _хот 14:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You're probably better off keeping fair-use logos as PNG images as these only have a limited resolution. The purpose of SVG is to produce vector graphics, which can be scaled up (or down) without any loss of quality, unlike raster image formats like PNG or JPEG. It is therefore much easier to produce high quality copies of logos produced in SVG, regardless of the resolution at which you originally uploaded it. Andrew (My talk · World Cup) 23:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Full text not displaying after editing article section

I just did some copyediting on Boris Yeltsin, editing section by section. After editing the second section, I previewed and all looked OK, but when I saved the page, all the text after the section I had just edited was not displayed. I went back and pasted the missing article text back in (after editing this missing text), and it's all definitely there in the edit box, but it's still not appearing on the page. I'm still new around here so maybe made a wrong step somewhere ... please let me know how I can fix it. Thanks! Maiya 14:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, how odd. It sounds like you were doing everything OK, so try a little later and if it still doesn't work, come back and tell us/post on my talk page.

(It could have been an edit conflict, though, so do try again.)

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 15:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I have fixed the problem. The ref tags weren't used correctly. Misplaced Pages:Footnotes explains how to use them. Basically you use <ref name="yada"> </ref> rather than <!--ref name="yada"> </ref-->--Commander Keane 15:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Commander. The refs were already there, I didn't touch them, so I'm not sure what happened, but thanks anyway, I'll keep an eye on refs in future. —Maiya 15:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

"Do not post..."

I have a question. I just saw in an editor talk’s page the warning to another editor: “Do not post anything else on my talk page”. The editor ignored the warning, posted a message again and was blocked.

Can anyone ask another editor not to post more messages in one’s own user page and is the editor supposed to comply? Is this an official Misplaced Pages policy or am I missing something? 201.129.208.208 15:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

If the edits were blatant vandalism the user was well within his rights, I suppose, but could have been a little more friendly. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 15:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide me with the links to the said exmaple? If an editor violated WP:SPAM then the talk page owner have every right to ask him to stop. --WinHunter 15:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the example’s link . I’m asking you this to see if I can stop unwelcome messages from a stalker (a totally unrelated case from the cited example BTW). —201.129.208.208 15:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

How does an article show up in the Search results

Hello, I added an article last week, but it does not show up in the search results.

Is more time required to re-build the index, or must I include specific wiki tags?

Thanks!

16:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean.woodward (talk • contribs)

You are correct, the search results are cached, and will take a while to rebuild. I have no idea when that would happen, but... Prodego 16:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Re taxes on bank interest for foreign citizens

I wonder if you could clarify me on the following question: is a foreign citizen not living in America and not a resident alien, subject to pay income tax on his bank savings?

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

David Davidovici —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.0.74.133 (talk • contribs) .

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Garion96 19:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Warning about adding speculative content?

What is the best way to warn editors about not adding speculative content? Over on the List of experiments from Lilo & Stitch: The Series, I've been trying to get editors to not fill in content based upon the name. I've tried Talk notes, edit summary notes, and HTML comments. Is there a template that could be added to the top of the article asking editors to not add made up information? -- Gogo Dodo 20:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

What you did seems like to best way. The talk page and html comments. I don't think a template exists for that. It also wouln't be a good thing if it exists. The readers are the the reason for the encyclopedia, and such a template would be only be handy for editors. Good luck, I know it can be hard to stop speculative unsourced content. Garion96 23:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

|

How do I make one of these: | without having to copy & paste it from another page? I think it's called a pipe. Russian F 21:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, are you sure that you don't have such character on your keyboard? It can be marked also as a 'broken bar' (¦). Jacek Kendysz 21:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Just above the 'enter' key on a US keyboard (same key as \).--Commander Keane 22:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Many Thanks. Russian F 02:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Stabbed in the Talkback

A very rude message was just posted to my talkback section. I deleted it because the coward refused to sign their name; however, I copied and pasted it here for consideration.

This guy is insane, REALLY insane. Read some old posts of his from stephen-king.net he posts as J.M. Sweet. There is also his other name, Dr. Belch, which he uses at TheDarkTower.net.

If you want to get along with him, just remember. the Liberals did it, and catholic school sluts ruined his life.

I am furious. If you have any infomation about who wrote this garbage which you can share, I would appreciate it. We don't need people like this stinking up our fair site. --The_Iconoclast 22:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean your talk page? Check the history availble next to the "Edit this page" button. Wizrdwarts (T|C|E) 22:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

In this case it was added here by 71.197.139.128. Prodego 22:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Elizabeth Brownrigg

I just spent ninety minutes working on an article on Elizabeth Brownrigg, an eighteenth century murderer, but for some reason, although I pressed save page, there was no article received. I was logged in, but there seems to be no record in my history file either. Help!

User: Calibanu12:26, 27 June 2006

The new pages log doesn't show it. Is it perhaps still in your browser history? For future reference, it's generally a good idea to work on new articles in a text editor of some kind (saving occasionally) and, when you're ready, cut and paste it into the submit window. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

An alternative that I use often is to copy all the text to your clipboard before clicking save; put your cursor in the article, click control+A to select all text and then Control+C to copy. If the save doesn't work, it's ready to be pasted into the article upon recreation.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I decided to rewrite the entry in question, which is now available for perusal at the aforementioned entry site : Elizabeth Brownrigg.User: Calibanu 15:38, 28 June 2006

June 28

education system

whats the difference among High School,Junior School,certificate,diploma and Bachelors Degree system61.5.134.146 01:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

If you're asking about the United States, I suggest you read Education in the United States. There are articles about education in other countries as well, see List of education articles by country. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocks

When blocking someone for an incorrect period of time, is it necessary to unblock them first and then re-block them? Or can you simply "overwrite" the block in question? 60.227.18.35 03:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

If a has more than one block in effect, the block with the shortest length will be the one that applies. So if you want to make the block shorter, you can simply add a shorter block. If you want to make it longer, you will have to unblock and then reblock. You could also do that to make it shorter, if you really felt like it. -- Natalya 03:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it is "shortest block wins". You only need to unblock first if you're adding a longer block. Kuru 03:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. You'd think I would have received an edit conflict there. Ignore my late response. Kuru 03:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

How does one comply with the GFDL licence when the source article has been deleted?

Misplaced Pages allows content-reusers to fulfill the attribution requirements of the GFDL by linking back to the original article. What happens if the original article has been, or gets, deleted? Where does that leave the legality of the reuse, since the letter of the GFDL can no longer be complied with?

I am thinking about two situations in particular:

1. A user discovers useful content via a mirror, but on checking back here finds the article has been deleted, thus the page history cannot be copied.
2. A user mirrors an article and relies on a link back to Misplaced Pages to fulfill their GFDL obligations. Then at some point in the future the article is deleted. Now, suddenly and without their knowledge, they are no longer in compliance.

81.174.210.98 03:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the GFDL says anything about "you can fulfill attribution req's by linking back to the original source" - it's your responsibility to fulfill the license, WP does not do that for you. (Disclaimer: I'm not a legal person and really have no idea, but this makes sense to me)--Commander Keane 11:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, to fulfill the GFDL, one would have to link to the full source and history. He's not asking Misplaced Pages to do it, he wants to know how to comply if the article was deleted. I would say first make sure it's not a copyright violation. If it is, Misplaced Pages shouldn't have had it in the first place, so you shouldn't either. For other articles, I've no idea. - Mgm| 12:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the question is asking whether a site that mirrors Misplaced Pages is still obeying the terms of the GFDL if the article on Misplaced Pages is deleted. I think that's a technical issue of mirrors staying in sync with Misplaced Pages content, but I did a quick check of the GFDL license and it doesn't look like there's any provision saying that derivative works (e.g. Misplaced Pages mirrors) must stay in sync with the parent work. I think that would fall under the "Verbatim copying" paragraph of the GFDL. Here's a link to the full text of the GFDL, which may help. --Elkman 19:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I am pretty certain that the GFDL contains nothing saying that you have to stay in sync - FSF claim this condition makes the dmoz licence unfree. As long as the article remains on Misplaced Pages, one can get a transparent copy and author attributions for any version from the history, via a link. My particular concern is paragraph 4.B., which I now see only applies to modified copies, requiring that at least 5 of the original authors be credited. Since normal users can't see the page history for a deleted article, they can't comply. Could one get away with crediting "Misplaced Pages contributors" as per the citation style? If not, shouldn't one be able to access a list of contributors to a deleted article for this purpose? 81.174.208.63 00:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

This comes back to my original thoughts - relying on Misplaced Pages to fulfil your obligations. I think ideally (legally?) you should record the authors and original text at the time that you copy it. Then make the record you kept available to your users, thereby fulfilling the GFDL. --Commander Keane 19:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem is this: my interest in copying an article may well start when I discover it has been deleted from Misplaced Pages. Only once it is no longer available here do I become motivated to host it myself. Neither my own saved copy of the page nor the copies at the major mirror sites will contain the information I need to fully comply with the letter of the GFDL. Misplaced Pages hides it and I don't know who else has it. Is there any way around this, for example a single complete (and moderately out of date) mirror site that maintains page histories locally, as you suggest they should? -81.174.214.236 00:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

content box at the top of the article

Hi, this is regarding the content box at the top of the article which gets created automatically when I add headings and subheadings to the article. If I hide it by mistake, how do I make it appear again? -- Lost 06:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Look in user Preferences up by the login link. Click the Misc tab in "my preferences". Four check boxes down is "Show table of contents (for pages with more than 3 headings)" make sure that is checked. Eagle talk 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean the table of contents is specific to the user and not to the article? -- Lost 06:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

A TOC will autogenerate whenever an article has four or more sections. Unless someone puts _NOTOC_ in the article. Although a user can also set their preferences so that they never see any TOCs. That clear it up a bit? Dismas| 09:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!! -- Lost 09:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Davao City

who are the local officials of davao city?

See Davao City. And in the future, this page is for questions dealing with how to use the Misplaced Pages software. Questions about the outside world and such should be posted to the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk. Dismas| 09:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Equations

Hi,

I tried a while ago to work on some equations to enter into the osmotic pressure article, but it kind of defeated me. What is the best method for entering equations into articles?

Thanks. Materials Girl aka Heather Kauth

See Help:Formula -- Lost 11:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

HTML

how to start html in which editor and how to test ?

• Though I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "start html in which editor", Misplaced Pages:Sandbox is a perfect place to test your edits--TBCTaLk?!? 14:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps.SCHZMO ✍ 14:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• If you want to learn HTML, your local library should have useful beginners guides, but editing Misplaced Pages doesn't require knowledge of HTML, we use wiki markup which you can learn in the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial. - Mgm| 18:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

More signature help

How do I change my signature? I cannot find anything on the guideline pages. I don't want to change what it says, but I would like to change its colour, and have it link to my talk and contribution pages. 0plusminus0 12:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

To change your signature, first click the raw signature box in "my preferences". Then, add <font color="''(color of your choice)''">''(Words you want colored)''</font>. For example: <font color="red">TBC</font> makes TBC. If you want to link to your talk page and contribution pages, simply use regular wiki formating. For example ] makes Talk--TBCTaLk?!? 14:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

A better way, although slightly more verbose, is to use <span> instead of <font>, since <font> is not standard HTML and thus there are no guarantees it will always work. So: <span style="color:red">TBC</span> gives TBC. · rodii · 15:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Last time I checked it was standard HTML, <sarcasm>but someone thought it would make sense to deprecate a tag that explains it edits the behavior of fonts. "Span" makes so much more sense.</sarcasm> - Mgm| 18:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Yep, you're right, it's deprecated. It has never actually been not-deprecated, as far as I know. The arguments for semantic markup + CSS being superior to presentational markup are pretty widely agreed on, and <font> has been controversial ever since Microsoft introduced it as a non-standard tag during the browser wars days. *shrug* Enjoy your sarcasm. · rodii · 22:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Plant-stub template

Hi, I am trying to edit the plant stub's template to direct users to the WikiProject Plants but the template is protected. How do I go about editing/adding to the template? I don't really want to create a new stub and then have to go into each stub article to add it. Thanks Lynnathon 13:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

You will need to ask an administrator to either unprotect the template or make the change for you. As it is a stub template, you had best contact an administrator involved in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting. Two such admins who may be able to help are User:Alai and User:Grutness. Hope this helps. Road Wizard 13:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

But I don't think your suggestion is a very good idea - It seems to break both WP:ASR and the format of any other stub template. Of course, creating a new stub and putting it in all the relevant pages would be terrible - If the template is protected, it's for a reason, which is so that large-scale changes will not be made without giving them some thought. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Other stub templates already do this, and WP:ASR mentions that stub templates are one of the few exceptions to this guideline. Certainly, the basic text of even {{stub}} is blatantly self-referential. — Estarriol 17:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, objection withdrawn. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I asked User:Alai for guidance. Lynnathon 17:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

User Page

My User Page is not very cool. Is there a page on Misplaced Pages with tips on improving one's User Page? Ordinary Person 14:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Practice makes perfect. :-) There is a program to get design help, at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject User Page Help. Prodego 14:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

How to Print in Misplaced Pages without having links show up in the final document

I am having a problem printing a certain Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_counties_in_Virginia when I print this document, each link within the document is expanded to show its full path after it is printed out. So, essentially the source of each link is printed, instead of just the display name itself. this is very annoying. please help!

Hello. Before printing, click the "Printable Version" link. This will eliminate your problem. -- MisterHand 15:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No, the printable version is exactly what he's talking about . The URLs of all the external links show up. SCHZMO ✍ 15:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...looks fine to me. I just printed it out myself. -- MisterHand 15:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Aha, nevermind. It's a skin issue. Looks great in Cologne Blue (which I use), but the links show up in MonoBook (default). -- MisterHand 15:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The printable version looks fine to me in Mozilla Firefox. The skin only matters on the screen version, not the print version as the print version shows just the article. Harryboyles 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm also using Firefox, and the printable version is most certainly changing depending on my skin. -- MisterHand 15:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

So, it looks like whatever skin I might have, it's causing these links to appear when printed? Seems very odd to me. There's got to be a way to get out of this 'mode', such that the entire link paths do not show up.

Hi, thanks for the responses. First of all, where is this Printable Version link located? Secondly, even when obtaining this printable version (I got there using Schzmo's link), the external links still show up in the Print Preview. Maybe it is a computer setting, I'm not sure. But, the print version definitely looks nothing like it does on the explorer view.

The "printable version" link appears on the left when you are reading an article. -- MisterHand 15:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Under "Toolbox" Harryboyles 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Stacking templates

According to Help: A_quick_guide_to_templates multiple templates can be used on a page. Is there a way of stacking templates so they appear one under the other in all screen sizes? The article I'm working on is Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, which has Infobox_Australian_Town and Austlocalgovtarea templates. - Gimboid13 16:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Try moving the code for the lower template out and placing it beneath the top template's code. this seems to work sometimes. If you need anymore help, feel free to use my talk page. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 16:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Fray or Friar??

To whom it may concern: while doing some editing of the Aztec related articles within Misplaced Pages, I was puzzled by the term "Fray", which appeared as something of a title or descriptive term in front of several names. I have since learned that "Fray" is a Spanish term meaning "Friar". I am wondering therefore if we should not be using "Friar" instead of "Fray" in, for example, this article on Fray Juan de Torquemada. I would suggest "yes" since (a) this is the English Misplaced Pages and (b) the term "Friar" is understood by more average readers than is "Fray".

Thoughts anyone?? Madman 17:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Jacek Kendysz 17:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I recently finished the translation of an article about a Spanish bishop and dealt with this same issue. Although I am not a native speaker, my best understanding is that friar is fraile in Spanish, whereas Fray means brother, but is an honorific and is immediately understood as not meaning "biological brother," for which hermano would be used. .--Fuhghettaboutit 20:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This question was asked simultaneously at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Language, so it might be best to leave any answers there. Road Wizard 20:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

To answer the meta-question of the appropriate location for this issue, I'd say we're at least close to the right place. The question is one of style rather than of fact, so I don't think the Ref Desks are where we want to go. The Manual of Style also attempts to address the correct use of titles and styles; I'm not sure if there should be a title in the article name at all. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Need to remove first image which I replaced with same but different file name.

Hi, Sorry to bother you, but I'm in panic station. I uploaded an image a short while ago - a screenshot of Urban Registry Search results. I then changed the file name but I now see that the same file with two different names is online (I'm very embarrassed). Please guide me on how I can remove the first one. The second, more recent one can stay. The image simply illustrates what users can expect to see when they use such a service. Appreciate your help in this matter. Also, is it not possible to have the screenshot on the same page as the Urban Registry wiki? Please advise. Thanks in advance. --Pictowrit 17:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• I've deleted one of the images and left Image:ManhattanRentals UR June2806 Screenshot.gif as I thought it had the more descriptive file name. In the future, you can tag accidental duplicates by adding {{db|accidental duplicate of <image name>}} to the top of the image information page and an administrator will come to delete it, or alternatively, you can contact one directly (like me) and ask for them to delete the image on their User talk page. - Mgm| 18:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Changing Skins / Print Problems

I hate to be repetitive, but this issue is really bugging me. This message is related to the message I left above about printing. How does one change their Misplaced Pages skin such that printing a page like >> http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_Virginia_counties >> results in a printed page that does NOT show all the external links (the entire path printed out). If you look at the printable version of that page, each external link is shown in its full path form (at least, that's the way it looks AND prints for ME). Some users don't seem to have this problem, and others do. what gives? thanks..

I gave it a try and I'm getting the same problem- any ideas, anyone? EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 21:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This question was first posted just two or three messages above at Misplaced Pages:Help desk#How to Print in Misplaced Pages without having links show up in the final document; please try not to post multiple messages regarding the same problem. As was suggested above, the links on that page look fine in the Cologne Blue skin. To change your skins, go to Special:Preferences, click on the Skin tab, select Cologne Blue, and click Save. Then try opening the printable version again. --Kwekubo 21:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Can't Log In...

Please help me. I've tried everything to try and log in. I've seen the troubleshoot page, reconfigured IE and Firefox to accept all cookies, monitor my date and time, turn off all firewall software and I still can't log on. What's weird is that this seems to be an on and off occurence, since some days I do all of the above and I log in, yet other days it just won't let me. Please, I need some help. 66.82.9.53 21:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

That's odd. Have you tried restarting your computer? That usually sorts most problems. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 21:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Redirect link to a user page

I was just wondering if we are allowed to put a redirect link on our user pages. For example, my user page is User:Tuspm and I was wondering if I could create a redirect link for Tuspm so that when people input "Tuspm" in the search box, it'll redirect them to my user page. Are we allowed to do this? Thanks! --Tuspm 21:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No, cross space (e.g. article space to user space) redirects are frowned upon. Sorry. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 21:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• I've tried putting my name in the search box. Of course, there's no article with the exact title "MacGyverMagic", so instead of trying to direct me to that page, I get pointed to the search engine, which searches all namespaces, including the userspace. My userspace is the first hit I get. Once the search index is reindexed it will include your name too, but this usually takes a lot of time. - Mgm| 21:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Crime in Canada

The Crime in Canada article is pretty good and it has a lot of 'facts', but it does not give ANY references. Is there a way to tag a page as one that is in need of sources for its info? Is there a taskforce dedicated to cleaning up articles with this problem? Phauge 22:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Sources of articles may be useful for you. Jacek Kendysz 22:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The { {Unreferenced} } tag worked perfectly for this. Exactly what I was looking for. Phauge 23:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

how do I watch a movie?

how do I watch a movie?-joe0229

All Misplaced Pages movie clips are in the Ogg Theora format. Once you click on the file and save it to you computer, you need to open it in a program that supports Ogg. I use VLC media player which works fine for me. There is more support and ideas at Misplaced Pages:Media help (Ogg).--Commander Keane 00:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Editcountitis

"...editcountitis can be fatal..." Newbiness notwithstanding, what the heck does this mean??? Thx. --130.126.81.149 23:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This refers to the practice of constantly counting how many edits you have made to Misplaced Pages. Your contributions can be found at Special:Contributions/130.126.81.149. Some people get caught up in getting a large number of total edits. See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject edit counters and Misplaced Pages:Edit count for more information.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 23:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks!. --130.126.81.149 00:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

June 29

Space

Simple question- how do I make a space longer than 1 space in an article? (Like on Microsoft word, one only needs to press the space bar as many times as desired). Also- How do I change the point (Font Size) of a word? Russian F 01:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Generally you can't add more than one space between words because it collapses extra spaces like HTML does. What do you need it for? Font size can be changed using an HTML font or span tag, but again, these should be rarely used in articles. If you want to use alt font size in headers, simply use the wiki header format. - Mgm| 04:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Trivia sections in articles

Could someone please direct me to the policy concerning the inclusion of trivia sections in articles? Alr 03:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The policy is Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not#Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There's an essay at Misplaced Pages:Trivia (neither guideline nor policy). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

How can I add my own page

Hi

I was just wandering how can I make my own page for Misplaced Pages

From Alex Gilbert

http://www.alexgilbertstudios.blogspot.com -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex436 (talk • contribs)

See this: MediaWiki_User's_Guide:_Starting_a_new_page. However, let me clarify, you can create your own userpage if you want to write about yourself. An article page needs certain criteria. I have put a welcome message on your talk page with some links. You would do well to go through them. -- Lost 06:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Expansion templates

In mediawiki were would the expansion templates be, that is, when use the {{expand}} code, where can i go to and change that on my mediawiki site?

Lyrics

Verbatim lyrics are a copyvio, right? (Looking at the page FILTH here.) Should the lyrics section be removed or a copyvio tag be placed? --ColourBurst 06:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Posting all the lyrics is a copyright vio. Quoting sections of the lyrics for the purposes of giving a reference for encyclopedic material is okay though. I've removed the section. Dismas| 06:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Great then, I did the same thing for the rest of Dir en grey's albums. --ColourBurst 07:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP...ive asked but to no avail!

Please somebody help...how do i customize the template for when i use the {{expand}} code in mediawiki...thank you...

Templates can be edited like any other article by prepending the template name with "template:". In this case, type Template:expand in the search box, then you'll be able to edit it. Please note, however, that templates like that one should not be changed without a very good reason - it is definitely best to seek consensus on the template's talk page before making any changes. -- Ferkelparade π 08:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

What you could also do is substitute the template (see:Misplaced Pages:Template substitution) and then make changes to just that page in the next edit. That should give you the desired changes without affecting the template in question -- Lost 09:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Userpage formatting help project

I know there's a userpage formatting project, I read about it a few days ago, but I can't find the link in the help desk, newcomer's help desk, nor in any link on Misplaced Pages:Userpage or the list of WikiProjects. Do I need to have my eyes checked or is it somewhere else? - Mgm| 10:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's the complete list of wikiprojects. I couldn't find any like the one u mention. All the best searching through it: Misplaced Pages:List of WikiProjects -- Lost 10:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• I already tried there, but luckily enough Google is my friend: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_User_Page_Help. - Mgm| 10:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

verifiable sources

Does content on talk pages have to be based on verifiable sources? Does it have to be under the GFDL? The edit page says it does but that doesn't make sense. MUSICAL 10:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• All Misplaced Pages pages are licensed under the GFDL, no exceptions. However, since talk pages can also include opinions, it'd be nonsense to require sources for all edits there. If however, they are about changes to articles, having reliable sources handy on talk pages is a good thing to do. - Mgm| 11:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing it does have to be under the GFDL, since people are free to copy content from those pages for their own use (including the code from your signature). Try the Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Coffee Lounge if you want to talk about stuff that's not verifiable, there's usually someone around to listen, but articles should be based on verifiable sources. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 11:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone should submit a bug report to fix the message on the edit page. MUSICAL 11:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Bug report is not necessary. Is the current wording satisfactory? -- Rick Block (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It currently says that content must be verifiable, even when you edit a talk page. MUSICAL 11:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

editing problem?

I'd like to add an item to the page Fictional trees, but when I hit Edit, I don't seem to get the page itself, but a list of categories. Sorry if this is a naive question, but what's going on here? Thanks Adambrowne666 11:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

That is because the above page is not a page but a category. If you want to add this category to a page, go to that page and add Category:Fictional trees to the bottom of the page. See Misplaced Pages:Category schemes for more info -- Lost 11:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

great, thanks -- Adambrowne666 21:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Requesting a page be expanded

Hey, how do I request that a page be expanded? I hate to ask as I know if I had a lot of time I could find the answer - but a quick search returned no promising results and so yeah.. Any answer much appreciated 203.109.168.238 12:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Just put the {{expand}} template at the top of the talk page of the article. Also try to ask for help in the projects where that article belongs -- Lost 12:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

deleting an article

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to delete a recent article named "Konstantinos Timvios" because apparently that person has found it offensive. Please let me know ASAP how i can do that or at least how i can edit it.

Please tell me as soon as possible.

Thank you in advance, Lambrini

The article in question is already tagged for deletion. If you differ with the criteria for deletion or think that you can make the article better, please put the {{hangon}} template on the article and discuss on the talk page why you think the article should not be deleted -- Lost 13:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

TV Screencaptures from message board web sites - are they OK?

I have found a screencapture here that would go well in the WPVI-TV Personalities article. Is it OK to use this and place it in the article with the "TV Screenshot" copyright tag? Wrath of Roth 14:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

If it is a screencapture it's a screencapture, i.e. it doesn't matter who captured it...so yes, you may upload it as a screencapture using that license tag.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 15:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

delete image file

Could you please delete this image?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/KatherinMcCarron.jpg

I thought I had sufficient permission to upload it but do not. (I did not take it.)

Thank you.

Autismvox 15:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The said image is on Misplaced Pages commons, you should go to Commons:Deletion requests and provide rational for deleting. --WinHunter 16:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

waiting on references

If you ask for references on a claim or piece of information in an article, what is a reasonable amount of time to wait before removing the information if no citation is forthcoming? a day? 3 days? a week? indefinitely?

I'm also wondering if there is an unreferenced template like the cleanupdate template that lets you put in a date (its obviously not unreferenceddate). --Crossmr 18:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't see one here, so doubt it exists! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 19:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I usually wait about a week, at least. There's no standard that I know of. I figure that usually there's no hurry, but a week ought to give anyone watching the page time to respond (at least with a message, if not the citations). Sometimes of course they'll be away, but there's always the page history for them also. Also, when I remove unsourced material, I often copy it to the talk page with perhaps a description of the reason. This gives a person ready access to it if they come up with sources. Herostratus 02:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

that sounds fair , thanks!--Crossmr 02:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

copy of userpage

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Charlesknight This seems to be a duplicate of my usertalk? how do we get rid of it?

--Charlesknight 19:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Just add {{prod}} to the top of the page... It should be done soon enough unless somebody contests the deletion. For exact usage, see here Template:Prod-- Lost 19:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added {{db-talk}} to the top of the page as it fits in Misplaced Pages's category for speedy deletion (G8). It will be deleted shortly. --Zoz (t) 19:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Characters

Hi, This is more a technical software question than a wikipedia issue, but here it goes. What specific package do I need to install on my computer so that I can see the Japanese characters? I'm not sure if it's kanji or katana that I want to be able to see, but right now all I'm getting when I visit, for example, Naruto is a bunch of tiny squares! Thanks! --Adrienne 128.174.193.90 19:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Assuming WinXP, go to Start > Settings > Control panel > Regional and language options (slightly different name on older OSes) > Languages tab > choose "Install files for East Asian languages". You may need your Windows installation disc to complete it. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Oh, and also (or if that is already done), the encoding for the web page needs to be set to Japanese. Generally the browser will figure this out on its own, but if not, right click on the window, go to encoding > auto-select should work, or choose Japanese (Shift-JIS) if not. In Firefox, it's in View menu instead. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 19:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Enabling East Asian characters should help. I think it's an operating system related thing, and you didn't say which OS you use. I use Windows XP and I just had to go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options > Languages (tab) > Install files for East Asian Languages (tick).--Commander Keane 19:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Got it running now. Still can't understand the characters, but at least now I can see them -- yay! -- Adrienne 130.126.24.151 01:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, katakana are parts of words and katanas are swords. If you need to look up the characters you'll be really confused if you try to look up katana. --ColourBurst 06:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

What does (top) mean in contributions?

For example, look at my contribs. (It's the little star triangle in my sig). Most of the edits there show (top) after the summaries. I always assumed that meant I was editing from the top section (edit this page) rather than editing a single section. But now that I happened to pay any attention to it, I see that isn't the case, as almost all those entries were section edits, as is shown by the gray text naming the section, before my summary. So what does the (top) actually mean? -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 19:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It means your edit was the last edit done to that page. --Crossmr 19:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression it was displayed if you just edited the top of the page- the introduction. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 20:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Crossmr is right. It's the top version of the pile so to speak. - Mgm| 22:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Legend of Zelda Cont.

Some of your Zelda fan sites are not very clear.

GameFAQs.com and ZeldaGuide.com are much better fan sites.

Also there needs to be a larger variety of links. ~~Żęıďą ɱαşťəɽ~~

Misplaced Pages isn't a collection of links, it's an encyclopædia, so some articles may not be of a standard of other topic-specific sites such as GameFAQs.com! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 22:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

oversized image

i accidently put an oversized image into the link http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_Final_Fantasy_X_characters#Standard_aeons its titled- Lord_braska.jpg (50KB, MIME type: image/jpeg) i was wondering how to remove it. when i go to the edit page the file isn't there.

It appears to be located in the section called Biran and Yenke. If you edit that section you will find the full size image and a 100 pixel version at the bottom of the section. Road Wizard 21:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Ignoring Zelda

Is there a problem with your response? I could use a "yes we will see to that" or a "Oh I see what you mean". This is directed towards you who awnser this "stuff". ~~ZELDA MASTER~~

See above. Also, please note at the top of the page it does say please be patient!. If you want to contribute to the articles yourself, take a look at the introduction. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 22:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Doing a quick search on this page for the word "patient", I can only find it once (in your comment above). However, it does appear at the top of the Reference desks. As we don't appear to have one, should we add a "please be patient" message here? Road Wizard 22:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Good point- I assumed the intro text was the same for both pages! I think that would be a good idea, though. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 22:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

GOOD OBSERVATION. -END OF LINE-

,.,.,.,.,.,

Edited to reflect this. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 22:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Awnser Recieved For Zelda

Sorry just letting you KNOW! I get your point now. I did not know you could just not change those out every now and then. Like rotata your stuff around dude. NOT add links galore. -END OF LINE-

This is done to a certain extent already: editors try to include just the most relevant links, but feel free to join in! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 22:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Templates on my user page

I need to get the two templates on my user page on separate lines, with the VandalProof one below the other. If someone could show me how to do this or do it I would be grateful. --robertvan1 22:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed it. Is that what you wanted? --GeorgeMoney 22:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Last Zelda

Im truly sorry for the outburst. Good job on keeping this sit going. I really like the way you handle this place ;)

          Truly,
      ~~Zelda master~~

Editing Edit Summaries

Just a wonder... but is it possible for admins to edit edit summaries? --Domthedude001 22:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Nope. It is possible for admins to delete specific revisions from an article's edit history, if there's something particularly inappropriate about an edit summary. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. --Domthedude001 02:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

June 30

Copied Works

Hey there. I have a question on how to handle a certain page. The entry is directly copied from an external website. Is there a template I can put there to announce it needs to be rewritten or there another way it is done? Thanks Benje309 03:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

What to do is explained at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems. Thanks very much for noticing (and taking care of it). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

KFC

Whats the urrent market situation for the kentucky Fried Chicken? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Juj (talk • contribs) 05:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC).

• No idea, but I'm pretty sure this belongs on the reference desk where people answer outside world questions. This page is for help about Misplaced Pages. While you're at it, you may also want to get a little more specific. What country? What do you mean by "market situation"? Do you want to know sales, something else? -- Mgm| 07:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Editing page titles

Hi - To my surprise, I discovered that someone created a page about a relative of mine...and that they spelled his name wrong. I was able to change the spelling in the text of the page, but not in the title. How can I fix that? Thanks.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Albatrossgordon (talk • contribs) 06:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC).

You can use the move page button on top to move the page to the proper name. --WinHunter 06:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

See also Help:Moving a page. I moved the page for you. Deltabeignet 06:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

False Claim of Vandalism

I've been seeing a lot of incorrect information on the article on Sol Badguy. I've found a very accurate outside resourceand changed the information. I recieved a note saying it was incorrect and they labeled it as my "vandalising" the article. May I ask why they call my helping vandalism and where they got their information?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.57.188.175 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC).

Hi. The reason it was apparently assumed to be vandalism is because though you're telling us here that you have a good source, and providing that source, you made that edit without providing any substantiation or an edit summary describing anything about why you were reversing "won" to "lost". You have to understand that we are unfortunately plagued by vandalism. There are many hundreds if not thousands of edits by users everyday intentionally introducing nonsense into articles, sometimes maliciously, sometimes just to confirm whether they can really make real time changes just like that. I think what happened here was your edit, without an edit summary, had some of the hallmarks of vandalism, and without actually knowing, it was assumed to be. I think if you provided an edit summary, such as, "he didn't win but in fact lost; see ," your edit would not have been reverted. Please don't let this discourage you. By the way, this is also less likely to happen if you sign up for a username. I am leaving some useful links on your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit 07:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Source information

Can this Template:PD-Soviet be used without mentioning the actual source like a URL or book? Because anyone could use that template with any image and no more questions would be asked. There is no source location mentioned for this Image:Bataille-sm.jpg, and it seemed to me that this was not enough, but after placing Template:No source I wasn't sure. Best regards, Ilse@ 08:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No. This image is mistagged. Georges Bataille was a French writer, and I don't see at all why this photo should be a Soviet work or have been published first in the USSR. (Besides, that tag is disputed anyway.) There's absolutely no proof. Tagging as {{subst:nsd}} was the right thing to do. Lupo 09:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, source should be provided to all images (whenever possible) so that the copyright status can be verified. --WinHunter 09:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• All images should have information on their copyright status and their source, so the source can be used to verify the correctness of the copyright tag. Not providing source information easily gets an image deleted. - Mgm| 11:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. Best regards, Ilse@ 21:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

how to sort list elements in wikipedia?

Hi,

I would like to add some data into wiktionary. I added in random. Now I want to sort them. Is there a way to do that?

You'd have to do it manually as far as I know. You may also want to try the Wiktionary help desk (if they have one). See the tutorial (Misplaced Pages) for more information on how to order lists! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 10:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary's version of the help desk can be found here. Road Wizard 20:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

translation: People at the back coud not hear the speaker. The speaker could not....... (make) the people at the back

Tag for incorrect statements

In the article Doug Walters, in the section Test cricket career, there is a statement that is cited and came from a reputed source, but which is almost certainly incorrect. I have currently hung a 'citation required' over it, but it is not the correct one for this purpose. Is there any tag which can suit this particular requirement till I can find enough evidence to remove it altogether. Tintin (talk) 13:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I suggest using {{Disputed-section}}, and using the talk page to specify what fact in particular you dispute, and why. Seahen 14:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Update: Or, it might be better to use the new {{DisputedAssertion}}. Seahen 14:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tintin (talk) 13:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Accepted term?

Which term should generally be used on Misplaced Pages: soccer or association football? Seahen 13:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I would say that this is a bit like national varieties of English. So if writing about football in the UK, the local term "football" would be used (as in Manchester United). Otherwise, the locally popular term. Notinasnaid 14:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm referring in this case to Game, which is not a local topic. Someone changed it to just football; this I don't agree with, because so many English speakers would think it meant American football. Seahen 14:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You could sidestep the issue by calling it footy and linking to the proper article (Football (soccer)).—WAvegetarian•(talk) 15:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The maximum size of fair use images

Several fair use image tags (i.e. {{film-screenshot}})have stated that images should be within a "web resolution". How large is that? Secondly, if web resolution increases with larger screens, does it also apply to fair use images? ╫ ２５ 14:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC) ╫

Well, what can we do but use some judgement? On wikipedia we don't put images scaled to more than 300px wide in articles.. So that would be my measure of "Web resolution", with respect for those on 1024 or 800 px screens. How much above that that is too much is also a question. ❝Sverdrup❞ 22:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent Rain in Alexandria, Virginia

We are told that this past storm brought the most rain in the past 150 years. As I write this, the Bellview Neighborhood has not flooded.

The last big storm, which was presumably "small" in comparison to this one, virtually destroyed hundreds of homes. What "saved" Belleview this time?

In the even that this matter is not relevant to your office, would you please refer it to the correct one?

Wendel Allen 9019 Admiral Vernon Terrace Alexandria, VA 22309

Phone: (removed to protect from telemarketers) email: (removed to protect from spam)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Harryboyles 14:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Truncation; text editor recommendation?

Sometimes when I preview an edit, the edit in the box below the contents does not match what I submitted: it gets truncated partway through! What's going on?

On a related note, I sometimes have to copy long articles into a text editor to edit them. I currently use EditPad. The problem is that EditPad doesn't seem to handle Unicode properly, so non-Latin-1 characters turn into question marks. (This is particularly a problem with interlanguage links.) Can anyone recommend to me a text editor that will handle the Unicode characters the same way Mozilla Firefox does? Ideally, one whose full-featured version is free of charge (unlike EditPad)? Seahen 15:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This is most likely an "old browser" issue. What OS and web browser are you using?—WAvegetarian•(talk) 15:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This is quite possibly a "new browser" issue--it's been coming up in recent versions of Firefox, and Google toolbar I believe. I know it's been reported to Google and probably the MoFo, and there's even a note when you edit long pages. One workaround is to do section edits wherever possible and avoid editing whole pages if you can help it. · rodii · 15:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• See the bugzilla thread here: . Disabling Google toolbar seems to fix it. Does that match your conditions, Seahen? · rodii ·

• I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.4 on Windows XP, with Google Toolbar (2.0.20060606W), and I'm not prepared to change this setup other than to install updates. Any recommendations around a text editor? Seahen 17:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

How to track changes to my contribution?

Is there a way to track other people's changes to my contributions at a glance? Currently I look at the "my contributions" report and look at the items that does not have the "(top)" marker. The "eyeballing" process is very tedious. It would be nice to be able to filter the report and only present the last entries per topic and hide those with the (top) marker. The resulting list is a list of my latest contribution that have been modified since my edit. It would be a very good tool to allow contributors to watch for the latest changes on topics that they concern about.

It is also a good feature to filter out older entries in the "my watchlist" report. To most people, showing the latest entries is good enough to list the topics that have changes. Only when I am interested in what those changes are, then I click on the history button. I found that the current listing of all the changes are much harder to read and often too overwhelming when the watchlist has grown big.

I am curious if these filtering capabilities are already in place. If not, where should I request them.

Thanks.

Kowloonese 17:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

See my preferences right at the top of the page. Click on it. Click on editing. Check "Add pages I created/edit to my watchlist". Then go to watchlist and check "Hide my edits from the watchlist" Then keep checking your watchlist periodically. Filtering is easy. You can select how many days' edits you want to see in the watchlist. (again in the preferences) -- Lost 17:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Grilled Cheese Aspiration

May I please have some opinions about what parts of Grilled Cheese Aspiration are encyclopedic and which aren't? My instinct is that some of it belongs here and some of it doesn't, but I'm not sure which is which. Any content removed per this discussion will not be lost, since the whole thing has been copied to a Wikibooks module. Seahen 18:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

playing mortalcombat

how i can play mortal combat game plz help me out

• Did you buy a CD-ROM or floppy that isn't working or do you want to play some online version? What games system do you use? Is it a PS2, XBox, something completely different or a PC? Please be more specific and post your question to the reference desk which handles questions like this. - Mgm| 19:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sarching for publised books on Slat, Soda nad Vinegar uses

--207.200.116.71 19:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Is this vandalism?

Hi - I came across a page where the use claimed to be an approved Vandalproof user - he is not. I left him a note asking him to remove the logo (along with one claiming 2500 edits) and offered to help him sort out his userpage. I had no reply and I therefore removed it from his page. Before I proceeded I checked the guidance and it said that although generally people don't edit each others user pages it is not "against the rules".

In return he left a vandalism note on my page - I do not consider what I did vandalism as all I did was remove clearly false information and misrepesentation about his involvement with Misplaced Pages. Surely when information is clearly false - it cannot be vandalism to remove it. Is what I did Vandalism?

--Charlesknight 21:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No I don't think it's vandalism and in fact his userpage is very deceptive indeed. That user has a total of 185 edits according to Interiot's java tool2 and his first edit was on May 28, 2006. His userpage gives all indications of having been copied and pasted from someone elses, as you noted on his talk page, and it is absolutely inappropriate to have things on your userpage such as a barnstar awarded by a specific user to another that is claimed, by virtue of inclusion, as your own; false claims of numbers of edits; and of privileges you do not have; as well as claiming to be a recent changes patroller with not one single reversion or other edit indicating that activity.--Fuhghettaboutit 21:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I enjoyed the fact that he has awarded himself a barnstar. :) I wonder what User:Wickethewok thinks about the userpage content? · rodii · 22:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

OK tied to this - how do I get the warning removed from my record or at the least dispute it? It irks me that people using Vandalproof will see that I have a (what I consider unwarrented) warning.

--Charlesknight 09:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

ASCAP a reliable source?

On the article Mylène Farmer it seems to be difficult to find and source Farmer's real name. Slowly it changes back and forth to different names. I did some searching but couldn't find anything definitive except the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers page. See . Is this a 100 percent reliable source? I would think so, but to be sure... Garion96 22:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It sounds a good source. You should make the change and provide a reference to the source. Use an inline reference via <ref> so the connection cannot be missed. Sources are important anyway, but in this case, it make checking and stability easier; (a) anyone who changes the name without the source is clearly wrong, because they are now contradicting the source that is there; (b) anyone that changes the name and removes the source is creating a less verifiable article that should be reverted; (c) anyone that changes name and provides a new source is providing a framework for discussion on the talk page. Remember that where there are multiple widely held beliefs it is not the job of editors to put themselves in charge of the facts and pick the right one. Rather, it is the job of editors to present each (properly sourced) claim. Notinasnaid 07:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I thought. I will add the reference to the article. Thanks for the advice. Garion96 12:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Highest interwikis

Which article has the highest amount of interwiki links? Skinnyweed 23:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that all Wikipedias have articles on... Misplaced Pages :) Jacek Kendysz 23:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

See here. meta:Common Interwiki links. It looks like India has the most of interwiki links. Garion96 11:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Template for "This user has a Misplaced Pages article"

I thought once I saw a template that made a tag that said something like "This user has a Misplaced Pages article", or maybe it was the other way around: "The subject of this Misplaced Pages article has a user account." I suppose the intent of this template is to act as a check against possible POV. But now I can't find this template. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? —Bkell (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you mean this template. To be used on the talk page of the article in question. Template:Notable Wikipedian Garion96 00:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

July 1

Creating templates?

How do you create templates?--Summonmaster13 00:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

See here. Help:Template Garion96 00:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

WP image

I would like to know if it’s ok with policy to copy the image at the top of Diderot’s article and paste it in my user page? —Cesar Tort 03:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because all those images in that page are in Public domain. --WinHunter 03:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Italics

I haven't been able to get titles of works to appear in italics. I consulted the Help site, which shows double quotation marks being used for emphasis, triple marks for further emphasis, etc. When the extant copy appears in the Edit format italicized entries are shown with double quotation marks, but when the edited copy with double quotation marks is saved, the entries so marked are not italicized, but simply have the double quotation marks and larger type.

24.20.159.212 04:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I think you need to use five appostrophies to both sides of the title Like this. '''''Like this''''' Hope this helps. --Starionwolf 04:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict)

Not double quotation marks but two apostrophes. Compare:

• 'single quotes' (apostrophes)
• "double quotes"
• italics (two apostrophes)
• bold (three apostrophes)

Take a look at the source for this (by clicking edit and looking in the textbox) for clarification. · rodii · 04:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal commentary on article

Someone is repeatedly adding personal commentary to an article. Obviously, the comments are not encyclopedic nor are they neutral. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think repeatedly adding personal commentary is against the policies Neutral point of view, No original research and verifyability? Is this action considered to be vandalism? If it is, then I will ask the editor to stop adding the comments. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Cheers --Starionwolf 04:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

You are right about the above policies. However, the policies of WP:BITE and WP:AGF also suggest that such a user may be new to wikipedia and may not know where to add personal commentaries. Its best to discuss with him either on his or the article's talk page. -- Lost 04:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to assume good faith. I forgot about intentions. I'll try to talk to the editor. --Starionwolf 05:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the policy page for WP:Vandalism, violations of NPOV is not considered an action of vandalism (Of course, there are certain cases where one side believes their additions are not NPOV and the other side believes it is). It falls under Edit War instead. --ColourBurst 06:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

IPA

What kind of character encoding do I need to be able to see all International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) symbols? (I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.4, if it matters.) Ayn Rand, specifically, is giving me trouble; I get question marks for the second and fourth symbols in the IPA parenthetical with Unicode (UTF-8) encoding. --zenohockey 05:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a problem with that article; can you give me your OS? Thanks. --Quentin Smith 07:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried to fix this. Is it working for you now? My guess is it went through someone's text editor and the Unicode got mangled. UTF-8 should be the right encoding. · rodii · 14:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

User contribution licensing

Hello, I have been browsing Misplaced Pages for some time now and on some user pages I've noticed a box that says something along the lines of "I agree to license my contributions under a Creative Commons license ..." or something along those lines. Now, I was under the impression that whatever anyone contributes to Misplaced Pages becomes part of this "free" GNU license, meaning that whatever edits I make, I no longer have a right to claim as my own. But seeing these messages on some user pages, it appears that whatever contributions a user makes, he or she still has a right to claim. So, my question is, if I make edits, especially major edits to an article, do I retain any rights to those edits? For instance, hypothetically spekaing, I create an article and fill it with information (with sources, of course) but sometime later I decide that I don't want Misplaced Pages to enjoy the fruits of my labor. At that point, would I be able to have all my edits removed from the article since I have not put this license message on my user page? Thank you. DragonRouge 06:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

No, any contribution to wikipedia automatically falls under the public domain. To the best of my knowledge, users displaying such a message on their user page are only being clearer about their intentions. Their contributions would fall in the public domain even without this message. -- Lost 06:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think "any contribution to wikipedia automatically falls under the public domain" can be true. Quite the opposite: it says under this box that "You agree to license all contributions under the GFDL." Not the same thing at all. If it were public domain, anyone could copy Misplaced Pages without any reference to the GFDL terms. Notinasnaid 07:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying.. -- Lost 08:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. DragonRouge 13:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Back to the original question - it's simultaneously true that you retain authorship rights to anything you write (including anything you contribute to Misplaced Pages) and anything you contribute to Misplaced Pages is licensed under the GFDL. What this means is you (but not anyone else) can republish what you write here anywhere else under whatever terms you'd like (and folks using these licensing boxes are basically doing this), however anything you contribute here is also available from Misplaced Pages under the terms of the GFDL. BTW, IANAL. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Updating Deaths in 2006

There is a death of a prominent person Ryutaro Hashimoto, a former Prime Minister who died today. I want to add him to create a Deaths in 2006 to archive June and change the current month to July. Does anyone know what the correct procedure is to do this?

JPG->SVGSVG-July_1-2006-07-01T07:38:00.000Z">

Where is the tag asking people to change a JPG image to an SVG image, and can it be used on fair use images? --Quentin Smith 07:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)SVG"> SVG">

{{badjpeg}} or {{shouldbesvg}} WP 10:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Can I use it on fair use images? --Quentin Smith 13:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• No, we are already treading a small line by using them. We do not have the right to alter fair use images, converting to a different file format is included in that. - Mgm| 16:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Having my own glossary

Is it OK for me to have my own glossary of terms that I use frequently, like this --

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Cultural_Freedom/Glossary

-- to which I could then refer people, instead of having to explain the same thing over and over again? --Cultural Freedom talk 2006-07-01 14:04 (UTC)

If you provide the link, I don't see any reason why it can't be used. Happens all the time...For example, in RfAs, people just say "Fails my criteria" and link to their admin criteria. There shouldn't be a problem with it. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for the quick reply. --Cultural Freedom talk 2006-07-01 14:39 (UTC)

How to point to a URL

Hi :

I am a new editor trying to add/improve info about TPNS .. I am having a lot of fun.. but not able make the HTL in the web page ( using HREF) point to an external web site..

If you search the web site — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmel (talk • contribs) 19:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Just put a URL between ''. Jacek Kendysz 19:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

How to point to a URL

Hi :

I am a new editor trying to add/improve info about TPNS .. I am having a lot of fun.. but not able make the HTL in the web page ( using HREF) point to an external web site..

If you search for theWikipedia page containg TPNS u will see. What I would like to setup a link to web site below if the reader clicks on the string TPNS protottyping..

But I am doing something wrong as the hot string is the name of the web site..

Something wrong with the way I am using the href command below Any help much appreciated.. Mrmel ..

<a href="http://www-306.ibm.com/software/network/tpns/library/mel_whitepaper.html">TPNS Prototyping</a>

How to point to a URL

Hi :

I am a new editor trying to add/improve info about TPNS .. I am having a lot of fun.. but not able make the HTL in the web page ( using HREF) point to an external web site..

If you search for theWikipedia page containg TPNS u will see. What I would like to setup a link to web site below if the reader clicks on the string TPNS protottyping..

But I am doing something wrong as the hot string is the name of the web site..

Something wrong with the way I am using the href command below Any help much appreciated.. Mrmel ..

<a href="http://www-306.ibm.com/software/network/tpns/library/mel_whitepaper.html">TPNS Prototyping</a>

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