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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive367#Close challenge for Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus

(Initiated 13 days ago on 13 December 2024) challenge of close at AN was archived nableezy - 05:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 80 days ago on 7 October 2024) Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#Request_for_comment:_Do_the_guidelines_in_WP:TPO_also_apply_to_archived_talk_pages?

(Initiated 71 days ago on 16 October 2024) Discussion seems to have petered out a month ago. Consensus seems unclear. Gnomingstuff (talk) 02:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: Needs admin closure imho, due to its importance (guideline page), length (101kb), and questions about neutrality of the Rfc question and what it meant. Mathglot (talk) 21:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

And in true Streisand effect fashion, this discussion, quiescent for six weeks, has some more responses again. Mathglot (talk) 01:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

{{doing}} voorts (talk/contributions) 23:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Oops; I put this in the wrong section. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 459#RFC_Jerusalem_Post

(Initiated 59 days ago on 28 October 2024) Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Archived. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Grey_Literature

(Initiated 47 days ago on 10 November 2024) Discussion is slowing significantly. Likely no consensus, personally. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Option 2 was very clearly rejected. The closer should try to see what specific principles people in the discussion agreed upon if going with a no consensus close, because there should be a follow-up RfC after some of the details are hammered out. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 03:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

 Doing... —Compassionate727  13:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Compassionate727: Still working on this? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Ugh… in practice, no. I'm still willing to do it, but it's in hiatus because of the three(!) pending challenges of my closures at AN, while I evaluate to what extent I need to change how I approach closures. If somebody else wants to take over this, they should feel free. —Compassionate727  22:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Taking a pause is fair. Just wanted to double check. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

asking for an update if possible. I think this RFC and previous RFCBEFORE convos were several TOMATS long at this point, so I get that this might take time. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 16:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment#RFC_on_signing_RFCs

(Initiated 43 days ago on 13 November 2024) - probably gonna stay status quo, but would like a closure to point to Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

•  Closed. Soni (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 43 days ago on 13 November 2024) RfC has elapsed, and uninvolved closure is requested. — Red-tailed sock _{(Red-tailed hawk's nest)} 15:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 40 days ago on 16 November 2024) Very wide impact, not much heat. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

•  Closed – Consensus seems clear, I don't think my Indian-ness poses a WP;COI here, closed. Soni (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Israel#RfC

(Initiated 34 days ago on 22 November 2024) Legobot has removed the RFC notice. Can we please get an interdependent close. TarnishedPath 23:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (music)#RfC about the naming conventions for boy bands

(Initiated 18 days ago on 8 December 2024) No further participation in the last 7 days. Consensus is clear but I am the opener of the RfC and am not comfortable closing something I am so closely involved in, so would like somebody uninvolved to close it if they believe it to be appropriate.RachelTensions (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not comfortable closing a discussion on a guideline change this early. In any case, if the discussion continues as it has been, a formal closure won't be necessary. —Compassionate727  13:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Arab migrations to the Levant#Merger Proposal

(Initiated 93 days ago on 25 September 2024) Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. Andre🚐 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump#Proposal: Age and health concerns regarding Trump

(Initiated 71 days ago on 16 October 2024) Experienced closer requested. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Tesla Cybercab#Proposed merge of Tesla Network into Tesla Cybercab

(Initiated 69 days ago on 18 October 2024) This needs formal closure by someone uninvolved. N2e (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it would be better to leave that discussion be. There is no consensus one way or the other. I could close it as "no consensus," but I think it would be better to just leave it so that if there's ever anyone else who has a thought on the matter, they can comment in that discussion instead of needing to open a new one. —Compassionate727  14:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Winter fuel payment abolition backlash#Merge proposal

(Initiated 59 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 51 days ago on 5 November 2024) RM that has been open for over a month. Natg 19 (talk) 02:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 29 days ago on 27 November 2024) Discussion seems to have stopped. As the proposal is not uncontroversial, and I, as the initiator, am involved, I am requesting an uninvolved editor to close the discussion. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 11:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Williamsburg Bray School#Splitting proposal

(Initiated 29 days ago on 27 November 2024) Only two editors—the nominator and myself—have participated. That was two weeks ago. Just needs an uninvolved third party for closure. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

 Doing... BusterD (talk) 20:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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user:Kumioko ban review

The discussion has been moved to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/User:Kumioko ban review for ease of access to this page, and to allow for a dedicated talk page for other issues surrounding the discussion. Regards, Crazynas 00:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Postdating to prevent early closure. Mike V • Talk 00:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

The reason User:Newmancbn has valuable contributions that need to be made to Jewish articles

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@The Bushranger: @Dougweller: @Ian.thomson: @Jytdog: @Malik Shabazz: @Drmies: @Zero0000: @Debresser: I'm not a Christian. I am an Orthodox Jew who is of half Sephardic and half English ethnicity, I was raised non-observant, and am a biblical and Hebrew scholar in training who studied at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, with ambitions to attend Oxford. I am fluent in biblical Hebrew and have expertise in the Tanakh, the Mishnah, the Gemarra, proto-Masoretic texts, Karaite topics, Jewish history, ancient Israel, and archeology, among other things. I made corrections to articles in the topics mentioned above because they contained vital missing information on details of the Bar Kochba revolt, namely how it resulted in the Roman exile, which does not have a page or even a mention on wikipedia, the proper use of the terms YHWH and Yahweh in academic settings, the genetic and historic ties that the Buba clan, Bene Israel, and Palestinian Arabs have to ancient Israel, and the Ipuwer Papyrus, which is not even mentioned in the Exodus article, which currently states no artifacts have ever been recovered that could indicate the Exodus, which is untrue and deceptive to readers, since the Ipuwer has been known for 150 years, and even many atheist scholars think the Ipuwer indicates the charter myth of Israel has some historical basis, who usually think the reference to the Nile becoming blood is a description of a natural phenomena whereby algae discolour the water, and the Hebrews took advantage of the natural disasters and escaped, I am in agreement that the plagues of Egypt could have been all caused by natural disasters, but the Ipuwer Papyrus really needs to be mentioned in the Exodus article, and the sentence "no archeological evidence has been found to support the Book of Exodus and most archaeologists have abandoned the investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit" needs a serious qualifier, because as it stands now, it is an actual falsehood appearing in an encyclopedia. Another problem is there should be a page titled YHWH dedicated for the god of Israel as he is seen by Jews and Samaritans, or change the article "Tetragrammaton" to read that way. The reason is you have the article Brahma, and then God in Hinduism, you have Jesus and then God in Christianity, and you have Allah and God in Islam. For us you only have God in Judaism, where is the page for our god? The issue people seemed to raise was not that my edits were inaccurate, but they were un-sourced. I provided sources from scientific papers, the books and chapters from josephus, or whatever other citations were required, but was told they didn't count because I needed the exact quotations from them and not just the name of the paper, a level of rigor I don't really see applied universally across wikipedia, but maybe extraordinary claims (like Palestinains are descended from Israelites) require extraordinary evidence (which exists), but I digress. I think I may understand why these mistakes occur on wikipedia, perhaps I wrongly assumed the errors were intentional in a passive anti-Judaic way, which explains why I came out "guns blazing", like my Rebbe Sgt. Lincoln Osiris from the film Tropic Thunder, and for that I apologize, but now it becomes clear to me. There are billions of Hindus, Christians, and Muslims in the world who will voice their opinions to make sure Hindu, Christian, and Muslim topic articles accurately reflect their history and traditions, however the only people who are qualified enough, and know enough about the Tanakh, Jewish history, and Judaism, to be able to correct the Jewish topic articles, are Orthodox and Karaite Jews, Samaritans, (secular Jews outside of Israel usually know very little about Judaism), the average well educated Israeli, biblical and Hebrew scholars, and some archeologists. The people who wrote and monitor the articles are most likely none of those things, in my discussions with them it seems none are versed in biblical Hebrew, or know extensively about Jewish history, (one in particular named User:Nishidani is an open Japanese anti-Semite and I seriously suggest barring him form editing Jewish and Israel related topics), which would explain the gaps in Jewish history and misrepresentations of Judaism, which are actually very few, and the articles as a whole are surprisingly accurate I must gladly say, however the errors that do exist are rather significant and result in a misrepresentation of Jews and Samaritans. The pool of Jews and other people to speak up for the accuracy of Jewish articles is extremely tiny, which I think better explains some of the obvious errors on these pages, and my frustrations, rather than a cultural bias on wikipedia, or a case of Esaw soneh l'Ya'aqov. I may be back in six months, I may be back in a year, and will have amassed a legion of sentence by sentence, line by line quotations from an exhaustive list of peer reviewed academic journals for each and every one of the above mentioned topics so there can be no ambiguity about the sourcing, or just gather an army of Zionist Israeli scholars from Hebrew University and Bar Ilan University to aid me in correcting and adding the missing bits of these articles. At which point I hope the information can be published, and in the mean time if anyone wants to ask me any questions about these topics, just post it here and I will respond soon. I hope this clears some confusion, and I would love any of you to respond if you have time, sincerely, Newman.--Newmancbn (talk) 00:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Really N? ANI was not the proper place for this and neither is AN. You need to drop the stick because you are not going to get anywhere with this kind of thing. I would suggest that you read WP:GREATWRONGS as well if you ever want the topic ban to be lifted. MarnetteD|Talk 02:37, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand, the person who banned me seemed to direct me here, I'm confused, where should I post this? Also I read Great Wrongs, there is no "great wrong" in history I am trying to correct, I am trying to simply make Jewish articles more accurate about Judaism and Jewish history, like give the details of the Bar Kochba revolt.--Newmancbn (talk) 03:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jayron32:@The Bushranger: @Dougweller: @MarnetteD: @Ian.thomson: @Jytdog: @Malik Shabazz: @Drmies: @Zero0000: @Debresser: @Mendaliv: The ban seems like it was founded on the assumption I was a Christian pushing a religious agenda, and I actually was never involved in any editing wars. I don't think I ever broke the three edit revert rule, I just reverted several articles when people reverted my edits and I changed it to be a compromise between the two, and I later realized that editing in that way, beginning with the revert button, gives the impression of an editing war, and so I believe Dougweller asked me on my page to not edit that way, which I haven't. The other thing that seemed to contribute was when I changed about 50 Jewish articles with the word 'Yahweh' to 'YHWH', which I thought that would be welcomed from wikipedia because that is the standard practice in scholarship when using the Name when referring to Jewish subjects, because us Jews have a prohibition against speaking it and say Adonai or HaShem, so to write Yahweh on a Jewish topic page is deeply offensive, especially to Orthodox Jews. Some compare it to being more offense to Orthodox Jews than ethnic slurs, like kike or nigger, or like saying Muhammad Pig-Raping bin Abdullah, so it really is a big deal for us. Instead I was blocked for violating the rule of making changes without consensus, I had no idea that was a rule, and when I came back on today I found I have been banned. So I think the entire thing is rather silly. I really didn't do anything wrong, except provide sources without giving the exact quotations, and revert people's edits a few times, but I always took it to the talk page if there was disagreement after a few reverts, and the above mentioned YHWH incident. I didn't brake any rules intentionally, and until the YHWH incident I was engaged in what I thought were fruitful and meaningful discussions on the talk pages. It was said I wrote too much text, and I am working on that. I didn't brake any rules intentionally. I think it is kind of a misunderstanding, do you think so or not? This is not a rhetorical question, but a sincere one.--Newmancbn (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)--

As I posted on your talk page your faith, in no way shape or form, had anything to do with your topic ban. You have now posted this "Wall of Text" for the second time on this page. You have had useful advice given to you by numerous editors which you have ignored. I am starting to have concerns about WP:COMPETENCE problems. Oh and this post violates the topic ban again. MarnetteD|Talk 04:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Newmancbn, you're pinging me and everyone else with the same insistence you displayed in the edits that got you topic-banned. This is not the way to turn people your way. One of the problems was that you seemed to care less for working on the basis of reliable secondary sources, and you have an opportunity to prove that you can do that, but in other areas. Good behavior elsewhere (that is, sticking to the community norms--policies and guidelines) is what might get a topic ban lifted eventually. Constantly pinging folks won't, and violating said ban here in this forum won't help either. Thank you, and good luck. Drmies (talk) 04:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Need for a new page titled YHWH that is distinct from Tetragrammaton or Yahweh, or the rephrasing of "Tetragrammaton" to reflect the views of normative Judaism

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I hope I am proposing this in the right place. There should be a page titled YHWH dedicated for the god of Israel as he is seen by Jews and Samaritans. Or the article "Tetragrammaton" should be changed to read that way (which currently states that YHWH is a pagan god called 'yahweh' from the Canaanite pantheon, a highly speculative theory with little tangible evidence other than the assumption it must be so, because where else did Judaic monotheism originate?). The reason is you have the article Brahma, and then God in Hinduism, you have Jesus and then God in Christianity, and you have Allah and God in Islam. For us you only have God in Judaism, if I type in YHWH I currently get Tetragrammaton and its pagan views, where is the page for our god?--Newmancbn (talk) 02:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

A better place to ask about this might be at the talk page for WikiProject Judaism. This is more a noticeboard for administrative issues, rather than article writing issues. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 02:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sorry, this is not really an administrator issue at all. What you need to do is discuss the matter either on an article talk page (such as at Talk:Yahweh), or at the talk page of a WikiProject, such as Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Judaism. Administrators don't involve themselves (in their role as administrators) in content issues; this is the board for dealing with technical aspects of the administrator job. Good luck with your discussions! --Jayron32 02:35, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Isn't this a violation of the topic ban? MarnetteD|Talk 02:37, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This post and the one above it are a direct violation of a Topic ban -- see User_talk:Newmancbn#Topic_ban. Time for a site ban, it appears. The Bushranger administered the topic ban. Jytdog (talk) 02:38, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You're right, I just saw that. Newman is topic banned from Abrahamic religions, and a great deal of other topics. See WP:ANI#Topic ban for Newmancbn. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 02:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I was told I was banned from editing Abrahamic religions, so does that mean I can't suggest the creation of a new page to administrators? I am confused, I thought the ban only applied to Abrahamic religions? Can I comment on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Judaism?--Newmancbn (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mendaliv: Sorry I messed it up, it won't revert now. I didn't see your edit my bad.--Newmancbn (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Newman, what a "topic ban" means is that, for the duration of the ban, you are not allowed to edit, discuss, propose, or have anything at all to do with, the entire topic you are banned from. It means you find other areas of Misplaced Pages to help with. When it says you are "topic banned" from "Abrahamic religions" (among the other things) it means that you don't touch the topic with a 10-foot pole. You don't enter into discussions, you don't edit articles, you don't propose changes, you don't come up with ideas, you don't ask other people to help out with the topic, you do nothing with any thing at ALL related to the topic; as though it didn't exist for you. That's what a topic ban means. Your banned from working on ANYTHING related to the topic, in ANY way. --Jayron32 03:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jayron32: Okay I understand now. So if it is a violation of the ban for me to request the ban be removed, what is my recourse addressing the ban? Especially since the one who proposed it thought I was a Christian pushing a religious agenda, I am a Jew trying to help wikipedia accurately represent Jewish articles, and I think the ban was founded on the wrong assumption.--Newmancbn (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Part of the ban terms was that you take 12 months before you request it be lifted. The community has lost its trust in your ability to work peacefully and collaboratively in this area. If you want to earn the community's trust back again, you need to show that you are capable of working well in areas you don't have the same emotional attachment to, and show an understanding of Misplaced Pages community norms, and then we can revisit it in 12 months. It's been one day. Find some other, less controversial area to work with, establish an ability to work well with others, and then after 12 months of that, we can revisit the issue. We're not saying you can never have the ban lifted ever. We're saying that one day is not enough time to establish that you've learned from the mistakes you made earlier, and that you're accepting of Misplaced Pages community norms. Do that first. --Jayron32 03:25, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jayron32:@The Bushranger: @Dougweller: @Ian.thomson: @Jytdog: @Malik Shabazz: @Drmies: @Zero0000: @Debresser: @Mendaliv: Okay I get it, however the ban seems like it was founded on the assumption I was a Christian pushing a religious agenda, and I actually was never involved in any editing wars. I don't think I ever broke the three edit revert rule, I just reverted several articles when people reverted my edits and I changed it to be a compromise between the two, and I later realized that editing in that way, beginning with the revert button, gives the impression of an editing war, and so I believe Dougweller asked me on my page to not edit that way, which I haven't. The other thing that seemed to contribute was when I changed about 50 articles with the word 'Yahweh' to 'YHWH' on Jewish articles, I thought that would be welcomed from wikipedia because that is the standard practice in scholarship when using the Name when referring to Jewish subjects because us Jews have a prohibition against speaking it, so to write Yahweh can be highly offensive. Some comparing it to being more offense to Orthodox Jews than ethnic slurs. Instead I was blocked for violating the rule of making changes without consensus, I had no idea that was a rule, and when I came back on today I found I have been banned. So I think the entire thing is rather silly. I really didn't do anything wrong, except provide sources without giving the exact quotations, and revert people's edits a few times, but I always took it to the talk page if there was disagreement after a few reverts, and the above mentioned YHWH incident. What are your opinions? I am asking sincerely.--Newmancbn (talk) 05:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

MarnetteD That was an accident, for that I apologize. I was told it was the wrong section, and so I removed it. I didn't know it wasn't allowed. While it was reverted, I was making an edit and when I hit save I saw the revert and the page got stuck. I apologize again. Thank you for restoring the section.--Newmancbn (talk) 03:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Will someone non-involved please close this violation of the topic ban? And inform him he can't use User:Newmancbn/sandbox to violate the ban either? Dougweller (talk) 05:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

hello sir

my name is rajvir singh randhawa and i make Randeep Singh Nabha,Kulbir Jhinjer and Ammy Virk two of three is deleted sir and one is still there Randeep Singh Nabha i'm blocked on wikipedia but i dot know what i did wrong and if i wrong so why you do not delete Randeep Singh Nabha and if i make good right thing so why deleted Kulbir Jhinjer and Ammy Virk that's it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.13.226 (talk) 07:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

blocked. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 07:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

your all bocking me without anything as some of other rajvir singh randhawa but why

Unsourced BLPs

 Done Black Kite (talk) 18:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Can an administrator go through and remove the unsourced BLPs?

Category:Expired proposed deletions of unsourced BLPs jps (talk) 12:37, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Nichiren

 Done Semi-protected. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Could someone please put an end to IP: 171.207.219.221 constantly inserting lunar calendar stuff whereby deleting data which we all are accustomed to – the Gregorian calendar? --Catflap08 (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

King Flight

Per a CU on the Commons, King Flight is a  Confirmed sock of Over the Limit/7alawa el3antbly/et al. (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/7alawa el3antbly/Archive for an older local en.wiki CU case). They have continued to upload copyvios on en.wiki (e.g. File:Clothesline from Hell.jpg is NC/ND at Flickr source) after a Commons block. Please take whatever action is necessary. Эlcobbola _talk 18:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

 Blocked and tagged, SPI opened for local sleeper check, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to review the user's uploads, so I'll leave to another admin. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I've closed the SPI and G5'ed the image uploads.--Jezebel'sPonyo 19:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Blatant vandal

User: Freewhitechristianmale has made three disruptive edits so far to 2014 Ferguson unrest, in which he insinuates that Michael Brown's family has connections to ISIS. See , and . FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 19:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Blocked for all sorts of reasons. Acroterion (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Acroterion: Considering the six (that I'm able to count so far) vandalism hits today (so far) can we get 24 hours of semi-protection to slow things down and make sure things are properly reverted? Dusti 19:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Acroterion: I'm disappointed your block reason wasn't literally "for all sorts of reasons". Also, not sure protection is necessary. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I was a little pressed for time and have been away since, but I could think of at least half a dozen reasons to block. Perhaps we need a template for "too many reasons to enumerate here." I don't see protection as needed for the time being. Acroterion (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Salvidrim's wish is performed. Nyttend (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Whiffs of Wiki-PR

What are we doing about SPA editors with fairly obvious COI that have no disclosure statements on their accounts? Anything at all? Are we starting SPIs for them tied to the Morning277 account or what? Not naming them now to avoid notification but it's not hard to tell when an account is doing paid editing. There's nothing inappropriate in the article creations, some might even be notable, but some are not. More importantly there is no clear disclosure per WP:COI. §FreeRangeFrog 19:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

What we usually should first do is tell them to do it, right? See further general discussion here Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, that's what I did. Let's see how it goes. I think we should have a bit more teeth in these cases. Thanks. §FreeRangeFrog 20:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

If it's behaviour that could be the result of someone not knowing/understanding our policies, then it's probably best to assume it is the result of ignorance, and avoid baring our teeth for a while. ( Didn't that used to be a policy round here? ) The Land (talk) 21:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing newbie about the account, and I didn't intend to bite them, but rather make sure that they are adhering to COI, such as it is. But I wasn't sure if for example we were retroactively moving their created articles to Draft for review or something like that. Maybe we should, but that's another matter. §FreeRangeFrog 22:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Ahh, OK, I think I understand the issue better now. So the question is what do we do when there is good evidence that people are breaching the COI policy (and/or the Terms of Use), but with contributions that aren't otherwise particularly problematic; have I got that right? Well, ultimately, blocking them will be appropriate if polite reminders about the policies don't work... The Land (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. But not following the COI is a problem. Thing is, there is no specific policy-based rationale for blocking someone on the basis that they are not following COI, nor is there a "mandate" for sending all their created articles prior to disclosure to the draft namespace for review (as an example of something we should be doing IMO). Of course they can be blocked for disruptive behavior and whatnot, but that's it. §FreeRangeFrog 23:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing, WP:CRYSTALBALLs, WP:IDHT and a British IP

There has been a problem with a British IP that has a case of WP:IDHT with regards to sourcing, WP:CRYSTALBALLs, and future broadcast dates across a large number of articles. A non-comprehensive list of IPs the user has used in the past:

• 85.211.138.92 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.195.143 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.204.54 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.203.136 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.142.182 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.196.201 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

I have been hiding the future broadcast dates by commenting them out on the base that they were added in good faith and time will eventually be able to verify the dates, but the editor comes along, sometimes minutes later and removes the comment brackets.

The some of the affected articles include:

• Tokyo ESP
• Rokujyoma no Shinryakusha!?
• Glasslip
• Tokyo Ghoul
• Argevollen
• Hanayamata
• Magimoji Rurumo
• List of Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya episodes
• Rail Wars!
• Futsū no Joshikōsei ga Locodol Yattemita

—Farix (t | c) 23:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

LGBT topic ban requested

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The topic ban should cover LGBT topics broadly considered. The emphasis is on same-sex marriage (or same-sex "marriage", as the editor calls it), Gay Pride events (they rename sections and piped links to articles as "Same-sex promotion" and that sort of thing), and LGBT legislation. I have no opinion at this moment on whether they should be topic-banned from related article talk pages, but others may have one. Thank you for your consideration. Drmies (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support per the evidence presented in both threads mentioned by Drmies. Calidum 16:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support plenty of provocation here. --Randykitty (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support thank you for raising this request. --Fæ (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support per evidence provided via Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:LGBT_rights_in_Croatia.23.27Public_promotion_of_LGBT_issues.27_bias. User in question is trying to impose his personal views. Ron 1987 (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support SPQRobin (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support I encountered this editor for the first time yesterday and saw some disturbing edits. I raised the issue at the Wikiproject LGBT studies to get other editors to weigh in. From reading his comments, I would guess this editor perhaps lacks the maturity to edit articles dealing with topics he is uncomfortable with. There may also be a language issue (the editor identifies as Polish so English is not his first language) as he does not seem to understand that the word "pride" in this context is not POV and that altering it to his own terminology actually is POV. He seems to be doing credible work elsewhere so perhaps he should stay away from controversial topics. freshacconci talk to me 18:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. I would have done so earlier but it's Saturday and I had to run some errands. I even ate lunch. This is not a language issue. This is a bias issue. He doesn't just say he's Polish on his user page. He says he's against same-sex marriage (twice). He's entitled to hold those beliefs, but he's not allowed to transport them to Misplaced Pages pages. These edits are not in a gray area. They are way beyond neutral. The terrorism diff is a truly nasty piece of work. (BTW, it should be "broadly construed".)--Bbb23 (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support - And I think calling someone a dumbass in edit summary is enough to lose faith that they could handle a discussion calmly and dispassionately on the corresponding talk pages.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support: even a cursory glance at the evidence at DRN shows me a topic ban is needed. Repeated POV violations, not least the deplorable terrorism comment, and incivility to other editors when discussing the changes. Since I doubt he will have much productive to say, a ban from talk pages is also warranted. BethNaught (talk) 20:42, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support I don't believe such people should be allowed to contribute to this wiki at all. The user clearly fails to understand what an encyclopedia is. Vogone (talk) 20:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Not a good fit for the topic in terms of competency or neutrality. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 21:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support (Non-administrator comment) I'm not an administrator and I rarely support topic bans, and have been outside of the majority view when it comes to them. I don't usually support them unless they're unambiguously disruptive, and I see in this case that it is indeed necessary. The user in question may have a lighter head when they edit areas where they're able to contribute civilly and without a predetermined POV. Tutelary (talk) 22:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support The editor is not here to improve LGBT articles, he's here to push an obvious moralistic negative POV on them. They should stick to the topics they don't have a problem with. §FreeRangeFrog 22:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. User is incapable of editing the topic in a neutral manner. Maturity issues also come into play. Viriditas (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support Miniapolis 00:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support, we don't need that sort of bigotry or trolling here. Lankiveil 05:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

Very small backlog needs clearing

First of all, sorry if anyone feels that I am an impatient person. Misplaced Pages talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage has a small backlog. 3 users including me have asked for permission to use AWB. The last admin activity on this page was on 21 August. Can someone respond there. Sorry again, if you don't like this method of asking for permission.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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