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3 September 2014

Copyright investigations (manual article tagging)

• India Against Corruption (history · last edit · rewrite) from http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.net/blog/ramdevji-06-april-2011-jantar-mantar-iac-email-p9a156ky12txt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindashiers (talk • contribs) 08:37, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• No vio found, claim cannot be validated. Tag removed from article. --Voceditenore (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  Note At most there was very minor close paraphrasing from this book. The blog originally alleged to be the source of the copyvio appears to be a hoax with no convincing evidence that it pre-dates the Misplaced Pages article. See the article's talk page and the conversation below. I fully concur with the adminstrator who has removed the tag. Voceditenore (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• I've never idea if this is a newbie mistake or yet another instance of the long-running disruption by supporters of the India Against Corruption pressure group who have been hauled before WP:ANI and other venues on numerous occasions. In any event, there is absolutely no copyright violation in the tagged section and I'd be surprised if there is any in the article at all (mainly, I must admit, because it was mostly rewritten by me ages ago). - Sitush (talk) 09:56, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• If you have "mostly written this article" with "absolutely no copyright violation in the tagged section", you must either be Veeresh Malik or Meera Nanda. I came across this blatant copyright violation / plagiarism while researching a paper on Anna Hazare. You can use this free tool or other superior tools. These are the results :

47 matching words were found:

Item 1 : 116 words total, 41% matched "On 29 October 2010 Sri Sri Ravishankar suggested we approach Ramdevji, the populist yogi having millions of followers among the middle classes of small-town India, to be the figurehead for our campaign. But by late Feb 2011 P soon realised Ramdevji's connections to the RSS threatened to damage IAC's credibility as IAC was still an apolitical movement. P demanded we replace him with Anna Hazare, who also brought his large support base along with him, mostly comprising middle-class people from both rural and urban areas and IAC now attracted idealistic internet savvy youths and high-profile support for the campaign from Bollywood stars, and mainstream English-language news media through Madhu's PR contacts."

Item 2 : 133 words total, 35% matched "They approached Ramdev, a populist yogi with millions of supporters among the middle-classes of small-town India, to be the figurehead for this campaign. His connections to the right-wing Sangh Parivar threatened to damage the credibility of what was nominally an apolitical movement. He was soon replaced by Anna Hazare, a veteran social reformer with a history of undertaking fasts in support of his causes. Hazare, too, brought a large support base with him, comprising mostly middle-class people from urban areas and idealistic youths. The urban sophistication of Hazare, compared to Ramdev's rusticity, attracted high-profile support for the campaign from Bollywood stars, the internet-savvy, and mainstream English-language news media. He, too, struggled to disassociate himself from Hindutva symbolism: hence, support from non-Hindus was less forthcoming."

Identical phrases "among the middle classes of small-town India, to be the figurehead for", "connections to the", "threatened to damage", "an apolitical movement.", "large support base", "middle-class people from", "urban areas and", "high-profile support for the campaign from Bollywood stars,", "and mainstream English-language news media". Lindashiers (talk) 07:55, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that when the tool ran. I've no idea when it was added but it was not added by me. You could have just fixed the bloody thing instead of creating all this drama. - Sitush (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, will fix the bloody section. Lindashiers (talk) 03:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, so you fix it, as its very clear that POV hacks, lacking WP:CIR, don't allow experts to edit Misplaced Pages. Lindashiers (talk) 08:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Furthermore, despite your feeble protestations to the contrary, this plagiarism was inserted by you . Lindashiers (talk) 08:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Lindashiers (talk · contribs) has now been blocked. They were part of an extensive, tendentious sock or meatfarm that has been taken to WP:ANI regarding this particular article on numerous occasions and by numerous people. I'm seriously thinking that this report itself might be manufactured, as per my comments at Talk:India_Against_Corruption#The_alleged_copyvio. - Sitush (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Several editors - Writ Keeper, NeilN, DeCausa and myself - have examined this and discussed it at Talk:India Against Corruption#The alleged copyvio. At least two of us are now convinced it's a hoax.

The blog post that's said to be the source is presented as a quotation from Veeresh Malik. It concerns events from October 2010 to late February 2011 and beyond: "by late Feb 2011 P soon realised... demanded we replace him ... who also brought his large support base along with him ... and IAC now attracted ..." It seems to be written with the perspective of more than a few days or weeks, yet it's not only marked as copyright 2011 but also as posted on the blog on 06 April 2011, very soon after late February 2011.

It's shown as having been taken from page 93 of something - perhaps a book or a journal - but no title or publisher is given. Several books by Veeresh Malik appear on Amazon with "Look Inside" enabled; none have 2011 publication dates but they do allow us to see his writing style. Malik did write many articles in 2011 that appear on moneylife.in, many mentioning Hazare - here is one that is dated 06 April 2011. None have the text in the blog post. The books and articles are written in a vivid, immediate and personally engaged style that is quite unlike that of the blog material.

The blog appears on a domain that was registered in July 2014. It's the only entry; it's titled "IAC Chronicles Day 2" but there is no Day 1. The Wayback Machine has one entry for that domain, identical to its current state. The Wayback copy was made on the same day - 3 September 2014 - that the complainant Lindashiers (talk · contribs) made their first edit.

The text's perspective is consistent with having been written at a distance of a couple of years. The succinct summary style is consistent with writing an Misplaced Pages entry. I believe the burden is on anyone accusing Sitush of copying to show that that this blog is a genuine extract from a work written by Veeresh Malik between late Febrary 2011 and 6 April 2011, and not copied with minor changes from Misplaced Pages. NebY (talk) 19:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Fight for this page is sent to all India Against Corruption member to explain you nicely. The copy text is copy from the email date 6/April/2011 08:27 AM of Veersh bhai's intervue of Arvind Kejriwal on 5/April/2011 from jantar mantar Dehli. The email was originally also publish in members section of IAC website http://indiaagainstcorruption.org (WHOIS register to PCRF on 17/Oct/2010) on 6.April.2011. Most of Veershbhai email is published again in page 93 of Veershbhai's 2014 book "IAC Chronicles : An Ear to the ground".

"blog" link in copyright notice is for issueing the DMCA / OCCILLA notice to other OSP, it dos not have to be original link where it was first published, but only to contain enough of such content to identify the work being copied from. IAC related editor has already disclosed .

IAC person telling everything to these editor but they are keep deleting our helps. So if you not take action politely will send OCILLA / India CRA86 notice for takedown to OSP and also Mark Monitor. Since Veershbhai's idea/concept/intellecual property/artistic and creatiove rigts and all other IP is involved undr INDIA COPYRIGHT LAW also please note that just paraphrase the text will not resolve the issue. Dkgpatel (talk) 03:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

also you must note that since WIKIPEDEA has given wrong COPYRIGHT status as "Creative Commons" to Veershbhai's text, now WIKPEDIA / all involved editors must also ensure for immediate remove the copy content from "mirror sites" of Misplaced Pages, Facebook and many blogs which have copied / modify it under wrong perception of free from copyright status. Dkgpatel (talk) 03:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

• • • • As a special case, India Against Corruption, being owners / beneficiary of the domain name/website "INDIAAGAINSTCORRUPTION.NET" since 2010, would consider to release the extract from page 93 para 2 of its founding member's chronicles of the movement under a GFDL or similar licence, subject to the abovementioned link being always acknowledged as the source. This tentative proposal is made without prejudice and the timebound offer is valid for 72 hours. Dkgpatel (talk) 04:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

• The Princess and the Tin Box (history · last edit · rewrite) from http://books.google.com/books?id=4ODhaKpSg7YC&printsec=frontcover&dq=isbn:1582970254&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J38HVKOjCNOWgwSjq4GwBw&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false. DrWho42 (talk) 20:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)