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Please sign talk contributions

Your talk page contributions should be signed by ~~~~ and not by using Template:Unsigned; i.e. this is NOT correct. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

See WP:NPA. Do not make personal attacks such as this. Any future occurences will be reported at WP:PAIN. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to complain of being stalked, do so at WP:RFC. If you wish to complain about attacks by User:Fadix, do so at the same place, or at WP:PAIN. You may alternatively leave a message at WP:ANI or, and this should be a last resort, open a request at WP:RFAR. However, nothing Fadix does, or does not do, is an excuse for personal attacks by you. Please bear in mind, before opening an RFC or similar, that your own behaviour will be scrutinised.

My opinion, which counts for little without evidence, is that your record matches the expected behaviour of a sock- or meat-puppet. If you were a member of a cabal, your talk page would look like mine, with messages from your fellow conspirators. It doesn't, so why should you and Lutherian (talk • contribs) and Deepblue06 (talk • contribs) and the don't-know-how-to-sign anon users all sing from the exactly the same hymn sheet ? You can't say email because you don't have a valid email specified, and neither does Lutherian. Odd, to say the least. Only you can change the way things look, most easily by changing your editing habits. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Because, we speak of the truth, which is one and only. It does not need to be communicated with other 'conspirators'. I thought the only paronoid person was Fadix, but now I understand you are of the same kind. Go ahead and file a complaint about sock-puppet thing whatever that is, and make a fool of yourself or otherwise stop making false accusations. Deepblue06 13:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Neurobio, as far as I know Angusmclellan is not an administrator, but to be sure you can check the list of admins. So you don't need to take this guy quite seriously. He showed his true colors by his recent comments and edits.

I'm not planning to actively involved in this non-sense right now, but I might come later to torture myself more and hear more accusations:) Best Deepblue06 13:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

so this is hopeless. As you can see i am very new here. I started editing without really reading the guidelines. which is actually a mistake of course. initially I just looked at the "edit" page and copied the signature from other users. then I figured that on the top of each page it is written how to sign. You warned me and then i learned how to sign. the tracks are there that from that day on. I leave a valid sinature. Neurobio 13:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC) jut like that!

Cheap tactics revelaed

You may want to read some of the cheap tactics confessed by Fadix and THOTH  :)

You may also want to check Fadix's hillarious RfA draft , I cannot wait the time he submits this, he's clearly going to make a fool of himself :) 24.211.192.250 17:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

You're right Turks don't sufficiently defend their rightful position and they only stay in defense only reacting to Armenian attacks from time to time. The main reason is that Turks are not obsessed about this issue as much as Armenians. It's as if Armenian's whole being in this world, on the other hand an average Turk doesn't know about this issue and doesn't care about this issue, especially Turks living in Turkey. Most Turks are not aware of the anomosity of Armenians and their obsession on this issue.

Much can be done in this article, but I'm going through a busy time period in my career, so I cannot promise to contribute heavily, however I'll try to support others.

I think the best strategy is to stay away from any discussion that is not directed at contributing to the article, that's only a waste of time. We should pay extra effort to keep discussions focused. That's Fadix's main weapon, providing irrelevant sheer amount of information to counter his opponents claims.

With regard to the article, We should not accept framing the issue as the main position vs. Turkish goverment position. Their objective is to degrade the opposing view to Turkish government position. However, it's not only Turkish goverment who does not buy their claims. Turkish people (not only goverment), scholars like Lewis, Lewy, etc. and countries like UK, USA, Israel, and many others don't accept it. We should push strongly framing the article position supporting genocide claims vs. position opposing claims.

One also needs to make distinction between not accepting genocide and denial. The position we should push for is that this is unsettled history (as opposed to saying it did not happen), further research is needed to reach a conclusive decision, findings so far don't support genocide claims, to the contrary the large death toll is mainly due to intercommunal warfare, diseases, etc.

I also think more can be added with regard to comparison with the Jewish holocoust. The main difference -missing in the article- is that there is not an equivalent of Nuremberg trials. Armenians so far could not show the courage to go to an international court. This is quite important, which needs to expanded in the article. The Armenian lobby's strategy is to put pressure on politicians, exploit western democracies and get legistlation passed in these countries, as opposed to bringing their case to an international court or agreeing to forming a committee of international historians to research the issue. We should try to clearly reveal this sick strategy in the article.

I'm not a historian, so I cannot say much about the validity of death toll statistics or the events that led to relocation decisions, but I'm suspicious about the claims articulated in the article.

Finally, we should push for adding tallarmeniantale site to the external links. They are scared to death from this web site. Their arguments (racist web site, providign false info) are baseless. There are links to even terrorist organization web sites such as PKK, in other articles. So there should not be problem for tallarmeniantale given that it's most well known non-govermental website.

Yeah, there are lots of things to do. One more thing unless somebody requests unprotection, the article will stay protected.

Cheers Deepblue06 23:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I wasn't banned due to anything for the Armenian genocide article. I'm quite positive that I can get THOTH and Fadix punished if I spend some time for that, but I don't think this's worth the effort. Fadix accused me at least 3-4 times for being somebody else, and he keeps accusing others, and he's quite incivil in this posts, actually that's why I decided to ignore him. One can make a very good case for him, and report either to admin notice boards, or RfC, or to incivility board. The same thing goes for THOTH. He made many personal attacks.

As far as I know, Lutherian got a few blocking punishments due to selective espionage on part of some users like Khoihoi and Angus... who just report bad things about users opposing genocide claims but ignore incivil posts of Fadix and THOTH. We also have a few anon idiot users who are posting curse words (as if that's going to help countering ARmenian claims), actually, I think it's good to ban those users anyway, no matter which side they support. Deepblue06 23:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

FYI Deepblue06 00:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that at least some admins have common sense Deepblue06 22:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

FYI

I've noticed this, the same gang in business Deepblue06 10:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Your support comment at would be helpful. They nominate all articles for deletion which they perceive as against their cause. They want to silence any person that speak differently, it's disgusting. Deepblue06 03:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No Problem

You are welcome. Andycjp June 2006

Behavioral test

Hi there, neurobio! I've replied on my talk page. --David Iberri (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

re

Maybe I'm on those medications and am a schizo? :) Just kidding, lets just say that the brain is one of my many interests. Fad (ix) 04:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Contact

You can use the following to e-mail me , cheers Deepblue06 23:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Davison

Reverted again,and I will keep reverting the addition of Davison, within 3RR limits, until we get a more recent source that a 20-yo open letter. This tells me that Halacoglu and his collaborators didn't find Davison's Essays in Ottoman and Turkish history, 1774-1923 palatable, which makes me seriously doubt whether it supports the "Turkish Government" position. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That would only be true if the article said "these people signed an open letter". Since it goes far beyond that, oddly enough, I'll keep removing him. What now ? WP:3RR I think. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this edit. I reported you for 3RR violation, but I am not Armenian. Your threat of disruption reported to the Admin who blocked you for 3RR here. The Armenian Genocide article is need of very many improvements, in particular in the "Turkish Reponse" section (which is close to unreadable and presents the case poorly). There are many edits you could make which would be uncontroversial and constructive, especially as regards Halacoglu's work. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you please check my edit here to make sure that it keeps the sense of the original argument. If you think it doesn't, can you let me know what's wrong with it. Please do have a look at the Halacoglu section following that if you have time. Thanks. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

apologies

I thought we were tuesday :-O lutherian 18:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Armenians in the Russian Army

Hopefully we're talking about the same army here but I don't deny the fact that there were Armenians in the Russian army, perhaps more than you listed. The Russian Empire's Caucasian Army must have consisted of God knows, how many different ethnic groups asides from the Armenians: Georgians, Tatars, Chechens, Russians of course, Assyrians, Yezdis, etc etc. The assertion from the Turkish government at that time was that 150,000 Armenians had turned tail en masse, which was not true. I remember Henry Morgenthau also commenting on this and his exact words were that half the Armenians worldwide were living inside the Russian Empire. As a royal subject of the Tsar, all men were by law, liable for military duty, whether they be a Muslim Azeri or a Christian Georgian or a Christian Armenian, it didn't matter. I'm quite sure many Armenians were enthusiastic about joining the Ottoman Military in order to serve their country. Take a look at the Ottoman officer on my page, that's my grandfather's, cousin's father. The picture has been preserved for decades and I was lucky enough to scan and upload it on to here. His brother was a soldier too and he was demoted, sent to be a pack mule, and killed by his own Turkish comrades. The man in the picture, learning of his possible fate, tried to escape but was killed. Theirs too many irregularities, anomalies if you will, that didn't give the correct sense that a standard relocation process was occurring.--MarshallBagramyan 00:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Whois data

The Whois data for anonymous users is accessible from Misplaced Pages. If you go to User talk:85.98.108.2, which is empty, the wiki software defaults to editing the page and doesn't show the whois links. If you use the full URL, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:85.98.108.2 the Whois shortcuts appears. Whois data is not personal info. As it says on the page, "If you're concerned with privacy, registering also hides your IP address." Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, but it wasn't supposed to be nice. Anyway, apologies for not fixing up the census stuff yet as discussed. I haven't forgotten. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I am sorry about that. In case you haven't noticed already, Fadix has left Misplaced Pages—and for the dumbest reason too! Heck, I've been blocked way more times than he has. Anyways, my concern is that the Armenian Genocide/Ermeni Soykırımı discussion page is turning into a place for people to just insult each other (from both sides). A break might always be a good idea, I think that in addition to having a Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation we should have one for Turks and Armenians as well... —Khoikhoi 19:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Halacoglu

Thanks for the offer. Citing the books is preferable to web links, web sites come and go but it should always be possible to find the books. There would be no harm in having the links as well though. I see no reason why there should be an edit war over this. If you need any help, please let me know and I'll do what I can. I should be able to check Facts on the relocation of Armenians (1914-1918) next month; the national library here doesn't have it, but the one in Scotland does, and I'll be visiting the next time I am over in Edinburgh. Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I will get started with the Halacoglu stuff today. I'll put it in a sandbox so you can check it over before I add it to the article. I'll let you know where it is when I am done with the first draft. Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing to do with Halacoglu, just keeping everything in one place. Well, you can take my "prominent" edit as an example of WP:POINT in action; still the people who are left are prominent Ottoman historians, no disputing that. I also disagree with KM's "Denial" subheading: denial and opposition both exist, but they are not the same thing. But I'll leave that for later. The disputed "propaganda anti Turkish site" that Lutherian deleted and which was reverted, is actually complete rubbish, and if were Lutherian, I'd have left it in. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

armenian genocide

hi there. I know that this article has caused serious headache and problem to you in the past. Fadix who was the main trouble maker there left wiki for good. maybe now you can consider coming back and helping us for the sake of Neutrality. see u.neurobio 11:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Greetings. The reason I am not very active on that particular article was not Fadix (I am not intimidated by incivility and other nonsense). Until 23:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC), I intend to stay away from that article as per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek

I am not very knowlegable on the issue. But articles pathetic shape is so apperant, it does not require knowlege (there was a propoganda posters at a point).

What I might recomend is arbitration to resolve the current nonsense going on mostly on the talk page.

--Cat out 12:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Neuro, I dont know how to put copyright tags to the images I uploaded. Could you help me out on this Also I would like to put the images I uploaded to the article. You can find them in our regular discussion page. See you

--Sokrateskerem 17:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

"POV" simply means supporting a certain type of view. The image isn't doing that that I can see; rather, it's demonstrating the holiday created to memorialize the event. --InShaneee 02:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Calm down. If you're hoping to get it removed, you're going to have to take it up on the talk page, though I know the consensus there was to keep it. As to it being 'propaganda', if the holiday was actually celebrated, then it's a fact, and can't be POV. Rather, it should be emphasized as a part of the history. --InShaneee 02:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

==Ataturk photograph==--MarshallBagramyan 00:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC) Neuro, you do know that the forged image of Ataturk was quite intentional by Armenians don't you? As in it was made to show what litte indifference Turks make on people's sufferings and the crimes done by the Ottoman Empire? You actually thought that was a photograph that was made to make Ataturk look a bad guy who would pose in front of bodies and that we thought that Turks would never figure it out? Please tell me you did know that, the entire point was to show the world on how careless the Turkish government and people have been on facing their past. I can't imagine why anyone else would not think that was an intentional falsification.--MarshallBagramyan 16:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

well its in very bad taste and there are a lot of ignorent ppl out there who take such things at face value, and how insulting of you to suggest that it was made in good faith to show to the world that Turks are insensitive to the suffering of others! Shows how little you know of the Turkish psyche! lutherian 21:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

And likewise, you of the Armenians'. Turning to Neuro, I would say that such an event would be horrific. The important thing is that your "eye withnesses, stories, pictures plus massgraves" are nearly completely unsupported by people who were living and working with the area, whether they were American, French, British, Swedish, Italian, Dutch, German, or Austro-Hungarian didn't matter, they all reported that Armenians were being forcefully deported and executed without discrimination. these people "biased" in Armenians' favor is a cop out, pure and simple. I was watching a documentary where an Armenian currently living in Istanbul whose parents survived the death marches was accosted by a Turkish soldier while his wife was giving birth and exclaiming "We're trying to wipe you from the roots, and you're still breeding!?" in addition to several Turks and Kurds who were told by their parents and grandparents and admitting not only to what they had done but also sorrow. Calling the witnesses "biased" is a simple cop out of avoiding the awful truth. Take a look at that map of Kars on my page and match it up with the actual map of Kars. Notice any similiarities? An exact facsimile that is an artifact in Armenia today of a land where my grandfather grew up for six years until be forced to flee for their lives. Note also the picture of the Ottoman officer's photograph, an Armenian, killed by his own officers along with his brother. My nene, my great-grandmother, lived in Constantinople in 1915. She along with her sister and her father were deported through a death march where they recounted many examples of the extermination of them. She survived, thanks in part to Americans in an orphanage. Too many gaps, too many holes in your country's "version" of what had happend.

Its difficult since you were brought up in Turkey's anti-genocide atmosphere, conditioned to reject all claims while accepting that there were "some deaths". I'm just happy that people in your country are beginning to see through the government's lies and finally realizing that 1915 was anything but an ordinary year. Hopefully you will one day too. Regards, Armen.--MarshallBagramyan 06:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

In 1915, the Armenian population was nearly 1.8 million 2 million. By the 1920s, the population dropped to 65,000. Turkish claims of Armenian "brutality" and deaths stemmed AFTER the Armenians were deported and executed by 1916-1917. By then, any Armenians who did anything were members of the Russian Imperial Army, not Turkish citizens who had revolted. Its foolish to think that many of you aren't taught to deny this, or else I wouldn't be here quarelling with you and hundreds of other Turks who all deny it from ever occuring with such tenacity and passion. The French, the Americans, the Swedes, the Dutch, your allies the Germans and Austro-Hungarians, the English, the Italians, the Russians all claim the opposite of what you say happend and so according to them and the Armenian diaspora survivors that was originally shooed away in 1915, and the eyewitnesses of that time say you guys are lying and that revolts, mass desertions have been concotions, inventions to excuse the behavior your forefathers. I have met only 2-3 Turks who have accepted it and they are ones who emigrated from Turkey. I don't believe the story about the Armenian bands or the generous nene. We're deluding ourselves if we think an unarmed, ethnic minority was somehow able to commit a mass slaughter akin to a death toll from a World War II battle. The Kurds confessed and admitted to their crimes and we accepted their apologies. You people are now left in a small little gap that gets smaller and smaller as each year new countries recognize that 1915 was a Genocide.--MarshallBagramyan 00:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I have little reason to believe you and other Turks who make such claims. I forgot if it was Bayar or someone else from the defence ministry who went to the United States and made such claims only to be upstaged when he was unable to answer back the questions in the holes in his story of how supposedly his family suffered the same fate in 1915. You come to Misplaced Pages with the mindset that there was no genocide and have dodged issues left and right which puncture holes straight through your thesis. So please, excuse my skepticism.--MarshallBagramyan 01:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Warning

I dropped him a note (IMHO, it might well have been intended simply as a comparison, and he may not have realized it could be taken as a pretty serious insult). In the future, don't forget you can always politely remind users to be civil if they step out of line. Typically, admins only need to get involved when the two users have exaughted all attempts to work things out on their own. --InShaneee 16:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

YGM

You Got Mail ;-) lutherian 21:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

photo

Thats a great photo and much closer to the truth! I agree with you 101% on this lutherian 21:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW

I did not write about the fact that you have writen the % before the number in one of your posts(and not once I believe). This is often the mistake native Turks make, since the 'yüzde' is written before the number, still the Ottoman influence. So as translating Princek, or in the past, the way you wrote the 'i.' Irrelevent I know, but just consider that no matter what is your etnicity, it is the argumentation you provide that counts, you don't have to pretend. Regards. Fad (ix) 17:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What is sure is that 24.... and Deepblue are the same person, and I am pretty sure that he is indeed Holdwater, one of the reasons being an update about Dadrian which was still not indexed in the search engines from his site which he brought. Also, some other evidences like the choice of the login, his style etc. I don't expect him accepting it, he refused to accept it while he got his Torque account, even if his login at Amazon pointed to the same place, as well as the fact that Holdwater and Torque were registered indeed during the same period on Misplaced Pages. Also the IP 24.... was used starting on September 2005, and there are wholes in my test, suhhesting that he is hidding under other aliases or IPs, had it not been of Lutherian and his IPs, maybe I could have made that link at the beginning. Also, both(Holdwater and Deepblue) have the same behavior, Deepblue allegedly left after feeling that administrators are 'anti-Turk' while Torque did the same thing when few administrators started sensing for what he was here. Even Tony during my slanders against Torque when paying a closer look at Torque messages called him not more than a trouble maker. Fad (ix) 20:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Believe me, you are in the wrong track. :) You view the diaspora like a huge government, with intellectuals pied to get Turkey down. Unlike what you think, I am 'working' alone. If you go through my contribution here in Misplaced Pages, you will see that I started also contributing in the Khmer Rouge article in the past regarding the genocide in Cambodia, I left the article only after I realised the editors were there for Capitalist vs Communist flame wars(and politic disgust me). You will also find me (perhaps not much here on Misplaced Pages), in discussions involving race based intelligence or such nonesense. My dedication is beyond my Armenian identity, which explains why I am much more effective. Also, I have interest in subjects such as Rudolf, Rassinier, Faurisson revisionism. While most Armenian 'patriots' scream 'genocide, genocide, genocide...' I take the time to read the materials writen about the matter, and take time debunking revisionists. Much like, I love debunking Rushton's incorporation of r/K strategy and the history of human life to classify humans in different races, or Lynn uses of IQ tests which were not respecting a common scientific protocole to pictures Black's as less equal than others.

My Turkish? Well yeh, I do understand a little bit, for the % I needed a confirmation, so I emailed a Turkish friend, who confirmed it to me, that person had no time answering me at that time, this is why I was so late confirming that.

Regarding Holdwater, lets say that it is better for now that you keep your feelings and I keep mines, as for age, lets say that I am not that old. :) Fad (ix) 23:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Where I claimed to be neutral in the talk page? I am neutral only in the articles namespace. Everyone can have opinions about subjects, what counts in the end of the day, is if your changes in the articles namespace is indeed neutral. This is what really matters. Regarding Katchadouni, I hope you will read the entire discussion one more time. No one denies what happened in TransCaucasia, but this has little to do with Anatolia.

As for Charny, the only time I refered to him was the survey he passed about those that signed the advertisement, so I don't understand what you mean.

Regarding Torque, yes! I have gone overboard when dealing with him, and probably I acted like an immature kid, but this is definitly the language that guy understand, I have delt with him in the past, and addressed his material elsewhere, he then decided to dump those materials here.

Regarding incivility, you realise that I don't like you, not because you are a Turk, but because of your behavior, not to say your request of a sourced material removal after I announced my departure, or your message to Coolcat. Or your lack of assume good faith and your attack on my entire contribution here on the article, and this from your first contribution. Also, the whole story about the forged identity. I am not politically correct, at least when I think something about someone, I address it and tell it on his face. You can not expect being treated well by someone when you do everything to not be respected.

As for the population figures, this has been addressed, there are two other articles about this.

BTW, about the Diaspora, what are you expecting the Diaspora to do? They are the children of the survivors who witness that not only the Turkish republic deny it, with the majority of Turks, but the rôle of the victims and agressors is reversed. Fad (ix) 00:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The Armenian Genocide

No. It's called "denial" because these so-called "historians" as you call them, deny that the Armenian Genocide was a genocide. They do not "oppose" the Genocide that the Turks commited against the Armenians. -- Karl Meier 14:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Can you revert KM's denial term and he also removed the prominent term from the list of scholars, which was the result of consensus with Angus? 24.211.192.250 23:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I can only do it after 4:00 (which means tomorrow because i will sleep soon) or it wil be 3 revet rule violation and i will be banned for a day.neurobio 00:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to have more than one revert in the last 24 hours. May be I'm missing something. In any case, no problem. 24.211.192.250 00:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

3 revert rule does not include all changes. Your changes would be counted towards 3 revert rule only if they were reverting the article to a previous version. In other words, edits of other nature are not counted. You can read the exact rule here . 24.211.192.250 00:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I find that some of the bodies listed in the international recognition of Armenian genocide are not true (league for human rights, and the UN sub-commission). I changed them. I know that they will be reverted, but this is something that needs to be corrected. 24.211.192.250 03:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you make a full revert, that's more effective? Karl inserted lots of ungrounded POV, you only fixed a few of them 24.211.192.250 23:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

You can also remove fact tags in the opposition paragraph because there's already a reference included at the end of the paragraph. 24.211.192.250 23:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

To revert the article to a previous version, you click that version from the history, and click edit this page (you'll see a warning that you're editing an old version) and click save, in your revision summary make sure you include "rv". You can experiment this in your talk page or user page.

This time if you remove the fact tags that'll be it, there's no point for fighting the photos, (which is stupid is this a photo gallery, or what? :) ) 24.211.192.250 23:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

If no one else complains. But I still don't see any evidence that says they are prominent. If you could link me some that would help. John Smith's 23:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you noticed that one of the children in the recent AG photo is circumsized? That's quite fishy 24.211.192.250 00:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

With regard to circumsicion, I need this info confirmed from another source.

Probably the photo is well documented. But we have to take Armin Wegner's word to believe that these corpses do indeed belong to Armenians. On a seperate note, children dying due to starvation shows nothing, at that time, there were also many Turkish and Kurdish children were dying due to starvation. 24.211.192.250 00:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Jews get circumsized, but Orthodox Christians normally don't . However, it's difficult to rule out some of them who might choose to do it on their own, who knows. 24.211.192.250 22:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

After some digging, I found out that some Armenians indeed get circumsized 24.211.192.250 22:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll be gone until August, take care 24.211.192.250 10:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Can you keep an eye on ? Karl Meier is essentially attempting to delete it through directing it to the PKK article. 24.211.192.250 10:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at this , guess who's there voting24.211.192.250 00:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Regarding this edit: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --InShaneee 16:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Quote comment

just a question. the quote "You've persecuted us for generations... And now you beg us to aid you? We will do what we must... But we do it for Aiur, not you!". is it from a Ursula Leguen book or am I mistaken.neurobio 00:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It is from Zeratul of Starcraft. :) --Cat out 00:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

oh yea now I remember. that ghostly character.:)neurobio 00:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Dark Templar... :) --Cat out 00:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Pictures and Arabic

Hi Neurobio. I saw your request at Mustapha's talk page. According to Mustapha's contribs, he seems to be busy lately. Could you please send them to me? Cheers -- Szvest 19:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Three-Revert Rule

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Armenian Genocide. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. Stifle (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Er?

I don't understand what you mean. I just checked your contributions, and the only thing I have seen that is a candidate on what might be your point is your reference to me on your talkpage.

First, the page is an evidence page, not a 'prove' page. I evidence and I do not prove nor claim anything.

Second, no I don't follow you, so yes indeed you are talking behind my back.

Thirdly, Torque always denied being Holdwater, while he IP pointed to New-York, where Holdwater lived, used the same expressions, the same login as used on Amazon, the same references, the same style and a number of fetish words, without including the registration of the login Holdwater here on Misplaced Pages with one contribution. So, I don't expect Holdwater to admit being him ever, while he never admitted in the obvious situation.

Forthly, Both one of the IPs used by Deepblue06 and 24...., point to different locations, while the merging shows a correlation, which again is suspicious.

Fift, I don't see how well you are placed to judge me in anyway or call me obsessed, when you have claimed having read 4 mb of materials, as well as having admitbly lied all along and requested to be trusted again and now are contributing as if nothing happened.

Finally, It appears that you are the one talking about me while I almost forgot of your existance. Fad (ix) 02:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't buy any of the crap you have said. You can try selling your sausage, but your 'I have lost my ancestors' sell them elsewhere. Both sides of my family were survivors, in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Armenia etc. orphanages were build and run specifically for those like my grandparents who were orphaned. You will hardly find any from the Diaspora who doesn't have the same story. Between both of us, you were the one having continuisly lied and this after having told you to stop doing so, and now you are comming up with just as much of a crap to sell here in Misplaced Pages.

And yes! I feel honest of myself, I have been consistant and said the truth all along, I might have gone overboard few times, but honesty, I know what it means. And I have never ever tried to accuse an entire nation, the only time I have played this cheap game was when Torque AKA Holdwater has attempted to equal the word Armenian as a word of the underworld even associating them with the NAZI or such crap. Where have you seen me marauding in Turkish related articles by slandering turks. Afteral, you have your contribution nearly limited to an article which the center topic is indeed the Armenians. If you expect to sell your sausage to any Armenians by telling how Armenians have killed your encestors, you can't expect any of them to feel sorry about them, when you are denying the event in which 2/3 of every Diasporan Armenian encestors have perished.

I am ignoring you, so do the same. Fad (ix) 04:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, my internet activities are none of your business, had I wanted to, I would have used another pseudonym and be done with it. But I have been honest all along, a quality which you lack of. Fad (ix) 04:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)