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Thanks for the notice, it's resolved. Is there some way to monitor for errors with Lua? There are a lot of possibles with this script and difficult to check them all, though I believe everything is OK. BTW I adapted some of your code/ideas from Module:AFC_submission_catcheck. On removing false positives when getting Category data. Thank you. -- GreenC 00:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@Green Cardamom: I suggest that you pull information like that from Wikidata rather than attempting to parse a wiki page. Also, will give you a (not very pretty) list of pages with script errors, newest first. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata is a good idea as first step, then fallback to Category. I looked at Wikibase Client and various example code and can't figure out how to open a database entity that isn't the current page ie. how to determine the ID for a page (label). For example Douglas Adams has an ID of 'Q42', but what if all we know is the label ('Douglas Adams'), how to do a mw.wikibase.getEntityObject? -- GreenC 16:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@Green Cardamom: For this purpose, why do you need to fetch for any page other than the current one? Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

So it can be used and demonstrated on other pages, like the documentation page or talk pages e.g.:

Works by or about Charles Dickens at the Internet Archive

{{Internet Archive author|name=Charles Dickens}}

..includes birth/death dates in the URL. It would be confusing to have different IA search results for Charles Dickens depending what page the template is hosted. It's not critical but would be good to have. I guess you're saying there is no support for it. What I can do then is try wikibase first and if no dates then getContent() as backup. GetContent() is working ok, just a question of extra load to pull (once) and search (twice) the entire article. -- GreenC 04:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@Green Cardamom: At some point, we will be able to pull from other articles. I think it's a bad idea to use getContent at all though, even in the interim. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Is it safe to assume all dates on Wikidata are in Georgian format eg. Qin Shi Huang is born 258 BC, but is AD/BC used for all cultures? Still would like a backup method if Wikidata fails to provide the info, it won't be a common occurrence. I will (rightly?) assume that Wikidata info is as current as Misplaced Pages Category data, and if Wikidata doesn't return a PropertyValue it doesn't exist as a Misplaced Pages Category either. But if it fails to open mw.wikibase.getEntityObject() then will assume it's a non-mainspace article and try the alt method of getContent(). It will be very few, mostly just on the documentation page, testcases page, this talk page etc.. here's the sandbox code, two functions near the bottom, bdDate() for Wikidata method and bdDateAlt() for getContent method. -- GreenC 18:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. It affected living people with no death info on Wikidata ('P570'). I should have thought of it, but it didn't show up on the test cases page for the same reason above (unable to get Wikidata except on the actual page). I'll remember to test on real pages in addition. -- GreenC 04:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• You can now log into Phabricator, the new tool to track bugs. Create your account and add your Bugzilla email address. We are copying the bugs from Bugzilla. Bugzilla is still open.
• You will now get the VisualEditor newsletter in your language if someone has translated it. You can add translations. You can know about the next translations by joining the translators list or asking Elitre (WMF).

Problems

• 10% of Tool Labs was down on October 7.
• Tool Labs was also broken on October 11.

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf3) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since 9 October. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis from 14 October, and on all Wikipedias from 16 October (calendar).
• 5% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature.

Meetings

• You can join a meeting with Language developers on October 15, 2014 at 17:00 (UTC).
• There is a proposal to organize file pages better. It would use the same tools as Wikidata. You can join a meeting about it on October 16, 2014 at 18:00 (UTC).
• You can join a meeting about VisualEditor on October 18, 2014 at 18:00 (UTC).

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08:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Module:RfD

when this module is substituted, it leaves a {{{|safesubst:}}} behind. is this necessary? the reason I ask that the WP:WikiProject Check Misplaced Pages has a list for cleaning up "programming elements" which have been included in articles (e.g., when someone substitutes a template that shouldn't be substituted). a key signature of this sort of thing is three braces. to work-around the fact that this module is adding {{{|safesubst:}}}, they just made this change to explicitly ignore pages with {{{|safesubst:}}}. can we just fix the module instead? Frietjes (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: I could do <includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly> instead of {{{|safesubst:}}}, but "safesubst:" itself is necessary somehow. Would that option be better? Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

yes, that would be an improvement! Frietjes (talk) 21:53, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

or, on second thought, let's get some more feedback first ... Frietjes (talk) 21:55, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Since it's equivalent, but better than what we have now, I'll do it for now, and we can always change it again later. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

okay. my concern was if the checkwiki project is looking for <includeonly>...</includeonly> as well, but it looks like this isn't the case (yet). Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Anyway, the module's fixed now, so all new nominations will be right, and I've fixed a few of the existing ones (see my latest contributions). As for the rest, either wait for all of the RfDs already open today to be closed (which will take a few weeks), or a BRFA could be filed to use AWB to automatically fix all the rest. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

The checkwiki lists are done in the first week of each month, using the database dump, so it should be mostly resolved by the time the lists are generated. thank you again. Frietjes (talk) 22:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal to update R2 criterion for "Special talk:" redirects

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal to update R2 criterion for "Special talk:" redirects. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} 15:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)Template:Z48

Tech News: 2014-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. You can read translations.

Recent changes

• You can test a new system to see math using MathML. Go to your display options and choose "⧼mw math mathml⧽".
• You can add badges in Wikidata for quality articles and featured lists.

File information cleanup

• You can join a wiki project to help tools read file information. It will help people reuse files.
• See how to fix metadata. You can fix it by adding markers to templates and adding templates to files.
• You can see a list of files missing machine-readable information on your wiki.
• The files missing readable data are also in these categories: no license, no description, no author or no source.

Problems

• Developers fixed a security problem. If you use Internet Explorer 6, you won't be able to log in any more. You should use a newer browser.

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf4) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 16. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis from October 21, and on all Wikipedias from October 23 (calendar).
• 10% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature.
• If you add the same parameter twice in a template, it now puts the page in a tracking category.

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13:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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Adminship?

Seeing that you would like to be an admin (userbox) I think that you should give it a try. WP:RfA has been dead lately and we need a new candidate! --AmaryllisGardener 02:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: You're not the first one to ask this. I was a little nervous then, but I guess I will give it a go now. I talked with Mr. Stradivarius about this on IRC a while back, and he offered to nominate me. I've pinged him above to let him know. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, excellent news. :) I'll write you up a nom when I have a spare moment. — Mr. Stradivarius 02:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I'd come out of my wiki break to be a co-nom; I was going to wait a while to ask Jackmcbarn about an RFA, but since you guys beat me to it, if you could let me know where the nomination is posted, I'd be happy to be a co-nom. Steel1943 (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

...So, Jackmcbarn, whaddya say? Sounds like you already have a few editors willing to nominate you, so... Sounds promising? :) Steel1943 (talk) 04:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Scratch that. As I stated in one of my above statements, I made mention that I was "going to wait", and that's exactly what I'm going to do. At this time, I have some concerns that would make me a "strong neutral". I feel that there are some aspects that may need to be worked out first, but I'm not going to post them here, unless requested. Basically, I don't want my concerns to derail an RFA for Jackmcbarn. I really think that Jackmcbarn will be an incredible administrator, but some concerns that I have about recent edits prevents me from wanting to nominate at this time. Steel1943 (talk) 05:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Steel1943: I think it would be a good idea to post your concerns here. You would have to post them at the RfA anyway, and if they are legitimate someone would probably post them at the RfA even if you didn't. The more data we have now, the better the decisions we can make. We should wait for Jackmcbarn to reply here, first, though, as he might prefer to deal with this by email or on IRC. — Mr. Stradivarius 08:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: @Steel1943: I'd like any concerns to be raised here. Jackmcbarn (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Jackmcbarn, I was just looking through your recent edits, and ... I honestly cannot remember what my concerns were. Whatever they were, they may have been valid at one point, but if anything, looking at your even-more recent edits have resolved my concerns ... that I cannot remember. In fact, me just recently looking at other edits of yours in other administration-areas which I had no idea of your track record just enforced my original thought that nominating you is the correct thing to do in my mind. So ... count me in as a co-nom, again. Steel1943 (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius, Steel1943, and AmaryllisGardener: Yes, I'm ready then. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: Would you mind sending me a note or Ping when the RFA draft is created? If you could, I should be able to respond within 24 hours of the note/Ping. (My Misplaced Pages access is a bit limited right now, thus the reason why my user pages state that I'm on a "WikiBreak".) Steel1943 (talk) 16:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. — Mr. Stradivarius 14:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Jack, sorry to take so long with this - this is just to let you know that I haven't forgotten. I've finished writing up all my notes for the nomination now, but it's a bit late here to put it all into prose. I'll get the finished text written tomorrow. — Mr. Stradivarius 14:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

• @Mr. Stradivarius: If you could, please Ping me/message me before the nomination goes live so that I can put myself down on the nomination as a co-nom. Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Oops, I completely overlooked the response above. Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: Can I be a co-nom too? --AmaryllisGardener 17:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

05:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

	The Technical Barnstar
	For your hard work fixing MediaWiki bugs, including this major issue with pending changes and your responsiveness at WT:FILTER. You're the best! — MusikAnimal 23:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)