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Tarc

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Request concerning Tarc

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Avono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:03, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Tarc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Tarc_topic-banned :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 00:57, 12 February 2015 Commenting on a request for enforcement concerning NorthBySouthBaranof's gamergate edits
2. 13:28, 12 February 2015 Commenting on a gamergate related article concerning WP:ARBGG.

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Discussion concerning Tarc

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Statement by Tarc

Diff #1, albeit snarky, is in regards to a policy question wrt ban exceptions, it was not a comment on the Gamergate topic. This was on an admin's talk page, and if said admin did not have a problem with it, I see little reason for Avono to come crying to AE.

Diff #2 is an observation that either the God-King or an Arbitrator may be being a bit less than truthful, as their statements are in direct contradiction to one another. Again, not a discussion about Gamergate itself.

The weight I put upon a "complaint" filed by a) a single-purpose-account who b) was not involved in either discussion is immeasurably infinitesimal. In both instances, I was discussing the failings of Wikipedian editors in regards to policy. None of it was directly tied to the hallowed gamergate...a topic which no longer exists on my watchlist in any form. In perusing recent AE cases though, it is heartening to see that several of Avono's GG cohorts have been shown the door, which is likely the source for this angsty and malicious filing. He and bros no doubt celebrated the Arb finding that topic-banned...or banned outright in the case of the shafted Ryulong...several of us, and anticipated that the coast was clear for a pro-Gamergate slant to the topic area. It must be a bitter pill to swallow to see karma returned in thrice. For that, my joy is immense. Tarc (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Avono, I have a field of cares; gaze upon it, and witness the barrenness thereof. You had your say, I had my rebuttal, and I am not going to lower myself to further debate. The admins are perfectly capable of looking at what was said without further elucidation from you. Tarc (talk) 20:17, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

@Admins, IIRC from WP:GGE, comments like AQFK's that advance no argument and provide no diffs or evidence were rather frowned upon. Given the mob tactics that were all too common around this topic area, it helped reduce the SNR considerably. Tarc (talk) 02:11, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@AQFK, the point is, you're adding nothing but a "yep, I dun think that thar boy's guilty" opinion, and your hasty rewrites, reversions, and tweaks subsequent to my comment above have done nothing to change that. With that, I do not perceive a need to say more. Tarc (talk) 02:43, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I have nothing further to say regarding someone who lies so blatantly. I quite clearly pointed out that AE comments devoid of evidence that are just a "me too" opinion were frowned upon at GGE. That is all. I am off to important things. Tarc (talk) 03:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Avono

You edited a talkpage titled "Barnof" in which Carrite states Your interpretation of BLP that ostensible BLP defense excuses violation of an Arbcom topic ban by NxSBaranof is, shall we say, unique. That you have at the same time moved to topic ban off one of Baranof's innumerable opponents does not speak well for your judgment. Please consider yourself "involved" with respect to any future motions made against him — his site ban is coming. This relates to an enforcement request related to NBSB editing the GG page under WP:BANEX. According to WP:TBAN ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic. For example, if an editor is banned from the topic "weather", they are not only forbidden to edit the article Weather, but also everything else that has to do with weather, such as:discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages, for instance a deletion discussion concerning an article about a meteorologist, but also including edit summaries and the user's own user and talk pages. NBSB ban exception occurred when he edited the gamergate article. The discussion about the Arb was related to the Gamergate case. Therefore I conclude that these edits are covered under the broadly constructed topic ban. Avono (talk) 19:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Comment by uninvolved A Quest for Knowledge

I don't see how diff #2 is anything but a topic-ban violation. The point of a topic-ban is to get an editor to completely disengage from a particular topic, not to let them poke around the edges of it. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Tarc: Ummm...so you're saying that cites to a diff "provide no diffs or evidence" and that arguments that "the point of a topic-ban is to get an editor to completely disengage from a particular topic, not to let them poke around the edges of it" advance no argument? Seriously?? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Tarc: Ummm...no. You originally stated that cites to a diff aren't cites to a diff and that arguments that advance an argument aren't arguments that advance an argument. You did say these things, correct? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Tarc: So you're accusing me of being a liar? I've been accused of many things on Misplaced Pages, but this might be the first time I've ever been accused of being dishonest. Can you please tell me what exactly I've lied about? Here are the exact words of my comment:

I don't see how diff #2 is anything but a topic-ban violation. The point of a topic-ban is to get an editor to completely disengage from a particular topic, not to let them poke around the edges of it.

Which part of that is a "blatent" lie? ArbCom has already determined that your conduct is so problematic...

Tarc has engaged in edit warring (e.g., ) and battleground conduct (e.g., , , , ). Tarc has already been sanctioned in three previous cases (Feb 2012, Oct 2013, Oct 2014 Oct 2014).

...that it required your ban from this topic. Do you honestly think that resorting to personal attacks in an WP:AE request where you clearly and obviously violated your topic ban helps your cause, or confirms ArbCom's finding in this case as well as the three previous findings?

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by DHeyward

Already NBSB has been warned by HJ Mitchell that he walking on the wrong side of the razors edge. Avono pointing out the same issue wit Tarc is not somehow sanctionable against Avono. Bernstein is blocked. There can be no interaction with him. It's ludicrous to even propose that pointing out actual TBAN violations is somehow the fault of the victims. If admins don't like the TBANs take it up with ArbCom but not those that report it. They are TBanned for a reason, not by mistake. Tarc was warned as well so "snarky" doesn't cut it as an excuse. --DHeyward (talk) 05:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: @Callanecc: The most prolific reporter of people "on the other side" is NBSB. Even with his topic ban NBSB was able to edit Jimbo's talk page on the topic, make borderline BLP reversions and report Retartist (no boomerang there?). Yet NBSB is not site banned (yet) or even sanctioned for this behavior in any way. If Avono comes anywhere close to NBSB's reports, it might be fair to look at it the way you propose but until then, he's a small drop in the giant swamp. --DHeyward (talk) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Callanecc: @Gamaliel: - it wasn't clear if you wanted NBSB diffs and what the purpose is. If it's to look at further sanctions against NBSB, that is not my thing and won't provide them for that. However, if it's for comparison regarding Avono and used to exonerate Avono, I would provide them as an example. I believe I have four separate users being reported for discretionary sanctions in addition to the post arbcom examples that were more recent. I didn't bother looking through ANI reports. In short, I don't think Avono is a problematic reporter given the wide latitude that has been afforded other reporters. Callanecc, your comment that providing diffs would be casting aspersions seems opposite to what you intended so please clarify. --DHeyward (talk) 05:23, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

@Callanecc: My statement was only that scrutiny being brought on Avono is disproportional to complaint filers in general (the number of complaints is over time and would be considered stale and post-arbcom - nevertheless, volume of complaints was never scrutinized so it seems rather arbitrary to implement now). I do not wish to make this a "ban them all" discussion which seems to be what you are asking for in terms of evidence. My argument isn't that NBSB deserves more scrutiny, only that the proposal for Avono is disproportionate than what has been previously applied. That should matter to those trying to apply even handed standards. The volume of complaints has never been brought up before so this new standard has not been applied. Just as NBSB was not sanctioned for his BANEX being legitimate, it seems logical that a AE report that resulted in a AE action is justified. --DHeyward (talk) 03:47, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

HJ_Mitchell I believe the complaint was over multiple talk pages and particularly this one and filed immediately. The slow part was that the discussion got sidetracked by talk of sanctioning the filer. You should probably recuse yourself if you believe an AE sanction request is a "grudge" when other admins have already found a sanctionable complaint while still others agree it was a good faith report. AE requests can be declined without attributing malice to the filer. I don't recall "grudge" being used in previous sanctions and doesn't appear to be "uninvolved" language if that's how you view enforcing these sanctions. You may wish to revise using your talk page as an Arbitration Enforcement Free Zone as it's not a privilege enjoyed anywhere else on WP. --DHeyward (talk) 05:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Bosstopher

@Black Kite: Please could you move your comment into the statement section. You have discussed the content of related articles, as well as participated in a content disputes in the article on issues not pertaining to BLP violations. Bosstopher (talk) 18:11, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

In response to Black Kite:I read the principles stated in the Arbcom decision before making this comment. It says you're allowed to make content reverts when BLP is being violated, and when it's "minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias." I do not think the edits I posted fall under either of those categories as they involve content disputes. I was under the impression that the reason ArbCom made no comment on accusations of you being involved was because you didn't actually carry out any admin actions unbefitting (I swear that's a word even if my browser spell-check tells me otherwise) of an involved editor (as even involved admins are allowed to do BLP revdels). But in case I've misunderstood, pinging drafting arbs (@Roger Davies:, @Beeblebrox:, @David Fuchs:), to make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree and drudging up matters that were already settled in Arbcom. Bosstopher (talk) 12:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by starship.paint

Is there evidence that Avono has submitted dubious reports? If there is none, why should they be restricted from future reporting of others' disruptive actions? starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 02:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by uninvolved Guy Macon

I strongly agree with the basic principle that commenting on the bans of people who banned from the area you are banned from is a violation of your ban. It stops a lot of "nibbling around the edges". Limited comments on your own ban are acceptable, in my opinion, and comments indication that you either agree with and will obey a topic ban or that you disagree with but will still obey a topic ban are especially valuable.

These are, however subtle distinctions that are not obvious from the standard topic-ban wording, and thus a user should get at least one warning / explanation of the consensus / de facto policy before being blocked for such behavior.

I am also very concerned that a user has been blocked by another administrator for comments made on an administrator's talk page. I have always assumed that, should I be sanctioned in any way, I am free to discuss anything about that sanction and related sanctions with any administrator on his talk page, including commenting on the bans of people who banned from the area I was banned from. It should be up to the administrator who I am talking with to decide whether to tell me to stop discussing something his talk page. I would like to see the block clarified to show that it was for the comment on the non-admin's talk page only.

Editors who are sanctioned, including topic bans, often feel wronged and wish to seek redress instead of disengaging. Assume for the sake of argument that in their particular case they have a point. Do we really wish to force them into email discussions with the admin and lose the benefit of open discussions with a history that anyone can view? Now assume for the sake of argument that in their particular case they have no case at all. Isn't it better in such a case to have the admin they asked explain this and encourage them to disengage and to do so where everyone can see the comments on both sides?

There has to be a balance between sanctioned users dropping the stick and feeling that they have to go elsewhere to seek redress. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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Result concerning Tarc

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• It seems that both users are continuing to use Misplaced Pages to fight over GamerGate here. These comments by Tarc appear to be borderline, but these sorts of edits should be discouraged. Avono was recently topic banned by User:HJ Mitchell from discussing Mark Bernstein after repeatedly commenting on his off and on-site remarks and making several attempts to get him blocked for violating his topic ban. Perhaps Avono should be topic banned from trying to get other users blocked or banned? Gamaliel (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
• I don't see anything here that is enforceable. In fact, I do wonder if Gamaliel's last sentence above is viable, because I (and frankly the community) do tend to take a dim view of dubious AE requests against those who disagree with them. But I'd suggest that Avono at least come up with better than this as an AE request. Black Kite (talk) 00:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

• To Bosstopher: No, I won't be doing that; the definition of administrator involvement via enforcement activity (and comments thereon) was made quite clearly at the ArbCom case. Black Kite (talk) 10:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

• I see Gamaliel's idea as viable with a bit of modification. I would suggest that if Avono wants action taken against a user that they be limited to a single message to a single admin about a given user. If that admin thinks it has merit then that admin can follow through with action or discussion. If the admin does not think the complaint has merit then Avono should not pursue the matter further. I think it is important that we provide Avono some recourse. Chillum 02:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

• I agree. We have to find the line between allowing for a genuine petition of redress and not allowing editors to emply topic bans as cudgels. Gamaliel (talk) 14:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

• I'm not sure I agree with the above comments, both looks to me to be violations of a broadly construed topic ban (especially the second one) and are disruptive and incivil. The consensus over a period of time here has been that commenting on the bans of people which are banned from the area you are is a violation of that ban. Whether action is needed against Avono I'm not sure, but this is definitely a good faith report. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

• I have no doubt this is a good faith report. But when the same user generates a lot of good faith reports about a number of editors on the opposite side of the same topic dispute, even if they all individually have merit and are made in good faith, we have to look at whether or not having this user from follow around others looking for violations is in the best interests of the encyclopedia. Gamaliel (talk) 14:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

• True, however the purpose of arbitration is the 'break the back' and to stop behaviour which is disruptive. Violating policies and guidelines is disruptive, reporting those violations isn't and as far as I'm concerned should never be. If there is someone generating a bunch of enforcement request which are all in good faith, and there is actually a violation then IMHO that's good as it continues to ensure that policies and guidelines are being followed. If the person doing the reporting demonstrates a battleground approach by doing so then that's another thing but I'm not sure Avono has reached that point yet (though I'm happy to be convinced otherwise).

In any case I'd suggest a 72 hour block for Tarc for the TBAN vio. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@DHeyward: I am not familiar with or do not recall NBSB's reports aside from the one against Retartist, but if you present a request here with diffs, I will look at it along with everyone else. That report against Retartist concerned a significant BLP violation and so the consensus of administrators was they would not block due to this. None of Avono's reports that I am aware of are about BLP violations. I am not concerned about the volume of Avono's reports, I am concerned about their focus on a particular individual. Now that he has been topic banned from discussing that editor, he appears to have moved on to a different editor. It is a pattern that concerns me. Gamaliel (talk) 22:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Was about to say the same thing re NBSB and Retartist, except to add that without diffs it's casting aspersions and needs to be removed. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:58, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@DHeyward: I was referring to diffs regarding NBSB making disruptive (etc) reports or breaching their topic ban to look into whether sanctions are needed. Making arguments like 'but other people do it' usually aren't given much attention here. If you don't wish to provide diffs regarding NBSB please remove the unsupported claims you made against them. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:51, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

DHeyward, I agree (especially with your last sentence, my comment up there). My point is that if you're going to make accusations against people ('most prolific reporter of people "on the other side" is NBSB', 'he was able to edit Jimbo's talk page on the topic', 'make borderline BLP reversions', 'report Retartist (no boomerang there?)') you need to support it with evidence (ie links and diffs), if you don't you're WP:Casting aspersions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

• Ok I've blocked Tarc for three days for breaching the ArbCom TBAN and left this section open for further discussion re Avono. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

• This block leaves me a little bit worried. I've thus far tolerated comments on my talk page by topic-banned editors for as long as they haven't engaged in substantive discussion of content and haven't done anything else disruptive, and I'd prefer to keep it that way because blocking people for the odd passing comment on my talk page seems petty. If we are going to do it that way, then it should be zero tolerance across the board, not just for the ones that somebody with a grudge digs up and brings to AE days after the fact. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:32, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

• All reports to AE are after the fact and this one was around 24 hours after which is around normal and what you'd expect for someone to notice it to has the inclination to do the paperwork. Odd passing comments are what people get blocked for when they violate their topic ban no matter where they are, though I agree to an extent and in this case there were extenuating circumstances (disruptive and incivil as I said above). The second one on TRPoD's talk page was the big one as I said above. I'm not sure what you mean by across the board since reports to AE, to admins or that admins notice is how enforcement works. I note that ArmyLine was blocked for commenting on someone's block in an area they'd been TBANed from. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

• Of course all reports are after the fact. All I'm saying is that if we're going to start blocking people for posting on admins' talk pages, we should do it consistently, not just for the ones that somebody happens to pick up a day later and report to AE. Even with the purest of intentions, that looks to the one who was unlucky enough to get blocked like inconsistent high-handedness at best and bias at worst, and is only going to bring all manner of effluent down on our heads. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

AnsFenrisulfr

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Request concerning AnsFenrisulfr

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

AnsFenrisulfr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamergate :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. First ever edit, acknowledges membership of the gamergate cult.
2. , edit no. 32, is plainly not the action of a genuinely new user, raising very strong suspicions of sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry in an area already overrun with drama-only accounts collaborating off-wiki with an agenda orthogonal to Misplaced Pages's foundational goals.

AnsFenrisulfr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a "brand new user" who has essentially no contributions to Misplaced Pages other than commentary around Gamergate, some of which seems to me to amount to simple trolling. The user exhibits classic gamergater WP:CPUSH tactics. Guy (Help!) 18:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

DS notice was issued by Gamaliel, 22:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC) () but does not appear to have triggered the edit filter.

This account should, I think be speedily removed from the fray.

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Statement by AnsFenrisulfr

Wow, just... wow. So, the first diff you use as evidence is my apologizing to someone. And the second is of an AE report which I have APOLOGIZED publically to NbSB for laying against him, due to me misunderstanding BANEX. <- Me apologizing to NbSB

I am also somewhat perturbed by you implying I am a sock... because I knew how to do something. I had 13 days between my last post in GamerGate Controversy and that date. Did it not occur to you that I could have been spending that time researching how Misplaced Pages RUNS? Which would have been entirely in line with my repeated questions to other editors on how to do things? Is this kind of treatment normal for new editors? AnsFenrisulfr (talk) 00:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I would also add. I have made NO edits to the GamerGate controversy article. Intentionally so. I chose to restrict myself to only the talk page, allowing more experienced editors than I to change it. This is Bad Faith at it's worst. AnsFenrisulfr (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I also wish to point out highly Uncivil language by JzG. So I am part of a Cult am I? AnsFenrisulfr (talk) 02:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Since this appears to need to be said. Prior to the AE request I had 13 days where I had not even touched the GamerGate Controversy article, and instead had gone to the Oshkosh, Wisconsin article to ask if something was procedural with the intent of changing something on that article if it was not. Let me state this again, I had not TOUCHED the GamerGate Controversy article in 13 days, and had and still HAVE no intention of touching it again. I had only filed the AE request because I thought NbSB was actually violating his topic ban (Turns out, he was not) and I would have done the SAME if it had been someone like TheDevil's Advocate or LoganMac. 173.89.145.97 (talk) 21:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@NewYorkBrad I intend to avoid Misplaced Pages and the GamerGate article in particular until everything blows over (Probably several months... at best) before returning to try to learn Misplaced Pages on less... insane articles and times.

@JZG Stop calling me a sockpuppet. If there is any way to check, please do look at the fact that my IP address is HIGHLY unlikely to be the same as any banned member. I am my own person, your blind hate of "SPAs" and "Socks" not withstanding. I wished to remain civil to you, but you keep throwing around that accusation in direct violation of Misplaced Pages's policies on Civility, and with no evidence at all beyond what you think. AnsFenrisulfr (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@MarkBernstein Previous slights off wiki, I felt I should apologize to someone I may work with, rather than possibly have them find out later. It was professional courtesy, and an acknowledgement I was wrong. I also spent that entire '19 days' doing extensive research on the rules and regulations of Misplaced Pages. one such thing to cross my path was the notice I was being held to discretionary sanctions, which I then looked up to understand, which lead me to understand AE. The process of FILING an AE request is very thoroughly explained in the form you fill out. This seriously took only about 2 hours research to understand, and I am quite baffled how both you and JzG seem to think this indicates anything,m since anyone who took that 2 hours would understand this quickly. Finally, as to the IP, my IP isn't very 'unique'; in the sense you imply, more "It is unlikely I share an IP with any of them, because I am not a sock". AnsFenrisulfr (talk) 13:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Someone suggested that I offer a self-imposed topic ban on the subject. I am unsure what a proper length would be, but seeing as I have no intention of editing the GamerGate Controversy article to begin with, I would be happy to accept this as an idea. AnsFenrisulfr (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by JzG

I couldn't agree more , but apparently that view is controversial. Guy (Help!) 23:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Comment moved from "Result" section below. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 23:29, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Starke Hathaway

Meh. The first diff is an apology, of all things, and exactly the sort of behavior that should be encouraged in a collaborative editing effort, particularly in a contentious subject area. The second diff is a good faith report of editing by a banned user who, technicalities aside, has made it clear they have no intention of staying away from the topic area from which the community, via ArbCom, banned them. Lest we forget, one of the stated rationale for the ArbCom sanctions was to clear out entrenched and combative editors to allow fresher and more collaborative users into the topic area. There is no evidence of disruption here. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

And here is AnsFenrisulf apologizing on NorthBySouthBaranof's talk page for misunderstanding the ban exceptions and bringing the enforcement request. It takes a really dramatic assumption of bad faith to conclude that this user is here for the purpose of disruption. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 00:01, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

You're missing the point. The problem with gamergate is the constant emergence of new or long-dormant accounts, who are usually at least nominally civil but are here solely to push an agenda (and create massive drama when they fail). How many genuinely brand new users manage to make a properly formed AE request with their 32nd edit? How many times do we allow "brand new" gamergate accounts to come and do the same thing over and over? The topic ban should be applied liberally to all those who are clearly participating in or driven by the off-wiki collusion - and as Tony says, this is a slam dunk for that. Guy (Help!) 13:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Tony Sidaway

Yes, this is a pretty obvious Remedy 1.2(ii) candidate under the discretionary sanctions. Bag it and move on. Those of a more charitable disposition may want to try a nudge and then sit and watch what happens before passing a topic ban. The incorrigibly saintly might simply direct the SPA to more productive areas and hope it takes the hint. But don't fool yourselves, admins: Arbcom wants this pestilence (the Gamergate nonsense) gone from Misplaced Pages and empowers you to do what is necessary. This is not 4chan. --TS 01:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Liz

My only comment is being a SPA violates no policy. Most people who start editing on Misplaced Pages focus on a specific topic. It might raise suspicions but in itself, it is not sanctionable. It's not only tolerable, it's normal. Liz 02:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Guy, looking at the account's total editing contributions (58), I see zero edits to article space. I now see your point although if I was an admin, I wouldn't leap to an indefinite block. Liz 21:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by starship.paint

The two diffs do not seem actionable. I don't see rule-breaking. Being an SPA is not an offense as long as an editor abides by Misplaced Pages's policies. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 07:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by abhilashkrishn

Upon checking, I can't find any wrong in AnsFenrisulfr's actions. First one is an apology and second is an assumption from requester. -  abhilashkrishn  14:31, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by EChastain

Seems like a new user who's trying to figure things out. I feel AnsFenrisulfr is a real human being and should be given some help and guidance rather than snuffed out completely so soon per two diffs. Agree with Liz, starship.paint, and abhilashkrishn. EChastain (talk) 02:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Trying to figure things out? When edit 32 is a request to apply sanctions to someone, furthering the gamergate cult's long-term agenda? Your assumption of good faith goes somewhat beyond what could be expected of Mary Poppins. Guy (Help!) 13:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree with comments by Liz above. And the suggestion by Newyorkbrad below. Give the new editor a chance. If the desire is to attract new editors, then some learning curve (a steep one) is to be expected. Since the disruptive, rude editing of some long time editors is being tolerated, so why not give a new editor some rope. You can always kick them out later if they don't shape up. EChastain (talk) 02:33, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Bosstopher

AnsFenrisulfr has made a strong effort to improve their behaviour and learn the rules of wikipedia, he has apologized for his mistakes and shown an eagerness to learn. While he may be an SPA who focuses mostly on loci of GG drama, he is the ideal all drama SPAs should aspire for. Nonetheless I agree that he should probably do something other than comment on contentious talk pages, and make some actual contributions to the encyclopedia Bosstopher (talk) 12:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@AnsFenrisulfr: Perhaps not wholly related to the issue at hand but as people are discussing varying ways in which you can contribute to wikipedia... May I suggest taking part in the Wikiproject Wikify February Drive. It's nice and boring in a relaxing and cathartic way, and helps improve the thousands of messy articles the wiki has. Serves as a nice break from shouting at people/being shouted at on the Gamergate talk page. Bosstopher (talk) 12:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@JzG:Aren't you not meant to write comments in other people's statements? (sorry about the double negative) Is this an IAR thing for convenient reading purposes? Bosstopher (talk) 12:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes. It's virtually impossible to track otherwise. Sorry if that offends people, I genuinely believe that the intention here is to discuss things in a mature way and reach a proper conclusion, not to slavishly follow process even when it makes things more obscure. I realise that this is an old-fashioned view and verging on naive in today's Misplaced Pages. Incidentally, I wasn't able to find any substantive contribution at all to anything other than gamergate when I looked originally, but in any case the problem here is not so much that it's an SPA, as that it's almost certainly a puppet, and we have way too many single-purpose drama accounts on that subject area, most of whom are engaged in relentless WP:CPUSHing, because they are at least intelligent enough to realise that anything else will lead to a speedy ban. That's one of the reasons the case took so long, as far as I read it. Guy (Help!) 12:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I would disagree with the comment that most of the new SPA's popping up are civil. As someone who only glances at the GG talk page occasionally I can think of two not so civil newcomers. Also AnsFenri has not even been that pushy, first edit he ever made was acknowleding that almost all of the edits made by tRPOD (someone I doubt anyone could call a pro-GG POV pusher) to the article, were perfectly fine.Bosstopher (talk) 13:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@MarkBernstein:To be fair Mark, wouldn't anyone be very upset if people accused them of being a sockpuppet? With regards to the IP comment he could just as easily be someone from a very obscure country that supplies very few Misplaced Pages editors, if I was such a person in such a position I would have made exactly the same comment. And you seem to have misunderstood his first edit (either that or I have). I assume what he's referring to is chatting shit about the "5 horsemen" on reddit. AnsFenri seems to me like someone who's just been reading far more KiA than any person ever should ever read, and has therefore been scared to edit non article space out of fear of an evil cabal that watches every single one of enwiki's 4.7 million articles and auto reverts anyone who isn't Ryulong (this is one of many reasons why no one should ever take anything written on KiA seriously). I just think this is someone who's been far more cautious than they had any reason to be (see his approach to topics which are not GamerGate ). He's probably been spectating for a lot longer than he's been editing, and it comes across to me as someone being overly apologetic (and at some times rightfully apologetic) rather than trying to pretend that they have less wiki experience than they actually have.Bosstopher (talk) 13:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by MarkBernstein

Today, the subject is very upset that anyone would think him a puppet.

The subject’s very first edit of all time is an apology to The Red Pen Of Doom for previous slights ]. On 22 January the subject affects to be uncertain how WikiMarkup works; 19 days and less than three dozen edits later, the subject is crafting effective filings on moderately obscure disciplinary pages. The subject points to a highly unique IP address which would, apparently, instantly exculpate him from any suspicion of being a sock; that this is exactly what an expert sockmaster might seek has, of course, not occurred to them.

Under the circumstances, this prodigy might anticipate that people of more modest talents may wonder. MarkBernstein (talk) 13:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by another user

Result concerning AnsFenrisulfr

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I don't understand why we spend so much effort and angst over obvious SPAs. This is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, yes. So just topic ban this one and they can still edit any other article of the millions of articles on the encyclopedia. We should not continue to pretend that accounts like these are not here to push their agenda, nor should we continue to allow sensitive and controversial articles to serve as the apprenticeship of novice encyclopedia editors. Gamaliel (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I disagree that we should actively prevent newbies from editing controversial areas, if that was your point. Was it? Has AnsFenrisulfr done anything disruptive to warrant a topic ban, assuming AnsFenrisulfr is not a sock? I don't see anything. Now, is AnsFenrisulfr a sock? I don't see any compelling evidence, but I am no SPI specialist. If that is all this case hinges on, perhaps opening a case there instead would be more appropriate? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 01:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

• Gamaliel and Erik, my understanding of the DS is that uninvolved admins can impose a topic ban without the need for AE, or have I misunderstood? Sarah (SV) 01:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

@SlimVirgin: Yes that's correct, discussion here between uninvolved admins is generally to get other opinions on whether there is a need for sanctions and if so what sanction would be best. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Callanec. Sarah (SV) 01:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

• I don't have a problem with SPAs, even those with an obvious agenda, as long as they're here to build an encyclopaedia and make a good-faith attempt to follow our policies. What I do mind, though, is brand new accounts that involve themselves deeply in our internal politics and show no interest in the mainspace. I've hinted to AF that they might want to do something else, but their only interest seems to be in politicking. I recommend an indefinite block per NOTHERE or, failing that, a topic ban. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:03, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

• I am entirely unimpressed with this editor's participation in Misplaced Pages thus far, but it might be useful to ask him how he would plan to utilize his editing privileges going forward, if allowed to continue to do so. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:52, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Given the evidence and the subject's own comments, I recommend an indefinite topic-ban from the GamerGate area, with the scope as defined in the case remedies. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
• I agree with NYB. T. Canens (talk) 08:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Spudst3r

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Request concerning Spudst3r

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Sonicyouth86 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Spudst3r (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Discretionary sanctions: standard dscretionary sanctions authorized for all edits about and all pages related to any gender-related dispute or controversy

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. March 5, 2014: original research, source doesn't mention sexual assault statistics (relevant passage on p. 33, second paragraph)
2. March 3, 2014: adds unsourced material and original research, passage "feminist organizations ridiculing, ignoring and having perceived gender biases" unsupported by source (p. 431, right column)
3. February 5, 2015: original research, source doesn't discuss the men's rights movement (MRM)
4. February 9: revert, restores original research, disregarding active talk page discussion
5. February 10: adds uncited material, changes meaning of sourced phrase, presenting oppression as real rather than perceived, deletes critical content and describes peer-reviewed article as the opinion of "feminist authors"
6. February 15: revert, restores original research (source doesn't discuss the MRM)
7. February 15: revert, restores original research again
8. February 15 and again: tendentious OTHERSTUFF arguments
9. February 15: baseless accusations ("small cadre of editors fighting against any sources content that portrays the "men's rights movement" in innocuous language")
10. February 15: synthesis, combined two sources to suggest that, since the author is considered a "men's rights leader" (first source), he wrote about the MRM in his book (second source) which he didn't
11. February 17: partial misquote of source, again original research (adds statement from a source that doesn't mention the MRM)
12. February 17: partial revert, restores misquote, adds synthesis by combining two sentences that aren't combined that way in the source

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Alert about discretionary sanctions in the men's rights topic area in the last twelve months, on February 13, 2015

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Spudst3r is a long dormant SPA; two of his three edits in 2014 were to Masculism and Men's rights movement and the vast majority of his edits in 2015 have been to the same topic area. His sudden return in 2015 to the MRM article coincides with several off-site calls for meatpuppets (e.g., ) in this topic area.

In addition to the problem that he misleadingly summarizes sources, he reverts to his preferred version without waiting for the discussion to conclude. He either doesn't understand the original research and synthesis policies or he prefers to ignore them. In either case, the editor should be topic banned until he can demonstrate his ability to follow our content policies in the men's rights topic area.

His talk page edits are disruptive and circular, mostly consisting of arguments that the MRM page and women's rights movement page must be treated equally or repetitions of (as many as 13) guidelines and principles per comment. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Statement by Spudst3r

Statement by Cailil

This is a rare occasion when I comment as an involved user (due to my edits at Men's rights movement not in the GG area) at AE but I've had a number of interactions with Spudst3r and have in a very short space of time had a number of red flags raised

Diffs 1-5 are not relevant to the case since the notification is post Feb 13. However, Diff 6 was a revert of original research I removed from the Men's rights movement article. The material a) had no connection to the subject b) it was being used in essay form to synthesize a point and c) it was a copy-paste of the majority of the linked article's abstract (probably a copyvio). Spudst3r then reverted its subsequent removal again diff 7. Diff 9 falls into the category of casting unfounded aspersions about other users. Here Spudst3r is parroting the r/mensrights reddit party line that feminists run wikipedia and the only way to solve "their article's" problem is to illuminate the "enemy" (see also this ani thread). I have little problem with Diffs 8 10 or 11. My only other issue is his use of POV-statement in an attempt to discredit scholarly opinions he seems not to like. His defense of this action speaks volumes in terms of WP:ADVOCACY and WP:NOTADVOCATE

" I think it's accurate to say that most Men's rights advocates see issues of male inequality as ones that are systemic throughout most of recorded history and in need of changing society as we currently know it away from how it currently or previously existed to address them. Recent social advancements coming from the women's movement may be seen as making the situation for men's rights worse, but only because they see the movement as imposing additional obligations on to men and new social rights to women without providing commensurate changes to complement them in areas where men face systemic disadvantage."

Even so I think a final warning and advice on how to fly right might be enough here--Cailil 20:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Binksternet

After I saw just a few of Spudst3r's contributions to the article and talk page of the men's rights movement topic, I thought that he was WP:NOTHERE to build the encyclopedia. Rather, he is here to make the men's rights movement look good, to the best of his ability. Thankfully that motivation has not resulted in too much damage, since there are experienced and neutral page watchers keeping track of activists such as Spudst3r. I, took was taken aback at Diff 9 with its display of battlefield attitude. Spudst3r is too deep into advocacy to see that this comparison is nonsensical, that the men's rights movement assertions of "male disadvantage" are overwhelmingly dismissed by sociology and anthropology scholars who should not have to remind us of the two-thousand-plus years of thoroughly established male advantage. In that same diff Spudst3r tries to argue against reliance on scholarly sources. Misplaced Pages does not need this kind of disruption. Binksternet (talk) 04:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Steverci

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Request concerning Steverci

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Grandmaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Steverci (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. February 14, 2015
2. February 17, 2015
3. February 17, 2015
4. February 18, 2015

The above diffs are from one article, but he does the same on at least another 3 articles that I mentioned below.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Steverci has been edit warring across multiple articles, exhibiting a battleground mentality and making controversial edits without reaching consensus with other editors. Just in recent days, he made multiple reverts, sometimes on the brink of violation of 3RR, on a range of highly sensitive articles, including Khaibalikend Massacre, Shusha massacre, Shusha, Sayat-Nova. Shusha was protected. Steverci was warned by the admins at least 3 times. In addition to the official alert mentioned above, he was warned twice more during the last month: Also, he received warnings from other editors who found his editing inappropriate, for example: Apparently, warnings had no effect, and battleground activity continues, so I believe it makes sense to consider placing this user on an editing restriction. Grandmaster 00:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

While I agree that Parishan could have used a better judgment, in this case I think he was baited into an edit war by Steverci. Parishan is a long-standing editor with tens of thousands of useful contribs, while Steverci is the one who starts an edit war on almost every page he moves on to. So many warnings within a short period of time speak for themselves. Grandmaster 08:13, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Statement by Steverci

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I never violated the three revert rule or any rule for that matter, yet somehow Grandmaster felt the need to warn me instead and not mention that Parishan has actually violated the three revert rule:

According to WP:3RR, violating the rule guarantees a block.

It is also interesting that he is accusing me of edit warring on the Khaibalikend Massacre, Shusha massacre, and Shusha articles, yet it was Parishan who began each edit war: . If someone stalking and reverting my edits, sometimes without explanation, they are the one who is exhibiting more battleground mentality.

I have never had the be blocked or banned for anything before and have always tried my hardest avoid an edit war. I am currently having a lengthy disagreement on the Tiridates I of Armenia article, and have allowed the user to keep his version in the mean time. When a new user aggressively removed all the content I added to the Alexander Suvorov article several times, I reported the incident instead of playing the edit warring game. When I had wanted to remove clear POV unsourced controversial content on Persecution of Ottoman Muslims, I took it to the talk page and waited for a complete consensus before removing it again. The other day I disagreed with an addition to Armenian Apostolic Church and went straight to the talk page.

Grandmaster claims I do not listen to warnings, but I've always ceased what I was doing both times I received them (one was over a misunderstanding) even when I felt the admin was being unfair. An example of someone who does not know how to heed warnings would be someone who has broken the same rule over and over. Parishan has previously been blocked for violating the 3RR not once, but twice. Grandmaster has been blocked for violating the 3RR rule SIX TIMES.

If anyone should be given enforcement here, it is Parishan. --Steverci (talk) 03:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Result concerning Steverci

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