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To anyone who has a question about my username please be advised that I will not be changing it, although I did change my signature. Thanks for your understanding. NOTE: Robert is one of the few editors who is not obliged to change his username, as his account was created many years before the rules were changed - Alison 02:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Words of wisdom from a cherished source

Robert - feel free to blank this again, as is your right, but can I just ask you to slow down for a minute and step back from this? You're fast approaching old territory again. I know you mean well here, and I've supported you in the past. Just ... chill, take it easy, and careful with the comments about others - Alison 22:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

DELETION OF INFOBOXES

I occasionally delete infoboxes from articles I have edited if the infobox in question is almost empty or otherwise of little or no utility, based on the following from WP:MOS (Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (infoboxes)): “The most important group to consider are the casual readers of Misplaced Pages, who will never do any significant editing. Infobox templates that contain many blank fields, question marks and unknowns present an unprofessional appearance, diminishing Misplaced Pages’s reputation as a high-quality encyclopedia.” Quis separabit? 22:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Edna O'Brien Article

I removed the Philip Larkin quote from the Edna O'Brien because I felt it was very obtuse to content of the actual article. Yes, O'Brien "talked about sex" before the "sexual revolution" but despite how well-known the Philip Larkin poem is as pertaining to this period, it sounds absolutely obtuse to somebody who has not read the poem. While the reference is kind of funny, I strongly feel that Philip Larkin cannot be trust to be some sort of Dionysius Exiguus as to precisely dating the "sexual revolution", unless of course you know of a case where O'Brien mentions the situation herself, as pertaining to the line of the poem. As it stands, Larkin seems to have said nothing about Edna O'Brien's career directly, (and she seems to have said nothing about his. Robinson, Roth, O'Hagan and the others are specifically talking about her career. The fact that Larkin is mentioned at all is because some genius at the Telegraph wanted a good opening.

Besides saying "three years before the Chatterlay Ban and the Beatles First LP" sounds to somebody who doesn't know the poem (and evens some who do)...

1. Like it the publication of Country Girls three years before the expurged publication of Lady Chatterlay's Lover, at which point Ms. O'Brien would have been "introducing sexual intercourse to Ireland" at the tender age of negative five years old.

2. Like the expurged publication of Lady Chatterlay's Lover was the same date as the Beatle's First LP.

3. Like nobody talked about or had sex before Philip Larkin first had sex, a time which he admits was rather late.

This would be clever writing if it were in a newspaper, or even an academic article, but on Misplaced Pages, it feels like we're shoe-horning in a reference where it does not belong. I would strongly suggest removing it, if for no other reason than translation. Philip Larkin is largely an Anglo-American phenomena, and Ms. O'Brien's books are still widely translated.

If you do want to keep it, I would strongly suggest writing at least a rudimentary article about Annus Mirabilis so that everybody who is confused about the reference is simply redirected to the Philip Larkin page and assumes something sexual about his and Ms. O'Brien's relationship (which I'm certain never existed).

P.S. I only slightly edited this on realizing it was a quote from a review. But I stand by what I said. The reference is quite obtuse and there are far better ways about talking about the sociological effect of Ms. O'Brien's writings about sex. --Artimaean (talk) 01:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

So are you saying you don't mind my deleting the Philip Larkin line?--Artimaean (talk) 23:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Tehrani

Indeed. Notability does not depend on having English-language sources about you; the featured article Chrisye is built almost entirely on Indonesian-language references. That being said, if I'm not mistaken Google Translate handles Farsi, in which case the references should be fairly easy to verify. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Spaces between parameters in citation templates

Hello, I would like to ask you not to close up any spaces you may find between the parameters in citations that use templates, as you have at Jimmy Savile. These spaces have been deliberately put there by me and others. It makes no difference to the output that the reader sees, but it improves the layout of the editing window and the diffs, so clarifying what is where and making editing easier. Thanks -- Alarics (talk) 09:55, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Dick Coetzee

While I can appreciate the need for fairness on the Wiki, stripping the Vlakplaas reference from Coetzee is akin to writing an article about Heinrich Himmler without mentioning the SS or Josef Mengele without mentioning Auschwitz. It is part of the legacy. He was commander of a police group that went out and acted as a death squad without regard or remorse. he did not deny it and was pardoned only from prosecution after he turned evidence over to the UN and those investigating war crimes. I have left off the apartheid reference, but replaced the Vlakplaas reference on his tag line. He once gave an account of what it was like to barbeque someone on a spit, including the smell of the meat. Here is some further reading on the subject. http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-03-08-jacques-pauw-on-vlakplaas-apartheid-assassin-dirk-coetzee/ Sunnydoo (talk) 08:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Categories

Hello. Thank you for setting me straight on the Category: Disease-Related Deaths. Now that I understand what it categorizes, it does make sense as a catch-all category. The only problem I see with it is how huge the list would be, and what use would someone make of it. For instance, I gather statistics on specific causes of death, and the category lists are very useful to me. I just don't know if it's necessary to have such a general category. Those are my thoughts. - Michael David (talk) 19:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

:-) I love your Edit Summary on the revision of the Fay Kanin article. To truly see the light, you have to first admit to having been in the darkness. I was. - Michael David (talk) 21:59, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

POV

If RS sources report that person x though y about z, that is not "POV". If reported as such. POV is wp editor POV. Similarly, the article already has a "puppy dog" description of one brother -- it is in the article for the same reason. Thus, please do not delete RS supported views of person x by person y, under the theory that they are "pov." Furthermore, no blp issues apply. And, even if they did, we report what the RSs say, with a public figure.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Bobby (Bangladeshi actress)

Hi! I saw you moved the page from Eamin Haque Bobby, though the actress is popularly known as Bobby but I guess the previous title was more accurate since you can get more sources through searching with that name. Thanks --Zayeem 12:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Question concerning Audrey Meadows' place of birth and year of birth

I didn't know that Ancestry.com was the final authority on the truth of personal information about people, including celebrities. Innumerable web sites and almanacs state that Audrey Meadows was born in WuChang, China. Does Ancestry.com automatically trump all other information sources? Is Ancestry.com infallible? I think not.

Also, Ancestry.com and Misplaced Pages state that Meadows was born in 1922. If you click on her Find A Grave link, you will see that her gravesite is inscribed with the year 1926.

We all know that hearsay can be highly unreliable and inaccurate. The ONLY person who can positively verify Audrey Meadows' place of birth and year of birth is Audrey's mother. If Audrey herself had told you that she was born in New York City, the statement would be hearsay.

New York City vs. WuChang, China and 1922 vs. 1926. How do you know when you have the truth? That can be a difficult question to answer.

Anthony22 (talk) 23:41, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Yip Doesn't hate you. Yip got all of his data from Sallieparker's talk page (including your name and mother's name). I was posing as her in an effort to get her block (which looks like it's going to be lifted) extended. "Greasing the wheels of justice" when WP gets stuck.

Seriously, check out her talk page before an admin takes it down. I have no issue with you (and you actually seem like a stand up editor - one of the reasons why I took issue with Ms. Parker's boychick comment). That being said, I don't know you and have no intention of finding anything about you in the "world".

CongerEelSolo (talk) 00:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Islamberg, New York

Thanks for that, glad I could help out! I'm not much of an editor these days, but I use the site and understand the policies for the most part, so I think it's good to clear up things like that when we see them. Lordrosemount (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Cher

First of all, thanks for you helpful edits! I will do some minor changes according to what I've talked to other users on previous PR's. If you don't agree with some change I'll made, we can discuss on the talk page. Cheers, Lordelliott (talk) 23:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I've made the changes. I've restored this passage: "Throughout the 1980s, Cher appeared in film roles where she served as a social intermediary to disenfranchised male characters. She showcased her status as an independent woman by interacting with Eric Stoltz's elephantiasis victim in Mask (1985), Liam Neeson's mute homeless veteran in Suspect (1987), and Nicolas Cage's socially isolated baker with a wooden hand in Moonstruck (1987). Mermaids (1990) made use of her "strong, sexually assertive" image. According to Jeff Yarbrough of The Advocate, Cher was "one of the first superstars to 'play gay' with compassion and without a hint of stereotyping", as she portrayed a lesbian in the 1983 film Silkwood."

Why do you think it isn't valuable to the article? We can discuss on the article's talk page. Overall, great work. Lordelliott (talk) 00:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Doris Roberts

I almost never preview. There's always the risk that I'll lose my work. In this case I had no idea what to do after I saw it, and figured either I could figure out later how to fix it or someone else could.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:29, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Clicking on "help", amazingly, led to something that actually helped. I didn't have the time to solve the problem yesterday and the computer where I was then was harder to use.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Re:

DNFTT ;)

--Vituzzu (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I am astonished to see that I am accused of being a sockpuppet and blocked. I am even outraged because I feel humiliated with this accusation. An accusation of being "user Brunodam" without proof, even if I offered to submit my personal data. I demand justice. I am going to complain to the "Better Business Bureau of Florida" and to the Police department of Fort Lauderdale, following instructions from my attorney about this clear case of harassment & offense. I will ask for damages. Junior5 This is what I wrote last July 2013 on my defense (quickly erased by the italian wikipedia "mafia leader" Vituzzu on that archive) about the accusation of being a vandal: I AM NOT THAT PERSON! and I will show evidences and proofs of this to a judge. M.R. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.92.226.201 (talk) 16:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Answered, ty. --Vituzzu (talk) 19:53, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hedy Lamarr

Long time no chat. Sorry if you already know all this: we can't cite unpublished/unverifiable sources for a fact in an article footnote, such as an email to you, as in this edit. I won't revert, because the book agrees. But it is best practice with private sources to bring OTRS into it. So, forward the email discussion you had with Loder (the less edited the better) to OTRS (volunteers-otrs(at)wikimedia.org) requesting that OTRS confirm on article Talk or in the article edit summary, "1914 verified - OTRS ticket #####". OTRS does that when contacted by the public, to throw an anchor onto disputes over birth year. Alternatively, have Hedy's son email them directly. But either way, please, in the introductory text of the email, include some way to verify that the email really did come from Loder (phone number, or website which shows the email address, or business contact, book, journal article etc. Not facebook, myspace, etc). I've done it before - if questions, ask. --Lexein (talk) 14:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC) Please respond here - I watchlist.

Bump - I don't mean to be a pest, but I'd like to help lock down the birthdate, by getting your email into OTRS if possible. Can I help? --Lexein (talk) 07:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Just wonder why you deleted the hedy-lamarr.org link i posted on her page and stated that it was redundant? It's not on the list and it's a very thorough website that I have developed from many books and magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annpham (talk • contribs) 22:08, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

The website already listed is hedylamarr.org. The page I added is hedy-lamarr.org. There's a dash sign between hedy and lamarr. That's a completely different website--Annpham (talk) 22:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Pyne

Hi. I realise this was a long time ago, but regarding this edit - where did you get the idea that Pyne was the second-youngest MP ever? When he was elected, he was the tenth youngest MP (ahead of him: Edwin Corboy, Andrew Jones, Charles Frazer, Peter Shack, Bill Falkinder, Bert Lazzarini, Christian Zahra, Gary Punch and Malcolm Fraser himself). I saw this repeated in the SMH today and was shocked to find they'd got it from us! I only ask because if it came from a source, I may need to dig up another source to correct it (rather than my own maths). Pyne doesn't claim this himself, does he?? Frickeg (talk) 11:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC) (Edit: he was, of course, elected before Zahra was, so the ninth youngest. The point still stands, though.) Frickeg (talk) 11:26, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The first one is a mirror of yesterday's SMH article; the second just states that he was the youngest MP at the time of his election. Frickeg (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Scott Miller (pop musician)

Thank you for your edits and attention! I will follow up on cn tags later this week. About your additions to the lede & personbox, I wanted to run my thoughts by you before any rv. I think Miller's engineering career and inventorship adds useful detail to the article body, but I don't believe he is sufficiently notable in those fields to merit attention in the lede & personbox. Happy holidays! Lwarrenwiki (talk) 20:08, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not disputing or reverting your recent tweak, but I'm trying to understand what you have in mind so I can do better next time. I am planning a future edit in a few days, in which I'll move all of the refs (making them list-defined refs) for easier maintenance. Earlier today, I went through all refs in the article to make all date formats consistent, according to one of the acceptable WP:DATEFORMAT choices (#4 in the table). You then tweaked some refs to spell out the month, which of course isn't wrong but introduced an inconsistency. So basically, I'm trying to square your edits with the guidelines in WP:CITEVAR which suggest that internal consistency is important, and we should generally leave well enough alone, rather than impose our style preferences on other editors. Please understand that I'm perfectly OK with generally adopting your style preferences, in order to avoid any inconsistency or conflict over minor matters of style. I just want to be sure I understand what your edits are directed toward, so I can stay consistent. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Thank you for what you do for Misplaced Pages. Happy New Year!RFD (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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Paco de Lucía

In this edit you say he was named Gomes and not Gomez, but the source write it with a "z". Christian75 (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No, Paco and Pepe de Lucía's mother, Lucia Gomes, was Portuguese and her surname was Gomes, not Gómez. Evidently I missed something when I was corrected the surname. Thanks.

Yours, Quis separabit? 00:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:Italics/Anne Heche article

Hello, Rms125a@hotmail.com. With regard to the Anne Heche article, I can't yet decipher all of what you changed; I'm sure I'll disagree with your definition of "promotion" in this case once I do decipher all of it (though I likely won't revert/raise the matter as an issue). But, with regard to using italics for the entire quotes, that violates WP:Italics (which has a Quotations subsection in addition to the other subsections it has, such as with regard to what is appropriate emphasis). Flyer22 (talk) 16:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you reply to me about this, I'd prefer that you reply here at your talk page so that the discussion is kept in one place. Flyer22 (talk) 16:25, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

On a side note: Regarding this, be careful with the word claim; I usually remove that word (plural or not), per WP:CLAIM. The only reason that I did not remove it from the gay father bit (which was there before your edits to that section today) is because Heche is making a serious/heavy claim about a person. But for Heche stating that she was "insane for the first 31 years of her life," the word claims absolutely should not be used. Regarding the messages you left on my talk page, blockquotes are not much better because, per WP:Blockquote, quotes should be a certain length (the length WP:Blockquote specifies) before being put into blockquote. And too many blockquotes can give an article a messy look. As for having split this discussion because you were late to getting my second message above, no worries; I will simply post a WP:Permalink (a second if required) of this discussion there, which will show the complete discussion. I was able to deduce, from seeing your talk page, that you split discussions; that is what propelled to me to request that you don't split this one. Flyer22 (talk) 16:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Flyer22: Oh, good. I don't know how to do Permalinks and stuff like that. No excuses, just never learned. Too lazy, old dog, new tricks, etc. Although I must point out that I wasn't exactly "late to getting my second message above"; if anything I guess I responded too quickly to your first message! Funny, that!
 ::: Thanks for the advice re WP:CLAIM. Yours, Quis separabit? 16:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

For documentation, in case you or anyone else reading this section wants quick access to the full discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

L'Wren Scott

Thanks Robert for developing this crucial page that was incredibly visited by 222,000 viewers just yesterday... http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/L%27Wren_Scott It needed a great revamp though and adding of missing pieces, like her previous marriage, circumstances of her suicide and financial status of her businesses which I now have reworked. Plus some more controversial matters like her name. By the way, I never heard of the name of this designer until today, but somehow her life fascinated me as I made further research on her life and career. So sad though about her fate. werldwayd (talk) 22:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC) ‎

Jack Little (politician)

You claimed that Jack Little was one of two non-Catholics in the ALP (anti-Communist), the original name of the DLP, in the Victorian Parliament, whereas previously it was stated that he was the only one. He was the only non-Catholic. The other non-Catholic parliamentarian was Robert Joshua, the House of Representatives Member for Ballarat, and the leader of the ALP (anti-Communist) in the federal parliament. Joshua was never a member of the Victorian Parliament. The original comment was correct, and should be changed back, or at least qualified with a reference to Joshua's membership of the federal parliament.Noreen45 (talk) 23:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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Charles Keating

For your information, Charles Keating is a GA article with an active maintainer (me). Please do not remove deadlink sources just because they are no longer immediately accessible. Please see Misplaced Pages:DEADLINK#Mitigating_a_dead_link: "Do not delete a URL just because it has been tagged with for a long time." Statements like "Keating graduated from St. Xavier in 1941." should not be replace with "citeneeded" flags just because the URL no longer works. Statements like these are still adequately sourced, it's just harder to get at the source. Thanks. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand your comment "I was just trimming in light of Keating's recent death". Just because the subject died doesn't mean the article has to be shortened. The diffs of your edits are very difficult to follow (that's the fault of WP software, not you). Can you tell me what you think is wrong with the article in terms of content? I see comments like "POV", "OR", "cruft" - what exactly? Wasted Time R (talk) 02:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I just restored the deadlink I removed. As far as POV, I would say terms like "Indeed" (not in quotes), or "well known", rather than just "known", depending on the circumstances. Stuff like that. Why don't you compare the diffs and see if the article doesn't look a tad better. If not tell me where I screwed up. Yours, Quis separabit? 02:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

You don't need to put "ISBN needed" on all the short form book cites; its in the long form in each book's first cite. (Better would be to move those books into a bibliography section.) You have eliminated what you think are redundant cites but they are actually needed for me to tell what text goes with what cite. You've put all the quotes in italics; what MoS guideline says to do that? You've taken the life out of some of the wording: "In late 1988, Keating began desperate attempts to sell Lincoln" is based on sources and conveys to the reader much better the feeling of what was happening than "In late 1988, Keating began attempts to sell Lincoln". If the source says it was desperate, why can't we say it was desperate? That's not "POV", that's engaging prose, what articles are supposed to aspire to. And most of what you've changed I won't even be able to figure out without doing a side-by-side walkthrough of the formatted articles before and after - parts of that big diff are completely unmanageable. Sigh. You don't know how many hours I spent researching and writing this one. What can I say. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

No I don't want to revert all your edits. I just want a change to the culture here where every article is automatically considered unsatisfactory and unmaintained, in need of cleaning up, rearranging, reformatting, cruft removal, etc, all in sweeping edits with little explanation. And that whenever the subject is in the news it's open season on the article. Some articles are actually pretty good and had people work really hard to make them that way. I've been here a long time and of course I know that in WP you get no credit for work done and no credit for knowing a lot about the subject and no credit for having thought a long time about the article and that everything can be redone by others. But still. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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ISBNs for DLP article

A heading has been placed above the DLP (historical) article claiming that ISBN numbers should be included for some references. There were no ISBN numbers shown on books before somewhere about 1970. The books shown in the references by Tom Truman and Alan Dalziel I think do not have ISBN numbers shown inside their covers because they were published earlier than 1970. An editor with a keen interest on Hungarian-Australians has inserted reference numbers from the National Library of Australia for some books without ISBN numbers. Perhaps I could do this?

Also two very important references seem to have been removed. These are the book by Paul Reynolds with the title Democratic Labor Party and the book by Robert Murray on The Split. I can restore these later when I'm up to it, as I have been ill lately following surgery. Thank you for your comment on my talk page. You do very good work for WP.Noreen45 (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

David L Cook

I reviewed the contributions you made to the David L Cook article. Please contact a contributing editor before you simply start hacking at an article. The sources and the whens and whys are described in the sources that were given. If there is not a source in the location you placed, it was down at the end of the paragraph. If you want to make edits or you have questions I would appreciate that in the future you contact a contributing editor before simply taking those kinds of steps. I understand being bold in your edits, but the ones you made were not helping to improve the article. Please contact me if you have any questions or comments on my talk page. Canyouhearmenow 18:53, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your help on this article. We must always be courteous and respectful of each others work. The edits you currently made are very respectable and appreciated. I hope that if I can ever help you in the future you will feel free to call upon me.Canyouhearmenow 22:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Rms125a:
Thanks for all of your contributions to the Ebola country articles. Have a fun Halloween!
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Bernie Wolfe (politician)

Hi, Rms! I see you removed some more from Wolfe's article and asked for clarification on some points. Most of what was added there was by a family member with this edit. As you can see, nothing was sourced. I removed some info before you did, which was also unclear to me. If they clarify, I'm sure it won't be sourced. If Wolfe wasn't so instrumental in developing the cities of Winnipeg and Regina, I would chuck it all and speedy this one. C'est la guerre! — Wyliepedia 05:10, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Robert: I've been editing for eight years, probably a couple of thousand edits, and you are the first to ever thank me, despite it being a rather innocuous edit. I've authored a couple of pages and done major edits, corrections and rewrites possibly on hundreds. Thanks for thanking! That book was the only one in my childhood home, many decades ago. Feel free to erase this section. Activist (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Please indent properly on talk pages

Hi Rms125a@hotmail.com. Your comments at Talk:S. Truett Cathy seem to be randomly indented, making threads difficult to follow. Would you mind properly indenting your comments per WP:INDENT and WP:TPG? All you need to do is count the number of colons in the comment that you're replying to and add one additional colon to it for your own reply. By using the show preview button, you can see if you got it right and adjust as needed. Thanks in advance.- MrX 21:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Albertini Dow

No, no problem at all. Maybe I'm just getting a bit heated on this one because it's been such a long-standing issue and because we've uncovered half a dozen cases of "false centenarians" and actress BLP violations this year. I know you are acting in good faith though. What do you think of the compromise for now? I do think she was probably born in 1913, but with all the policy problems we've had, I'm extra cautious. Canadian Paul 23:14, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I just replied to the talk page; we can continue there. And yes, I'd be willing to start a WP:BLPN thread if the article's current state doesn't work for you. But if we (and others involved) agree, then there's probably no need. Canadian Paul 23:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Hot Coffee, Mississippi

Thanks for your message on my talk page. Hot Coffee, like so many places in Mississippi, has such a unique name. I've also edited Money, Midnight, Pigeon Roost, and Love...all in Mississippi. I have a fondness for the lost river towns. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Shin Dong-hyuk

Sorry, but I cannot follow your reasoning “you may be right (see talkpage discussions), but you can't just delete sourced text with which you disagree)” to delete my latest revision. So you agree that based on the discussion it may be right to remove the two sentences about Abt. But then you say it cannot be deleted just because it is sourced text? Well, if something does not really make sense, I see no reason to keep it, do you? Furthermore I think Abt’s book is not a source for criticism. He doesn’t know Shin and doesn’t know about the human rights situation in North Korea. He just read the story in the newspaper and made a marginal note in his book. This does not really qualify as a source, at least not for this article. Misplaced Pages Verifiability says “While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.” Exactly this applies to the two sentences I removed. I think some time ago this was included, as someone thought that there must be a kind of criticism section. But he did not find any better source than Abt’s book (and this fact should tell us something). Anyway now we have the North Korean government as source for criticism and do not need the other poor source anymore. So I do not see any reason to keep the two sentences. -- Gamnamu (talk) 16:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi

If you could take a look at the article Pettakere cave that I have created I would appreciate it! :). Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. Could you take one more look at the article now, because I have added more information and done some tweaking as well. Appreciate it. The DYK reviewer told me that perhaps the references needed some tweaking in formatting. I am not sure, but take a look.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

If you want to, please take a look at the Detmold child article. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Please take a look at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know at the bottom. User Crisco wants me to not do DYKs anymore on the basis that I am not good at doing DYKs apparently. But my track record shows otherwise, just look at DYKstats my articles right now for this month alone has over 40,000 views for those who reached over 5,000 views. And then some more for those who did not reach 5,000 views. me and Crisco had a dispute today, and I think I hurt him somehow and now he is after me. However the accusation has no merit. Am I the best ever DYK user, no. Do I need advice on the basis that I otherwise should not do DYKs, no. Please take a look at the discussion atleast.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	Thanks for your awesome edits! :) Dillard421♂♂ 04:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Date ranges

Copied from Talk:Charles G. Myers: I quote from Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Ranges: "Use a dash, or a word such as from or between, but not both: from 1881 to 1886 (not from 1881–86)". That looks clear enough to me. If you know some other instruction of the MoS that might apply here, give me a link, please. Kraxler (talk) 14:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Melina Mercouri

Hi, I noticed you did some work on Melina Mercouri and added IMDB as a source. However, IMDB is mentioned in Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources as not being reliable. Maybe it is better to find another source. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh.

It is extremely unfortunate you were struck by this rule If I undo your vandalization, Expect a not happy Edit Summary.

I apologise majorly for that error. It is extremely unusual that it happens. Sorry about that. Anyway... I assume your a Niners fan? TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 15:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

It's fine, no worries. In re your last question: nope, I'm from New York, but I am not really a big sports fan. Sometimes like to watch golf. I had the 49ers page watchlisted because of the IP vandalism. Yours, Quis separabit? 18:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi

First of all, Merry Christmas to you! Please take a look at the article Carolina Neurath. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Could you please take a look at the article Karolina Olsson. I appreciate it. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Ira D. Sankey

You can edit, we keep stepping on each other causing errors. I reverted it back to before I started editing. What I was adding was not that important. Merry Christmas. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I am done, sorry for the edit bumping, you can add back what I stepped on in my editing. I will add the names of his children later and their birth and death years. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Your question

RE: How am I supposed to know what you are going to write about? Quis separabit? 18:33, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Seeing that 179th and 180th New York State Legislature are blue links, there's a good chance that after 180 articles there will be coming more... Besides, the red links of unquestionably notable subjects should not be removed. The "What links here" function shows an editor, at the time of writing an article, where the subject was mentioned already. That helps a lot to dig up facts. Kraxler (talk) 18:44, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Why is it that I always run into you while recent changes patrolling, or just mindlessly going through a page's history (I like doing that, admittedly). Well, since you have ~118903 edits, I see you're a very prolific editor indeed! To keep you fuelled up, loaded with caffeine, and ready to increase that edit count, I figured I'd give you a cup of coffee. Cheers! --I am k6ka See what I have done 23:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Mather(s)?

In this edit to Cotton Mather, in the puritan resistance section, you say "Mathers disagreed, and most, if not all, Puritan pastors stood with Mather." Do you mean "The Mathers" or "Mather". Generic1139 (talk) 16:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Tagging Categories nominated for Deletion or Merging

Hello, Thanks for nominating Category:Pine City, New York for deletion. There are tons of underpopulated small town categories out there that a local editor created in good faith but have no hope for growth. I tagged the category with the Template:Cfd on your behalf. If the category is not tagged, when the closing admin goes to remove it, they generally won't proceed. (Template:Cfm is used for merging categories.) Thanks.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Adolfo Müller-Ury

Hello, I see you have reverted some further information I added from the obituary of Stuart Preston which I thought was pertinent and interesting since he does not have his own Misplaced Pages entry. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/stuart-preston-11184.html In truth I don't know how to add references, and all my attempts as a result of your prompting have failed and I have not saved them. Maybe you can add this reference and then I will see if I can get it to work myself? Stephen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen Conrad (talk • contribs) 11:21, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Robert I don't know why you deleted the section on Muller-Ury's critical assessment which I based on one in another artist's page ages ago which was far more subjective than mine. You appeared to accept the changes when I revised it before, and as I can't spend all my time writing for Misplaced Pages and have only recently begun adding the references you wanted, it is very disheartening that you remove perfectly factual statements. As I have seen more Muller-Ury pictures than anyone else living, I think Misplaced Pages should accept that I know what I am talking about and that I did not add the section without thought; I may be "close" to the research, but I am trying to make it more accurate all the time as my research and writing of his biography progresses, and in any case you deleted what is a quotation from a source mentioned in the section, and which I had not yet got around to amending the way you want, with a footnote. Please revert the section and allow me time to make changes with references. Thank you in advance.

Hello Robert Please would you not put the section on Adolfo Muller-Ury's third cousin Hildegarde Muller-Uri ahead of other information about HIM, as it makes no sense whatsoever; she is really part of the Lost Colony of Artists in San Augustine, and really I only put her in Muller-Ury's entry at the end until such time as I could get more information about her to create her own page, which she deserves. Placing her in the middle of Muller-Ury's article is extremely misleading. And why delete all the other facts about her, which you can read online in the Lost Colony articles? If you don't know about these obscure American painters, then you will cause confusion by inserting it in the middle, and I have spent twenty years researching Muller-Ury and don't want my hard efforts in search of facts undone. Thank you. It might be better if you communicated with me, rather than just reverting things. When I worked on a related page on Count Antoine Seilern, the editors were more helpful in discussing changes. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen Conrad (talk • contribs) 16:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

January 2015

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Barry Williams (spree killer). Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Edward Marshall Boehm

I removed Category:American sculptors because it was superseded by Category:20th-century American sculptors, which I created this afternoon. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:54, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Bess Myerson

According to the New York Times obituary today, "Her coronation, on Sept. 8, 1945, just days after Japan’s surrender had ended World War II, came at a time when a beauty queen could still capture the nation’s attention and even emerge a heroine — in Ms. Myerson's case as the first (and, so far, only) Jewish Miss America." If you don't believe that's true, you'll have to take it up with the New York Times. Coretheapple (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thompson (band)

In April 2014 you have tagged the article with {{POV}}. It is not immediately clear what is the problem with the article; to me it seems that controversial stuff in it has been largely whitewashed in the last year or so. Could you briefly describe the POV problems in the article's talk? I might add some comments of my own, and I'm also considering doing a (POV) cleanup. GregorB (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Lena Dunham

Given your obvious personal vendetta against Lena Dunham, I suggest that you may wish to refrain from editing her article moving forward. Our biographies are not designed as a platform for those with a demonstrated personal dislike and/or hatred of their subjects to express or vent those viewpoints. Should you make similar comments in the future, I will file a request for enforcement of the discretionary sanctions relating to biographies of living people. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 07:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Rms125a@hotmail.com, if I'd seen that hair-raisingly offensive comment when it was fresh, I'd have blocked you like a shot. I agree with NBSB that you'd be well advised not to edit Lena Dunham further. Bishonen | talk 10:51, 12 March 2015 (UTC).

Bishonen that needs rev del. Murry1975 (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure. I didn't have time to check it was still there, but I've removed it now. Thanks, Murry1975. Bishonen | talk 12:36, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Bishonen, if you revdel that diff, then you also need to revdel the subsequent edits in the history until the comment was redacted, otherwise it's still visible to anyone. Bencherlite 12:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's not perfect. Pity nobody alerted an admin at the time. I'm not actually going to delete all the later stuff; that's too high a price. The revdel I did has made it harder to find, and has made a point to the editor who posted it, which I certainly hope they take note of. That'll have to do. Bishonen | talk 12:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC).

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Template:Z33 Hipocrite (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Lee Radziwill

Lee Radziwill was an actress look under "Career and fame" on her page Redsky89 (talk) 04:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Rodleen Getsic

I'm inclined to nominate the article for deletion. It seems like possibly the article subject herself, or someone close to her with a COI, created the article and the one on her father, Ed Giecek. The latter I nom'd for deletion earlier today. With few references left that are secondary, it seems like there's not enough notability here supported by reliable, secondary sources to keep it. Thoughts? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:02, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Right to work

Hi Rms125a@hotmail.com, this is what I saw:

On March 9, 2015, Walker signed legislation making Wisconsin a right to work state. In 2012 he told reporters at the state Republican Party convention that right-to-work legislation "It’s not going to get to my desk ... I’m going to do everything in my power to make sure it isn't there because my focal point (is) private sector unions have overwhelmingly come to the table to be my partner in economic development."

While campaigning for re-election in 2014, Walker said he had no plans to pursue right-to-work legislation focused on private unions, and "private sector unions are my partner in economic development." Once the legislation was initiated in the state legislature, Walker stated: "I haven't changed my position on it, it just wasn't a priority for me. But should they pass it within the next two weeks, which is their target, I plan on signing it."

What do you think? I'll leave the final decision with you. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

cicely Tyson

why have you delete my edit on Cicely Tyson, the picture is most recent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judor92 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome

Thanks for the thanks! Hugh (talk) 14:56, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gilda's Club

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A motivation barnstar

		The Misplaced Pages Motivation Barnstar
		Thank you for all the 'thanks' that you give when I, and I presume others, make small changes to pages in which you have an interest. It motivates me to keep going Icarusgeek (talk) 16:36, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Template: Year article header

Hi Robert - thanks for your appreciation. I've noticed that the text at the top of 1927 is garbled:

1927 (MCMXXVII) was a common year starting on Saturday of the Gregorian calendar (dominical letter B), the 1927th year of the Common Era (CE) and Anno Domini (AD) designations, the 927th year of the 2nd millennium, the 27th year of the 20th century, and the 8th year of the 1920s decade between 1583 and 1929 and with Julian Value: 1927 is 13 calendar days difference, which continued to be used until the complete conversion of the Gregorian calendar was entirely done in 1929.

Everything after the word 'decade' is pretty much incomprehensible. This must be a problem with the template {{Year article header}}, I think. I've raised the matter on the template's talk page, but I've also noticed that another editor raised the same issue 9 months ago, to no effect. Might this be something you know anything about? I can't even work out whereabouts in the template code this text is generated. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Kayla Mueller

On 28 March 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kayla Mueller, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that ISIL hostage Kayla Mueller once participated in the International Solidarity Movement in defending the homes of Palestinians? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kayla Mueller. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Celebrate

	Yoor Know Phool
	Have a humorous day filled with lots of PHUN on this April Fools Day 2015. Any annoyance is purely coincidental.   Bfpage |leave a message  10:08, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Kristopher_Van_Varenberg

It's seems to be both Portuguese and Puerto Rican. Eg. at Gladys_Portugues a Portugues descent is mentioned. Though indeed I also found a source where it is mentioned she also has Puerto Rican blood. But of course most Puerto Ricans came from Europe or Africa. --Wester (talk) 17:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)