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sources

I am really beginning to questions User:SPECIFICO's narrow and selective interpretation of the Wiki Reliable Sources guidelines. For example, he goes on about how "opinion" cannot be used as RS, even though wiki clearly guidelines that you can indeed use opinionated articles to cite sources. And now he has begun to claim that twitter feeds are impermissible, another unfound claim that is contradicted here: Misplaced Pages:External_links/Perennial_websites#Twitter and also here Misplaced Pages:RS#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves. You may indeed use self-published sources (including Twitter/FB feeds) to verify a claim that is about the author in question. DA1 (talk) 14:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

You're repeating misconceptions to which I already responded above. Please have another look at my comments above and re-read the relevant WP policies. It's not that Twitter can never be used, but the use which I removed is not consistent with WP policy. Please give a look at the detail in the relevant policies. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 15:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Let's assume that twitter is not allowed as a source. In that case, why remove the statement as well? The statement is true and that has been shown. If in such case, there remains the persistence to remove the initial statement itself (irrespective of the eligibility of the source, as long the as source itself is verified), then that would imply a political/interest bias and not merely a matter of protocol. So may the statement remain, until it has been resolved (when we find an alternative source). DA1 (talk) 08:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so you have once again removed the statement from the article that he is an anti-zionist whilst claiming that it is unsourced and controversial? So you are pretending that this never happened, that you did not see me source the twitter citation the first time around? I am for certain now, that there is a clear interest/political bias from your accord. 19:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)DA1 (talk)

Behind on commenting here, but as I said on the WP:DRN Tweet says: "Many of "my people" are anti-zionist. C'mon! Jews can be voluntarists too!" It is rather ambiguous since he's describing others and not being explicit about his own views. I'd like to see him make a clear statement, but this is not it. It just takes too much WP:Synthesis interpretation to say it means he himself is an anti-Zionist, though my personal guess he is (and of course that itself can have a very broad interpretation). He should write a detailed blog and resolve the issue :-) CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie🗽 19:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, i have replied to the DR. I would also like to express my apologies if my statements are taken as "personal attacks", which they are not. DA1 (talk) 19:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Removed unsourced claim

I removed the sentence about Kokesh and others being targeted for arrest, because the only source for that paragraph, from US News, does not make that claim. RNealK (talk) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

His "political party" bar in the infobox says he's Republican. That is not entirely true, he was Republican during his 2010 congressional run only. There is also a religion bar that says he's "Jewish", he is actually atheist but ethnically Jewish. There are numerous mentions of it, including this video where it is a more prominent subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JUfWlf2xNY (00:40 sec). DA1 (talk) 08:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Finding reliable sources for things one "knows are true" can be difficult.Sometimes it's just better to leave things out when not quite accurate. FYI. CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie🗽 19:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but that was't the case, as someone had entered his religion as "Jewish" (which is not accurate), than leave it blank. I have sourced and changed it to "atheist". DA1 (talk) 19:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

"Atheist" is not a religion. SPECIFICO talk 19:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I was going to change it to "None (atheist)". But thought i rather not, lest it be reverted and be blamed for not following "good faith" in refraining from editing the article. DA1 (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not suggesting you edit the article. I am suggesting it's nonsense to call "Atheist" a religion, on WP, on the street, in church, on the moon, or anywhere else. SPECIFICO talk 20:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

User SPECIFICO, for someone who has claimed "personal attack" against me for my use of terminology, i would say your statement is indeed against "good faith" and borderline 'personal attack'. I would also like to point out the contradictions in bringing up logic (on the correct use of "religion"/atheism), when you yourself refuse to acknowledge any of my logic. DA1 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I would like to address the recent edit removing the term "ethnically Jewish" to simply 'Jewish'. Jewish-ness is both a race and a religion. If Kokesh is an atheist (which he has repeatedly admitted), then the only thing that remains is being "ethnically" Jewish. Having an article that says he's "Jewish but an atheist", is extremely confusing to readers and even contradictory. There needs to be a reasonable level of user discretion in editing articles, as opposed to blindly including/deleting anything that isn't specifically mentioned in a citation. DA1 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I think we should keep what I wrote: "He was raised Jewish, but today is an outspoken Atheist". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp16103 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

July 4th news story

I don't have energy to deal with this right now, but there are more news stories about a 7/4/13 video stunt. Wash Post; Politico; NBC Washington. CarolMooreDC - talk to me🗽 22:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

removing un-reliable sources and sources that are primary documents

Using Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Reliable_sources as our guide, we *must* avoid using as sources:

Blogs that are not subject to a news organization's normal fact-checking process
Questionable sources, "those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest"
Self-published sources
Original research, for example: "Sources must support the material clearly and directly: drawing inferences from multiple sources to advance a novel position is prohibited by the NOR policy"
Primary sources, see: Misplaced Pages:BLP#Misuse_of_primary_sources and Misplaced Pages:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources.

I am removing information from this article that are supported only by sources from the categories I've listed above. Kingturtle = (talk) 16:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Your blanket revert reinstalled POV arguments and speculation into the article, and I've reverted it. Please clean up from this current version. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

IVAW

Concerning this edit, in which I commented, "Adam has temporarily been a member of a lot of things; no group should be given undue weight in the lede. (His role in IVAW is mentioned elsewhere in the article.)", I would also note for future editors that Adam has rapidly distanced himself from socialist sentiments; and it would therefore be inaccurate for the article to imply that he's currently a leftist via the communist-front IVAW.--Froglich (talk) 19:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC) -Get of his KOX (etym. of Kokesh = cock), your boy wonder has been x-posed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.35.149 (talk) 23:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Judaism

Whoever is doing this needs to stop denying Adam's heritage. Adam was raised Jewish, he may not practice Judaism today but this is still significant. Stop denying it, here is the source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ-doQFd3I — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp16103 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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