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I find the attempts to provoke any editor into some sort of negative response far less civil than mentioning any particular gender's genitalia. There was absolutely NO reason for that editor to be posting on Eric's page other than an attempt to provoke and WP:HARRASS him. The block should stand.

There is a long history here, and if you are familiar with it, then I can only assume you support such behavior. I hope that is not the case. — Ched :  ?  01:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Please don't pretend that I support the actions of an editor because I recognized an instance of incivility against them. Giano's attack on Lightbreather occurred on Eric's talk page in a discussion that Giano had not previously been a part of. WP:NPA doesn't have a clause saying that it's okay to attack editors if you think they're being disruptive. Since you don't seem to be interested in doing anything about ongoing incivility, you might also like to not do anything about an editor calling me "a problem" and implying I'm on drugs. gobonobo 01:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Reading through the entire thread on Eric's talk, and as was pointed out to you here, the entire subject matter of "ovaries" was brought up by Lightbreather. Suggesting that they (LB) take them (the ovaries) and leave the page, where they (LB) were clearly being confrontational, is not a personal attack in my opinion. In reviewing your recent contribs, I can understand why an editor might consider your recent edits "a problem". In light of everything I've seen, I find it very unlikely that you and I will reach any sort of agreement on this. Hopefully in some future discussion we can find that we agree on something, but I doubt it will be here and now. I'll leave you to your page. — Ched :  ?  02:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
(I don't want to start a new thread.) Every time I read "imply" I am afraid. I look at attitude more than single remarks and their implications which may be subject to interpretation. I have found Eric on the side of women in times of need and will not forget that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Gender Gap red list pages

I just kind of stumbled into your red list pages and they are quite impressive! I wish I was a more prolific content creator, there is obviously a lot of work that needs to be done. Liz 19:48, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Siege of Kobanî

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Al-Shabaab support inside wikipedia

Hi, I have read your interesting comments about user:Middayexpress. You made the negative comments that "Middayexpress can be a difficult editor to work with. Middayexpress tends to exert ownership over Somalia-related articles, employing an editing style that is combative and adversarial, often refactoring other's contributions and/or edit-warring to preserve their preferred version of an article. Sometimes Middayexpress exhibits tendentious behavior, removing sourced material that is critical of Somalia or Somali people".

Of course I agree with you, but I want to add the following information, in case you want to investigate the "Al-Shabaab-ISIS" issue & presence on Misplaced Pages. Thanks anyway:

MIDDAYEXPRESS: supposed involvement in MUSLIM TERRORISM SUPPORT

She is a Somali woman living in the UK, probably in London, who is accused to be with pathological behavior while controlling in en.wiki all articles on Somalia. She has caused to abandon Misplaced Pages at least one user (https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Chuckupd), who wrote that "I'm not the only one being attacked (by Middayexpress) without mercy" and "Middayexpress, you are hopelessly insane " and finally "I give up on Misplaced Pages. Middayexpress has accused me with so many lies that it has become unbearably depressing. I'm not the only one being attacked without mercy. One of these days, I hope she will be banned and then I might consider returning here."

Another wiki user (user: Buckshot06) wrote that "Middayexpress is in long-standing, continual violation of WP:NPOV, continually rolls back edits that do not reflect his views (IDONTLIKEIT/Disruptive editing, plus WP:UNDUE over-positive views of the Somali situation), and continually attempts to WP:OWN a wide range of Somalia articles." And this statement was supported by User:Bobrayner, who wrote that "I share Buckshot06's concerns. However, I feel the problem may be more widespread, as I have seen Middayexpress doing the same kind of pov-pushing on other articles related to Somalia and the surrounding region".

Buckshot06 wrote (on 17 February 2014): "Middayexpress, I remain increasingly concerned about your distortions of sources in both these articles. Beyond the issue of the TFG's security forces in Mogadishu in December 2006-January 2007, these include putting words in the mouth of a senior Ethiopian official, who did not say that Ethiopia had 8,000 troops in Somalia in November 2013, distorting a meeting between Italian and Somali officials in 2012 into a claim that Somali had started rebuilding its air force in 2000-2010, and inventing aircraft numbers and entire aircraft from the Library of Congress Country Study. Why do you continually readd the SM-1019s that are not listed in the Country Study?".....and user Nick-D (talk) added:" I've noticed that your edits to these articles seem to put an unduly positive "spin" on things. For instance, in your most recent edit to the Somali Civil War article you removed material sourced to a January 2013 academic journal article by Laura Hammond in which she argued that "uch of rural Somalia remains in the hands of al-Shabaab" and replaced it with more positive material sourced to a November 2012 news story which argues that 85% of the country was under government control at the time. You did not provide a rationale for this change (especially removing material outright rather than noting differing viewpoints) and I'm wondering why you made this change?"

User:Gobonobo added the negative comments that "Middayexpress can be a difficult editor to work with. Middayexpress tends to exert ownership over Somalia-related articles, employing an editing style that is combative and adversarial, often refactoring other's contributions and/or edit-warring to preserve their preferred version of an article. Sometimes Middayexpress exhibits tendentious behavior, removing sourced material that is critical of Somalia or Somali people". Additionally User:StoneProphet pinpointed that Middayexpress did "rampant cherry-picking of sources and content".

Middaexpress had fights from his first wiki-moments even with admins (like http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Kwamikagami/old , who accused Middayexpress of "violating basic Misplaced Pages policy") and with many other users.

Middayexpress has even insulted users, like User:Sherurcij, who was called "racist" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Somalia_Affair&action=historysubmit&diff=303950062&oldid=303948740 ).

Middayexpress was "restricted" from posting by admin EdJohnston for some months in June 2010, after an edit-warring with user StoneProphet (http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Middayexpress/Archive_11).

User:Baboon43 accused Middayexpress of meatpuppetry in a sockpuppet investigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Runehelmet/Archive ). He wrote: "Middayexpress is a meatpuppet master for Runehelmet as seen on Runehelmets talk page once middayexpress began into a dispute with me he went over to call runehelmet into the discussion 27 and rune also does the same vice versa 28..These two individuals would rather have a page dominated by somali-centric material and seem to turn a blind eye on other ethnic groups as seen here 29..Gyrofrog does not enter discussion on a wide scale like Runehelmet does so that is not comparable..If an editor pushes pov and seems to take your side in a discussion always and you go invite him then that is not acceptable..also your example about you and runehelmet disagreeing on article doesnt matter because that article is strictly somali oriented(squabbling in your own pot)..runehelmet would rather tag team if possible based on his behavior & he prefers to tag team strictly with Middayexpress....User Runehelmet also seems like a meatpuppet for User_talk:Middayexpress as clearly seen on runehelmets talk page ..midday passes on articles for runehelmet to add on his watchlist clearing way for both users to appear on WP:OBSART and wp:CAN..it seems other users have brought up their behavior in previous discussion 7..middayexpress invites runehelmet to discussions which is also clearly seen on the talk page..they back each other to push consensus seen here & ..also the only time Runehelmet seems to accept consensus in a dispute is if middayexpress enters the discussion as seen here & " Baboon43 (talk) 09:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Bricology found that Middaexpress was "hiding it in a long, dense and relatively undifferentiated timeline" the issue of poaching as a source of funds for the Somalian terrorist group Al-Shabaab. (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Al-Shabaab_(militant_group)#Moving_on...). He even wrote: "Middayexpress, you either presume that you have the power to unilaterally change other editors' work or you misunderstand the relevant issue, or both".

This tentative to "help" the image of Al-Shabaab in Misplaced Pages (similar to the one denounced by user Nick-D ) raises doubts, and creates the possibility that Middayexpress has a supposed involvement in Muslim terrorism support. Indeed she has an astonishing knowledge of Al-Shabaab activity in the last years: this knowledge can only possessed by an insider (or a closely-related insider) of this terrorist organization!

Furthermore, Middayexpress has shown a "fanatical hate" (similar to the one of members of Al-Shabaab) against Christianity in Somalia, as is clearly evidenced from her cancellation of serious bibliography and data in the voice "Roman Catholicism in Somalia" (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Roman_Catholicism_in_Somalia&oldid=320544261): she has made disappear that "The Bishop of Mogadishu, Franco Filippini, declared in 1940 that there were about 40,000 Somali Catholics due to the work of missionaries in the rural regions of Juba and Shebelle, but WWII damaged in an irreversibly way most of the catholic missions in Italian Somalia. ". She angrily (as a possible al-Shabaab member or sympathizer) denied her POV-caused disappearances (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Roman_Catholicism_in_Somalia&oldid=320948362).

Middayexpress even attacked with continuous "malignity" user Oldsettler accusing him of sockpuppetry until she obtained the help of "wikimafia" user Vituzzu (read about this Sicilian-calabrese: The Stewarts are firmly in control): she wanted and obtained to "decapitate without pity in Misplaced Pages" Oldsettler with the same kind of malignity & hate shown in Syria by ISIS terrorists. Oldsettler wrote "The malignity of this Middayexpress is unbelievable. Why against me? I have never done anything with him/her or against him/her, but -after obtaining to erase my dad's photo- now attacks me continuously repeating the same accusations again and again and again with his/her typical "byzantine phrases" full of the same things. I have read his/her 60 archives and I have found that he/she is a Somalian living in the UK (probably in the London area full of supporters of ISIS (read ) and that he/she has had "fightings" with many wikipedians. He/she has collected many blocks and menaces of blocks for his/her continuous edit-warrings and seems to promote muslim POVs in a way that remembers the religious fanatism: most important to me, he/she seems to "hate" colonialism and western colonialists, so probably he/she identifies me with the Italians who colonized Somalia....and this can explain his/her attacks against me."

Furthermore Vituzzu is known in the Italian wiki as one of the main bosses of the “Italian wikimafia”. Some websites denounce him, like “Wikiperle” (read in Italian : htp://wikiperle.blogspot.com/2013/05/wikipedia-mai-criticare-la-famiglia.html) and “Perle Complottiste” (read: http://complottismo.blogspot.com/search/label/Vituzzu?max-results=100 ) and so do many Italian wikiusers (read in Italian: http://it.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Amministratori/Riconferma_annuale/Vituzzu/3 ; http://it.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Amministratori/Riconferma_annuale/Archivio/Archivio_riconferme_tacite/2012#Vituzzu ; http://it.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Amministratori/Riconferma_annuale/Archivio/Archivio_riconferme_tacite/2013#Vituzzu ). Vituzzu -he is from Calabria, the home of Ndrangheta (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/02/150224083921277.html)- has even been "blocked" many times in the Italian Misplaced Pages, even if he is an admin, and "strangely" survived without ever being banned (http://it.wikipedia.org/search/?titl… ): but this could only be possible because of his powerful "mafia" relationships!).

This help from wikimafia Vituzzu could or seems to be related to the growing relationship between muslim terrorism organizations and the mafia against & inside the Christian Western industrial societies (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PZMgorG2ojMJ:www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201211/20121127ATT56707/20121127ATT56707EN.pdf+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us): may be it is even related -as a clear possible proof- to the Middayexpress supposed involvement in Muslim terrorism support. Even a possible link to Al-Kaeda cannot be excluded, because of the growing contacts between Somalian Al-Shabaab and ISIS (read: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/24/isis-reaches-out-to-somali-terror-group-al-shabaab/ ).

Indeed in London, between some members of the huge Somalian community, there it is a growing "hidden" support for Al-Shabaab; and Middaexpress seems to live there (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964218/Somali-terror-group-Al-Shabaab-calls-Westgate-style-shopping-centre-attack-London-s-Oxford-Street-chilling-new-video.html ).

If interested in further in formation, please go to http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/north-london-boys

  1. Tripodi, Paolo. The Colonial Legacy in Somalia. p. 66