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Delete the page

this page talks about a mythical area that have never existed... --Ambelland (talk) 01:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge with other Balochistan Page

Why have a separate page for a place that has never existed ? --Gbh123 (talk) 00:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

One article

I dont see why the history and complete demographics plus socio economic setup of Balochistan cannot be in one article ,there is no sense to divide it as most other articles on States and Provinces are detailed into one article and/or comprehensive enough.This article covers everything there is to know about Balochistan and thats what a reader must have and should have.--Sheikhu 04:33, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Two Images

Also I have noticed that user:202.91.105.11 has removed some images without due reason from this article.Please provide legitimate reasons before deleting anything of significance in an article.--Usmanreddy 04:56, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Opinionated article

"Gwadar is in the clutches of a land-grab mafia from Punjab"

While I am not from Punjab, the sentence above sounds highly opinionated. It seems the article has been written from one point of view rather than from a general academic view.

The three major ethnic groups in Balochistan, Baloch, Pashtun and Punjabi have very different views on the whole system and an outsider (or someone with a view thereof) is required to reflect on the current state.

I am from Balochistan and from neither of the three above ethnicities, yet I'm fully aware of my bias and do not feel I can write an impartial article.

Emotions can run high on all sides when the history and current status of this province is mentioned, and this article should be always taken with a grain of salt. (preceding unsigned comment by 70.24.237.16 --Hottentot

The last sentence of the lead says Now it is recognised by UNPO as an Un-represented Nation. UNPO, besides having a somewhat misleading acronym, does not seem notable enough for this part of the article. What this sentence really says is that Baluchistan has a nationalist movement big enough to join an organization for nationalist movements; except it's written from a pro-Baluchistan point of view. That kind of thing should be discussed in a section on Baluchistani politics. Brock (talk) 16:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

History section

The history section here should be put into the Balochistan (Pakistan) article because it is only speaking about that area. (preceding unsigned comment by Binsaleemz --Hottentot


Strictly grammatical

I have clarified some terms and corrected some grammar and punctuation, in order to make this comprehensible. Let me emphasize that my only input is technical and I have no opinion on the situation, yet I feel that readers who come to Misplaced Pages for information would be turned off by the non-neutral language, thus counteracting the writer's obvious desire for people to be informed of his/her cause. If you wrote this, please consider removing the non-neutral language, so that the message will come through clearly and sensibly. Her Pegship 00:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Should be Rewritten

In my opinion, the article must be redone. It is too one-dimensional, as it talks largely about only one aspect of Baluchistan's history, ignoring more general information that would normally be found in an article about a geographic region. DigiBullet 14:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

This article could use a rewrite

This article could use a rewrite This article could use a rewrite 01:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed change

This page should be the disambiguation page for the word Balochistan with redirects from Baluchistan and Baluchestan. The content of this article could be moved to a Balochistan (region) article. Green Giant 05:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, it depends on what pages link to this one. If most link to the larger region, then don't make it a disambig page, but if a great deal of the pages are supposed to link to the other meanings as well as this one, it might be a good idea. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Balochistan. --Khoikhoi 05:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Summarizing

From the point of view of someone completely unfamiliar with this subject, I find the article in desperate need a brief summary. After reading through the first page or so of the article, I'm pretty sure Balochistan is located in the country of Pakistan, but am not sure. This is a problem.
Riobranden 10:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Balochistan is a region currently divided between Pakistan, Iran, and possibly Afghanistan (there are Balochis in the south of that country). In Pakistan it makes up the province of Balochistan. For the article about Balochistan in Iran, see Balochistan (Iran). --Khoikhoi 20:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Most of the content of this article is almost completely identical to the content of the History of Baluchistan page. Starting from the second paragraph of the History section to the Recent Developments section the only difference is a little extra text in the Military Cantonments Issue section. Altogether some 276 pages link to this page but of those 126 pages do so specifically in the context of linking to Balochistan (Pakistan) and not the wider region (including 28 pages on the districts of Pakistani Balochistan which make no mention of the wider region). That works out at about 45% of the pages linking here. I can understand User:Riobranden confusion because so many links are pointing here without intending to do so.
To remove this ambiguity, I will eliminate the matching sections with History of Baluchistan from this page and move the remaining content to a Balochistan region page with a link from this page. This page should become a disambiguation page on the lines of Punjab, Macedonia and Georgia. Green Giant 21:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, good job. I agree. --Khoikhoi 02:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 10:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Bertistan

Incorrect old maps have Balochistan labeled as "Bertistan". Bertistan should redirect here. For an example, see --189.33.15.103 (talk) 22:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

"Herodotus in 650 BC described ..."

Herodotus lived over 150 years later, so how can he have described anything in 650 BC? Floris V (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Balochistan. Arbitrarily0  13:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Balochistan (region) → Balochistan region — - why do we need the parentheses, when a simpler name will be easier to type and search for? Green Giant (talk) 04:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC) Support per nom. warrior4321 21:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Spelling

Why must Misplaced Pages force a nationalist-inspired oddball spelling down our throats every single time? It hurts your credibility. It's Baluchistan. The only context in which the average person might have heard of the place is in "beast of Baluchistan", spelled thus. Are you going to try to make the genus "balochitherium"? You are annoying the hell out of I daresay a lot of us with this nonsense. Ask me why I bother, and I'll say I don't know.

Merge to Balochistan

This article is about an administrative province of Pakistan, not about the historic and geographic region of Baluchistan. I strongly suggest the Ethymology and at least Early History (if not British Rule, too) sections are merged with Balochistan article. Also, the info in the Ethymology section currently seems to contradict the explanation contained in Balochistan ("Balochistan is named after the native Baloch tribes"). kashmiri 17:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I did not understand you, you are already in the article of Balochistan, the article of administrative province of Pakistan is Balochistan, Pakistan! Do you want to merge the Etymology and Early History to Balochistan, Pakistan. Faizan -Let's talk!

Army's So Called Atrocities

I have added another source from amnesty who are reliable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The amnesty article that you have quoted does not use the phrase 'Pakistani Army' for once?! Just because the the report says "The victims’ relatives and Baloch groups blame the ‘kill and dump’ incidents on Pakistani security forces, particularly the Frontier Corps and intelligence agencies." this does not automatically mean that they are actually involved. Adding this unconfirmed info mean that you are POV-pushing. Stop it!PakSol  16:02, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Source days credible investigation carried out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Show me where? But then first, get a reliable source. The talk page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Balochistan#Opinionated_article already says UNPO is NOT a reliable source. We cant go in circle over something which already has been discussed. PakSol  16:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Amnesty is reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Sure is, but does the website proves your POV? Or is it just your own interpretation and thus the POV-pushing? PakSol  18:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Read source also another here http://www.dawn.com/news/681889/balochistan-at-point-of-no-return-mengal-tells-nawaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 18:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

You call this is a source? Just because something is published online doesnt make it a source. Direct quotes (without proper interpretation by a secondary source) and allegation by some politician against the Government because he is in the opposition is not a reliable source. Did you see the word "accused" in the very first sentence of the so called 'source' you have added? Please use commonsense. Had Mr Mengal been an elected member, may be we could pay heed to his rants, but quoting a 4 year old 'news' as source is not what we do here at Misplaced Pages, especially if you are going to further misinterpret it to push your own POV.
None of the sources you have been pushing say anything near to what you are trying to include in your edits. This amounts to disruptive editing and any further edits as vandalism. PakSol  00:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

You called me vandal and admin said I no, so stop accusing wiki will not let me post quotes here? 82.11.33.86 (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Hold your horse and read through the discussion on the so called sources that you are trying to add. Also, this article is about Balochistan, the area, not about the 'atrocities' that takes place there. PakSol  12:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Should article have human rights atrocities in? resources are in edit I did. More resource 82.11.33.86 (talk) 12:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments

  • Oppose The sources being cited are unreliable/blogs. The link from Amnesty website does not support the POV that is being pushed into the article and is being quoted just to provide credibility which anyone can see is lacking. The info from Dawn that is being quoted is being deliberately misrepresented and misinterpreted. This discussion has already taken place here https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Balochistan#Army.27s_So_Called_Atrocities, but the IP is unable to improve its sources nor the quality of info. Since the past 48 hours, this is the third IP which have tried to insert "exactly" the same info repeatedly. It seem like as if a certain group is carrying out planned disruptive edits by using different IPs. Also, the reasons of reverts made by editors opposing this edit should be seen in the history of the article who have amply tried to explain this point over and again. PakSol  12:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Nowhere does the sources being quoted says "The pakistani army carries out atrocities against the Baloch people", as if it were systamtic and planned. Moreover, there's a full article Human rights violations in Balochistan on the subject. The IPs can have a field day over there, but not here. And lasty, quoting sources like http://www.balochitvonline.com is laughable to say the least. PakSol  12:37, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
No blogs 82.11.33.86 (talk) 12:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Did you bother reading the word accused in the title of the source you are trying to quote? Google doesnt help much, or does it? :) PakSol  12:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I gave quote see "Pakistan's military has escalated its brutal campaign of abduction and extra-judicial execution targeting nationalist rebels in Balochistan province, human rights groups have said." 82.11.33.86 (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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