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Threading comments on talk pages.

Hi Steve,

You seem to have some difficulty understanding the way that threading comments work on talk pages. Talk pages are not flat chronological linear discussions; if they were, we wouldn't use indentation. Here is an example of a multithreaded conversation:

Hi everybody, I'm back. --Forrest 12:00

Hi Forrest. How was your fourth of July? --Bob 01:15

Why is the fourth of July special? --Roderick 02:00

We Americans celebrate it as our independence day, Rod. --Forrest 03:20

It's the day we got free of you Brits, of course. --Dave 04:00

It was good Bob, how was yours? --Forrest 03:25

Pretty good, fireworks were awesome. --Bob 04:00

OMG I love fireworks. Ours were AWESOME this year! --Betty 04:10

What was so awesome about them, Betty? --Forrest 05:40

The smiley faces!!!! --Betty 06:00

Yeah mine were pretty good too, Bob. --Forrest 05:45

Hey honey, give me a call when you get home OK? --Mom 01:30

Ok mom, will do. --Forrest 03:30

Hey mom, I just tried calling but no answer. IM me when you see this. --Forrest 05:50

Hey Forrest. Welcome back. Will you have those reports ready for me today? --TheBoss 01:45

Yeah boss, I'm almost done with them now, should be off to you before the end of the day. --Forrest 01:50

Some notable points in this conversation:

• I replied to Roderick's 2-indented comment with a 3-indented comment, then five minutes later replied to Bob's 1-indented comment with a 2-indented comment under that. Then Dave later put his reply to Roderick above my earlier reply to Bob, despite posting later than me.
• Similarly, I replied to Betty's 4-indented comment with a 5-indented comment, and then replied to Bob's 3-indented comment with my own 4-indented comment. Then much latter Betty put her response to me response above my lower reply to Bob, again despite chronology.
• I replied to my mom later in the afternoon, twice, while I replied to my boss immediately mid-day. However, because my mom commented before my boss, my replies to her goes above my boss's comment, even though I commented after my boss did.

On Talk:Time, I posted TWO comments: one "I concur...", in response to Manus' "Yes but time..."; and another, "My only real objection...", in response to your earlier "The retroactive first sentence says...". You wrote what appears to be a reply to "I concur...", but put it indented under "My only real objection...". You say in your edit summary "Your move gives a false impression that your lower comment is a response to my comment", but it does not, if you understand how indentation works; my comment is indented with other replies to your first comment. Instead, your move gives a false impression that you are responding to my second comment, when by all appearances you seem to be intending to respond to my first comment (which I imagine you took to be the first paragraph of a two-paragraph comment, but it is not; they're two separate comments).

Now that you've outdented your comment entirely, it looks like you're just starting fresh outside of the threads, and that's fine. But the way you originally posted broke the threading. "Proper chronological order" is not proper, because Wiki talk pages are not strictly chronological, they are threaded. --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate all of that, and as you well know Ive been editing here for ten years now, and know full well what indenting is. More to the point, I know that indenting has a purpose secondary to chronology - comments are primarily ordered chronologically. I understand that I may have indented my comment, and that gave you a false impression, and I apologise for that. But chronology is primary, and readers can decide what comments respond to which other comments. Its true that indents serve to indicate these kinds of responses, but before they do that indents simply indicate that a subsequent comment is separate from an above comment. Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 16:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi guys, would you want to check out this ANI and comment if you like? 71.169.190.154 (talk) 04:34, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Response

The instances where "God" was changed to "Yahweh" refer exclusively to the Judeo-Christian god, so the switch was made to reflect that. Considering there are other conceptions of gods, many of which go by "God" in everyday conversation amongst sharers of such conceptions, the change is intended to eliminate vagueness and establish a neutral point of view. - 69.85.216.188 (talk) 05:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Good point. -69.85.216.188 (talk) 05:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Go (game)

The article Go (game) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Go (game) for things which need to be addressed. GoP_{TN 15:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)}

Special vs General revelation

Done. Apologies for taking awhile to reply. Have been busy moving. Let me know if I can do anything more to help! Benkenobi18 (talk) 23:27, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Idea similar to WP:PRIME

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Judith Donath

Hi Steve. FYI I have nominated Judith Donath for DYK. Δρ.Κ.  17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Judith Donath

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WP:PRIME

When you began discussing moving this well-used redirect, did it not occur to you to drop a line to the person that created it?

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Talk:Gyeonggi Academy of Foreign Languages

Hello, and thanks for creating this article. It was tagged for notability for 3 years but I've removed this and put my comments at the above link. I thought I'd let you know in case you wanted to comment. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

acknowledgment

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Wiknic 2013

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You're invited...

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I could use your input!

Hello, I am a new editor on Misplaced Pages. I am interested in Alternative Medicine. I noticed the Burzynski Clinic article, so I tried to add some information to it.I tried to change the first paragraph, but Everything I changed was deleted several times, even though I sourced it. The first paragraph now has no sourcing and their definition of an "antineoplaston", is incorrect, so I tried to find the source and couldn't. So, I added the American Cancer Society's definition.(please see the article)I was told first that the American Cancer Society couldn't be used because it would make people think that the treatment was endorsed ( even though the American Cancer society is already listed as a source). I can't remember the other reason I was given. I tried to post on Dispute Resolution, but it was closed because two of the editors wanted to continue on Talk. We are not getting anywhere and there are about 5 editors that are of the same mindset. Is there anything I can do about this? Thank you!!Docia49 (talk) 17:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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