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Nocturnalnow

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Request concerning Nocturnalnow

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

NorthBySouthBaranof (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Nocturnalnow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Placing_sanctions_and_page_restrictions : Biographies of Living Persons discretionary sanctions with regard to the biography of Huma Abedin.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 3 October 2015 Removes long-standing, well-sourced description of fringe, highly-derogatory claims as a "conspiracy theory."
2. 6 October 2015 Uses a partisan primary source for negative comments about the subject.
3. 6 October 2015 Reverts negative partisan primary source into the article after it was removed.
4. 7 October 2015 Again reverts the negative partisan primary source into the article.
5. 11 October 2015 Adds more negative material, despite talk page concerns that it is unduly weighted and a coatrack.
6. 12 October 2015 Reverts the above material back into the article against talk page consensus.
7. 13 October 2015 Again removes the long-standing description of negative, discredited allegations as a conspiracy theory.
8. 14 October 2015 Removes a reliable source, falsely claiming that it was written by the subject's husband.
9. 17 October 2015 Inserts a partisan primary source and an unreliable partisan source (Breitbart) to source negative claims about the subject.
10. 17 October 2015 Inserts a link to a partisan primary source into the External Links section, violating WP:BLPEL.
11. 18 October 2015 Reverts the material back into the article after it was removed as not meeting quality and sourcing standards for content about living people.
12. 18 October 2015 Once again reinserts those unacceptable sources.
13. 18 October 2015 Yet again reinserts those same unacceptable sources.
14. 18 October 2015 Reverts the link to the partisan primary source after it was removed as not an acceptable external link for a biography.
15. 18 October 2015 Again reverts the above link.
16. 30 October 2015 Makes personal attacks against the article subject and her spouse on the article talk page.
17. 31 October 2015 Again removes consensus description of widely-discredited partisan attacks against her as being discredited, giving undue weight to a fringe theory which has been widely rejected by mainstream sources.

Edit-wars the {{NPOV}} tag into the article despite clear consensus that it doesn't apply:

1. 00:15, 23 October 2015
2. 20:08, 22 October 2015
3. 03:28, 22 October 2015
4. 18:56, 21 October 2015
5. 02:23, 19 October 2015
6. 21:59, 7 October 2015
7. 20:41, 7 October 2015
8. 01:54, 7 October 2015

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. Date Explanation
2. Date Explanation

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Notified of the sanctions by Gamaliel here.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This user is essentially a single-purpose account; out of fewer than 200 total edits to the encyclopedia, nearly 140 of them are to this biography or to its talk page. Effectively all of the edits and discussion have been highly negative toward the subject or have sought the inclusion of negative material about the subject, indicating that this user is not here to build an encyclopedic article about Abedin but rather to grind an ax against her and/or her husband. This is neatly demonstrated by this talk page comment which makes personal attacks on the subject and the subject's spouse. They have consistently edit-warred against clear talk page consensus to include negative material out of proportion to its prominence in reliable sources, to treat fringe allegations and claims with undue weight, to use poor and partisan sources and to cast aspersions on Abedin. Biographies of living people should not be edited by people with axes to grind against the article subject and I believe this editor should be encouraged to edit something else. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: D.Creish, as the reliable sources in the section discuss, the fringe claims about Abedin and the Muslim Brotherhood are widely condemned and rejected by reliable sources and commentators ranging from The Washington Post to the Anti-Defamation League to Senator John McCain, have frequently been described as conspiracy theories and have been supported only by a small fringe minority of right-wing extremists. The single source you quote in "defense" only proves my case — you have linked nothing but an opinion blog post by Andrew C. McCarthy, a conservative columnist writing for a conservative publication. That these sort of partisan outlets are the only sources you can find to defend the claims is exactly the point — they are rejected by the mainstream. Describing the claims in the language used by the broad majority of mainstream sources - discredited, conspiracy theory, rejected, partisan, paranoid, dishonest, meritless, reprehensible, etc. - is the very definition of how we write encyclopedically and neutrally. Referring to them in any other way gives those fringe and highly-defamatory claims undue weight and violates fundamental policy. NPOV does not mean we give all "sides" of an issue "equal time" or equal credence. Fringe, discredited and meritless attacks on a living person must be treated as such.

I would also note that this user is a brand-new account which recently showed up to edit Abedin's biography in a negative manner. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Rhoark raises a red herring by mentioning the fact that the highly-defamatory and widely-discredited claims about Abedin are made by "congressional representatives." Members of Congress are not themselves reliable sources, and their opinions and claims about living people hold no more and no less weight than any other person's opinions and claims in this encyclopedia. As with anyone else, the weight to be given to these claims in Misplaced Pages is governed by how reliable sources treat them. It is indisputable that the overwhelming weight of mainstream reliable sources consider these claims, regardless of their source, to be scurrilous, baseless and meritless. Those mainstream sources which have commented on them all but universally dismiss them as politically-motivated paranoia on the order of McCarthyism. The only support to be found for them is among right-wing sources, and even then, they are defended only by a small minority of conservatives. They are, in short, fringe theories, and highly-defamatory fringe theories at that. The biographies of living persons policy demands that we treat defamatory claims about living people with extreme sensitivity, and not give fringe negative claims undue weight or "equal credence" within biographical articles. This is a textbook example of why that policy is in place. Calling these highly-defamatory claims "allegations" without immediately mentioning the mainstream view of the allegations as discredited unfairly depicts the issue as one with "two equal sides," as opposed to what it is: a partisan fringe leveling politically-motivated attacks which have been widely rejected by virtually everyone else across the political spectrum. Policy demands that these claims must be depicted as what mainstream sources say they are — baseless nonsense. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified here

Discussion concerning Nocturnalnow

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by D.Creish

Based on edits since my involvement in this article I question the filer's neutrality.

They have several edits to the article so I'll confine my evidence to this one example: They insist on title-ing one particular section "Conspiracy theories" despite the lack of majority support for that statement and that those who allege the theories are living congresspeople, so BLP applies.

They've reverted a number of editors to retain this heading:

On the talk page they misrepresent sources to support the "conspiracy theory" heading:

"Well, no. The reliable sources on this matter are unanimous in describing these allegations as scurrilous, unfounded conspiracy theories." NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 02:44, 17 September 2014

This is misleading. Only some do, a fact acknowledged in the opening sentence of the section:The claims in the letter were widely rejected and condemned, and were sometimes labeled as conspiracy theories.

"I suggest you read the reliable sources which universally declare the claims to be baseless, scurrilous partisan personal attacks." NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Again, a misrepresentation. The National Review article, a reliable source cited in that same section, describes her mother (Saleha Abedin) as "closely tied to the Muslim Brotherhood" - the claim here is supported

Their last edit to this heading relented somewhat in titling it "Discredited partisan attacks", which I believe is still not sufficiently neutral or supported. The heading they reverted from was my (more neutral, I believe) attempt at a compromise: "Security clearance controversy"

I also believe the filer has violated rules against canvassing. He notified an editor who frequently agrees with his edits of this filing but failed to notify me despite my involvement just yesterday in a disagreement involving myself, the filter and Nocturnalnow where Nocturnalnow and I agreed. I only discovered this filing after seeing his latest revert and "stalking" his contribs.

I believe more editors on the article and talk page, and a focus on neutral language throughout would be beneficial. D.Creish (talk) 08:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: NorthBySouthBaranoff, I take issue with the claim that I've edited the article in a "negative manner." I've made 3 effective edits to the article:

One was to change the sentence: In June 2011, Abedin's husband became embroiled in the Twitter photo scandal, which was poorly written - "the" is confusing and ambiguous - to an earlier version: In June 2011, Abedin became the subject of widespread media attention amid her husband's Twitter photo scandal for which I provided additional sources to satisfy an earlier objection.

The second was the heading change, which I describe above.

The third was to correct a sub heading Reactions to the letter which made reference to a "letter" without context. In fact, the sub heading I replaced it with Backlash is arguably more favorable to the subject and less favorable to the group to whom you refer as "conspiracy theorists."

I believe my edits to the article speak for themselves. D.Creish (talk) 08:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Nocturnalnow

With regard to the a single-purpose account assertion, I tried to show the Filer yesterday that I have a long history of editing going back to 2007, albeit under 4 different User names as I have forgotten my password several times after a rest from editing. I have always had a notification and linkage of that fact on my talk and or User page. I always figured the edits are what's important, rather than the name of the Editor, but in respect of other opinions, I have now written down my password and put the piece of paper in a drawer.

With regard to the other complaints, I think that any objective and thorough analysis of my editing history of the article will show a reasonable person that my accepted edits have dramatically improved the BLP even as it currently stands, and at least some of the non-allowed edits would have improved it even more. Nocturnalnow (talk) 03:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I am absolutely willing to stop editing the Abedin BLP, however, when I announced such an intention awhile back, an Editor who in my view has been also trying to improve the content expressed his disappointment with my leaving the BLP. That, plus my own reluctance to abandon what I thought is a non-NPOV BLP, led me to conclude I should continue editing Huma Abedin.

However, I also am accepting the constructive comments here by Gamaliel and others about me needing to read more about and practice more of our editing process and policies re: BLPs; so, I will be doing that regardless of the outcome of this enforcement request. Nocturnalnow (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Muboshgu

I'll comment a bit later. For now, World Series! – Muboshgu (talk) 06:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Johnuniq

The Huma Abedin article needs some serious protection and topic bans. The subject is closely associated with Hillary Clinton's campaign and hence is receiving special attention, primarily focused on WP:UNDUE mention of Abedin's husband's sexting scandal, and claims that Abedin had "immediate family connections to foreign extremist organizations" (claims where one ref states "Sen. John McCain denounced the allegations").

As an example of the "NPOV" editing on this BLP, it appears this edit at 07:27, 13 October 2015 changed the accurate "Conspiracy theory allegations" heading to the smear "Allegations regarding family members". That edit was by 119.81.31.4 which is now blocked for three years!

D.Creish (talk · contribs) has a total of 24 edits, six to Huma Abedin: two highlight a scandal regarding the subject's husband (1 + 2); two repeat the removal of the "Conspiracy theories" heading (3 + 4); and two are minor adjustments. An article like this should not be getting attention from blocked-for-three-years IPs and perfectly formed new accounts and Nocturnalnow who has a total of 203 edits including 67 to Huma Abedin and 79 to its talk. Johnuniq (talk) 09:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Gamaliel

This editor should be encouraged to use some less contentious articles to learn about Misplaced Pages policies like BLP, PRIMARY. UNDUE, RS, etc. and return to this article after the election. I believe they want to improve the article but they appear to have a strong viewpoint and a less than ideal grasp of current BLP practice. Gamaliel (talk) 04:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I think that Rhoark's excellent review of the diffs illustrates the situation well. Nocturnalnow is not quite up to speed on how to properly handle BLP issues, and so a lot of time is wasted explaining basic policy and dealing with minor conflicts. Other editors are getting frustrated, as is Nocturnalnow because perhaps they feel that the resistance they are getting is obstructionist and not policy-based. Nocturnalnow should realize that the incident is already covered in the article - nobody is advocating shoving it down the memory hole - and so they should be satisfied even if it is not described in the exact language and manner they would prefer. Misplaced Pages is often about compromise.

I"m not sure how to handle this, but I think the best thing would be for Nocturnalnow to practice with these issues in a less contentious article that they do not have such strong opinions about. Gamaliel (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

@Callanecc: SInce many people (including myself) on one side of the argument are saying some of these edits violate BLP, a 0RR restriction would essentially only apply to one side of the dispute, or it would at least encourage the other side to invoke BLP as a justification for evading the 0RR. Gamaliel (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Rhoark

Nocturnalnow does not seem to have a firm grasp on evaluating the reliability of sources. He also needs to be reminded that the "discuss" part of BRD is a two-way street. The claimed history of accounts seems plausible, as they seem to have similar linguistic patterns and a recurrent interest in American political scandals. I would not call that interest so narrow as to be a SPA, though. I suggest Nocturnalnow be placed under 0RR for BLP articles / claims to avoid similar disruptions.

Although Nocturnalnow's behavior is not acceptable, the filer should be admonished that NPOV does not read "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views except conservative ones." While sources can be found who unleash all sorts of invective about the Muslim Brotherhood allegations, it is a claim that was supported by five congressional representatives, and many respectable news organizations chose to criticize Bachmann only by proxy of John McCain. That is the profile of a minority view, not a fringe one. There are some very good sources to draw on to criticize the allegations, but it is simply indefensible to do so through such prejudicial section titles. This is an encyclopedia. Rhoark (talk) 04:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

The wording of the NPOV banner is a persistent contributor to edit warring across the 'pedia. I've opened a discussion on that at Template_talk:POV#Please_do_not_remove_this_message_until_the_dispute_is_resolved. Rhoark (talk) 16:19, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Cla68

After looking at the diffs, it appears that both NorthbySouthBaranoff's and Nocturnalnow's edits are partisan. Both editors could be interpreted as engaging in BATTLEFIELD behavior. Cla68 (talk) 04:34, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

By the way, saying something like this could be interpreted as not being a very welcoming or congenial reception to a new editor. Cla68 (talk) 05:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Professor JR

I don't normally participate in Dispute Page or TalkPage discussions, but have decided to here, as I must agree with Cla68 -- User:NorthBySouthBaranof's edits certainly qualify as partisan, or in violation of POV, as well, if Nocturnalnow's can be adjudged to be so; and, upon my review, it appears to me that Nocturnalnow's have not been, and that this filing is unwarranted. Clearly there is also no basis for the assertion by the filer that Nocturnalnow is a single-purpose account(!), and the filer's neutrality is quite apparently and obviously in question (check NorthBySouthBaranof's contributions history) as pointed out by D.Creish. It might be advisable, and to the benefit of all Wiki users and readers, if NorthBySouthBaranof were to take a brief respite from editing the Abedin article, or any other article relating to Hillary Clinton; and this comment by another editor was also entirely out of line and uncalled for. --- Professor JR (talk) 13:31, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Ryk72

Regarding the 500/30 restriction, referred to by EdJohnston below, and also independently here and at ArbCom Palestine Israel 3 here; I again urge the community to formalise this measure by amendment of WP:Protection policy and through the use of a similar technical implementation to Semi-protection. - Ryk72 04:11, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Nocturnalnow

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• Noting that I've fully protected the article. Also Johnuniq if you wish to submit evidence regarding other (ie not Nocturnalnow) could you please submit a separate AE request, thanks. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:11, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

• The full protection seems like a good idea. What to do when protection expires is a harder question. Editors might be required to get approval from an RfC for any further negative material. But it's not easy to word such a restriction. *If* this article were under a 500/30 restriction like the Gamergate controversy article, neither Nocturnalnow (talk · contribs) nor D.Creish (talk · contribs) would be allowed to edit (neither user has reached 500 edits). For now, I'd suggest that User:Callanecc extend the full protection for another three weeks. If we see any useful discussion on the talk page during that time it may give some ideas for what to do in the future. When protection expires, if there is a steady stream of people wanting this article to be more negative (who aren't willing to negotiate patiently over the wording) then article bans or a 500/30 restriction might be considered. EdJohnston (talk) 02:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

• I'd actually be tempted to put them both (or at least Nocturnalnow) under 0RR on this article and see what happens then. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
• Alternatively 0RR on the article (with normal exceptions so vandalism and obvious BLP stuff can be removed). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:35, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Appeal of discretionary sanction topic ban violation block of HughD

Appealing user

HughD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Hugh (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed

Block imposed at User_talk:HughD#One week block for violation of topic ban; logged at WP:DSLOG#2015

Administrator imposing the sanction

Ricky81682 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

Notification here.

Statement by HughD

The block notice cited "deliberate violation" of the topic ban. No violation of the topic ban, intentional or otherwise, took place. The topic ban is an administrator action under discretionary sanctions under WP:ARBTPM. The scope of topic ban is "...any articles involving the Tea Party movement broadly, including but not limited to anything at all related to Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries, the Koch brothers..."

The block notice and discretionary sanctions log entry cited an edit to Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity. Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity is not within scope of the topic ban. The demonstrated consensus of our community is that no reliable sources support a relationship between the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity and the Tea Party movement or the Kochs. Evidence that Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity is not within scope of the topic ban includes, most significantly, an explicit ruling from the banning/blocking admin that Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity is not within scope of the topic ban User talk:Ricky81682#Question on scope of ban: "I don't see a connection at all, directly or from Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity...There should be leeway to edit there..." Additionally, Misplaced Pages article space, edit history 18:35 10 July 2013, 17:13 6 March 2015. and talk page discussion clearly demonstrates community consensus that the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity is not related to the Kochs.

The block notice stated reason is "...adding content related to Donors Trust which is directly related to Tea party politics and to the Kochs..." Article Donors Trust was not edited. Donors Trust is not directly related to the Tea Party movement. Koch family foundations have contributed to Donors Trust. Donors Trust is a donor advised fund, the whole point of which is that no relationship may be inferred between a specific grantor and a specific grantee. Donors Trust is a donor advised fund; contributors to Donors Trust describe/specify/recommend the ultimate grantee. Funds generally must disclose their transfers to Donors Trust, and Donors Trust must disclose their grantees, but only very, very occasionally can we reliably state that a given donor contributed to a given org via Donors Trust. A connection grantor -> Donors Trust -> grantee is extraordinary difficult to document. See Searle Freedom Trust for an exception that proves the rule: as required by law, Searle disclosed that they contributed to Donors Trust, but also chose to disclose that their contribution was earmarked to fund a court challenge to affirmative action; a noteworthy, reliable, secondary source wrote about it, and we included it in our project. The topic-banning admin extended the topic ban to all organizations funded by Donors Trust, without consensus and without notice and without logging, and then blocked retroactively for violation of the extended topic ban.

In discussion of some of these issues subsequent to the block notice, the banning/blocking admin advanced various alternative justifications for the block, including suspected use of a role account, socking, and ownership behavior, which charges can be addressed upon request if necessary.

Respectfully request community discussion by uninvolved administrators regarding several related issues raised by this block:

1. Is an explicit ruling from the topic-banning administrator a reasonable basis for a topic banned editor to consider in determining the scope of a topic ban?
2. Is the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity reasonably considered within the scope of a Tea Party movement or Koch brothers topic ban?
3. Is the Donors Trust reasonably considered within the scope of a Tea Party movement or Koch brothers topic ban?
4. Are all grantees of Donors Trust reasonably considered within scope of a Tea Party movement or Koch brothers topic ban?
5. Is added a source to an article that mentions a banned topic a violation of a topic ban, even if the article is not within scope of the topic ban, and even if the content added to the article text does not violate the topic ban, and even if the source is not primary about the banned topic?

Respectfully request repeal of block, strike-through of the block notice and strike-through of the block in the discretionary sanctions log. The block was not necessary to prevent disruption of our project. I am appealing this block in order to clear my name and clarify the scope of the topic ban. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 17:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I embrace my responsibility to recognize the boundaries of the topic ban. Without appealing the the previous AE report linked to by the banning/blocking administrator, WP:TBAN clearly authorizes conscientious editors to contribute to our project to articles which include content in scope of a topic ban, just not the parts of the articles related to the topic ban. Previously, I acknowledged possible mistakes in judgement with regard to the boundaries of the topic ban, but this is not one of them. My point here is that in my due diligence here, all evidence supported the position that the edited article Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity was not in scope, evidence including an explicit ruling from the banning/blocking administrator, Misplaced Pages article space, Misplaced Pages edit history, and Misplaced Pages talk page discussion. My objection to this block is not based on my intention, which is unverifiable, but on this evidence. The evidence is more than a reasonable person might find necessary for a good faith determination that the edited article Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity was not in scope. Respectfully request community discussion by uninvolved administrators of the banning/blocking administrator's role in this block, which the banning/blocking administrator admits below was a mistake; this mistake has the form if not the intent of entrapment. The banning/blocking administrator's novel extension of WP:TBAN to encompass so-called "second level links" is not included in the ban notice or in WP:TBAN. The banning/blocking administrator's claim that the edited article Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity is related to the Kochs via Donors Trust is counter-factual. Does the community endorse the ability of an topic banning administrator to explicitly rule an article out-of-scope, then reverse the ruling without notice, and then block? Hugh (talk) 16:13, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Topic bans work when editors and administrators understand policy and act reasonably. Policy is clear. Our articles Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity and Donors Trust very clearly "as a whole have little or nothing to do with" the Tea Party movement or the Kochs. Editing the parts of these articles unrelated to the Tea Party movement or the Kochs is specifically permitted by WP:TBAN, and articles which merely wikilink to these articles, so-called "second-level links," are certainly out of scope. The block was objectively unreasonable and deserves redress from the community. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 19:55, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Respectfully request uninvolved administrators participating in this discussion, if you believe that a topic ban violation occurred, kindly cite a specific edit of concern, kindly indicate whether you believe the violation was with respect to the Tea Party movement or the Kochs or both, and kindly cite a specific clause of WP:TBAN which you believe most closely describes the topic ban violation. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 11:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Our project's article Donors Trust is comprised of seven sections, 16 paragraphs, and some 23,000 bytes. One paragraph, in the "Donors" section, describes the well-documented financial support of the Kochs. As per WP:TBAN, this paragraph is in scope to a Koch topic ban, but the article as a whole is out of scope. Our project's article Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity describes the financial support of Donors Trust. This is not grounds for a reasonable person to consider Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, in whole or in part, to be in scope to a Koch topic ban. Hugh (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Guy Macon Thank you for attempting to bring new sources to our project's article Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity. Whenever we incorporate new reliable sources and new significant points of view into our project we improve our project. Your suggestions are appropriate at article talk. May I respectfully suggest you pursue your conviction that an obvious relationship exists between the Franklin Center and the Kochs in article space where it will benefit our readers WP:READERSFIRST. Let us know how that goes. Your 1st and 3rd refs, NBC is the publisher and CPI is the agency; this ref has been part of our article Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity since 3 October 2014 and serves as part of our sourcing for the Donors Trust funding; however, numerous attempts to draw further from this source and others to include an alleged Koch connection have been consistently reverted, for various reasons, see for example 10 July 2013 "WP:SYNTH" and 6 March 2015 "non-neutral reference to Koch bros, readers are free to click through, unsourced association between Franklin and Koch is WP:SYNTH and BLP violation." SourceWatch has never successfully been added to an article of our project on a conservative organization, as an editor experienced in this area I am not sure how you are not aware of this. Your last suggested source is a letter to the editor, as I know you to be an experienced editor I am not sure why you would bring this source forward at this time at AE. The consensus text of our project's article, its edit history, talk page discussion, and an explicit ruling from the topic banning administrator, all very clearly reflect our project's consensus that there is no noteworthy, reliably sourced relationship between the Franklin Center and the Kochs. Thank you again. Hugh (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2015 (UTC) In a recent essay cross-posted at ANI and article talk you argued that the funding of political causes by billionaires is not notable ("It simply isn't very notable that billionaires spend millions of dollars supporting political causes that they like..."), so while I am not surprised to see you pile on here, I am surprise to see you argue in favor of a significant Koch connection here. Hugh (talk) 21:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC) When an editor attempts a well-referenced, good faith addition of Koch-related content to an article in our project, it is undue, it is synth, it non-neutral, it is a BLP violation, but when it comes to topic ban enforcement, the Kochs are everywhere - even where they are not. Hugh (talk) 14:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Respectfully request strike-through of the block notice and in the DS log. Respectfully request uninvolved administrators declining this request, kindly cite a specific edit of concern, kindly indicate whether you believe the topic ban violation was with respect to the Tea Party movement or the Kochs or both, and kindly cite a specific clause of WP:TBAN which you believe most closely describes the topic ban violation. Respectfully request this appeal remain open for wider community discussion of the issues raised in good faith above WP:NODEADLINE. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 20:47, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Ricky81682

First, the topic ban is for any articles involving the Tea Party movement broadly, including but not limited to anything at all related to Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries, the Koch brothers, for one year. Second, this last AE argument already had repeated violations with the same argument of a lack of intent. I don't believe intent to violate the topic ban is required. It's a bizarre and impossible argument to prove. To summarize the extensive arguments I provided at User talk:HughD, I was asked at User_talk:Ricky81682#Question_on_scope_of_ban asked about Watchdog.org (related to another edit warring issue) which had no mention of the Koch brothers there and mentioned the Franklin as one of a number of in-linked articles (with a possible tenuous connection). Prior to HughD's involvement, this was what the Franklin Center looked like, which does include a reference to Donor's Trust which directly refers to the Koch family foundations and the like. I missed it and probably should have told HughD that the second level links are directly related but I did not inform him of that. However, whether or not that was an oversight on HughD's part is less likely to me when you examine this edit of HughD's which includes a citation to this article which clearly states that the Franklin center is tied to the Koch brothers. The point is, this shouldn't be a game where HughD asks me to examine article after article and I have to solve the tenuous connections that may or may not be there when HughD knows full well that they exist and even makes it my fault that I missed the connection so HughD should be allowed to edit freely on the topic. This is a complete waste of my time and energy to police someone else like this. I considered the ban description pretty obvious but seeing as how no one else has been banned under that sanction and HughD's insistence of playing this game, I suggest we provide HughD with a broader more definite topic ban so that it's clear. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

• @EdJohnston: No, I think I'm just annoyed with this. It's a fairly concrete topic ban and the punishment is the week-long bock, it shouldn't be a block and further expansion of the ban. If the ban is incomprehensible to HughD given the alleged size and scope of the Kochtopus or whatever, then HughD can suggest a different scope. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement (involved editor 1)

HughD is right. Guy Macon is a hypocrite here as is Ricky81682. The topic ban is completely i possible to follow given the millions of potential topics. Why should HughD have to make sure he doesn't violate a ban he didn't even come up with?

Statement by (involved editor 2)

This is classic entrapment. HughD was told this wasn't related to the topic and once he edited there, the trap was sprung and he was punished.

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by HughD

One detail of peripheral interest here. HughD mentions the administrator’s "novel concept of "second level links." This isn't, in fact, a particularly novel concept, at least not among hypertext researchers. Nodes reachable within N links of a starting point are clearly interesting and have been studied both in terms of technical and rhetorical strategies. I’ve used the term neighborhood for the concept; more mathematically-inclined researchers would simply say "the subgraph of diameter N from node V" or something like that. The Information Architecture people use "clicks" as a shorthand: "Koch Industries are just two clicks from the Franklin Center." So it’s not an outré invention. MarkBernstein (talk) 16:34, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Guy Macon

The following sources:

• http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/14/16939114-koch-funded-charity-passes-money-to-free-market-think-tanks-in-states
• http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Franklin_Center_for_Government_and_Public_Integrity
• http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/02/14/12181/donors-use-charity-push-free-market-policies-states
• http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/koch-backed-news-site-attacks-oaklands-minimum-wage-initiative/Content?oid=4037371
• http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jul/27/koch-brothers-newspaper-effect/

appear to refute the claim that "No evidence supports a relationship between the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity and the Tea Party movement or the Kochs". --Guy Macon (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

• I am concerned that HughD claimed that "No evidence supports a relationship between the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity and the Tea Party movement or the Kochs" when a simple Google search turned up lots of evidence for such a relationship (see my statement above). Are we going to have to repeat this exercise again and again as HughD seeks out new and innovative ways to write about the Koch brothers? --Guy Macon (talk) 14:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

HughD, there is a huge difference between your first claim ("no evidence supports a relationship between the Franklin Center for Government and ... the Kochs") and your second claim ("no noteworthy, reliably sourced relationship between the Franklin Center and the Kochs.") WP:RS does not apply when deciding whether a topic is within the scope of your topic ban. If a Google search turns up lots of unreliable sources say that the Koch brothers fund the Franklin Center for Government, you need to stay away, even if the sourcing isn't up to Misplaced Pages's standards for inclusion in an article.

HughD, Re: "you argued that the funding of political causes by billionaires is not notable, so while I am not surprised to see you pile on here, I am surprise to see you argue in favor of a significant Koch connection here." you have once again completely misunderstood my position. What I previously argued was that Misplaced Pages has dozens and dozens of articles on billionaires, and in the vast majority of those articles nobody has found relatively small (for a billionaire) political contributions by those billionaires to be notable unless they happened to be named Koch. This is easily verified. Again, I have zero interest in politics, political contributions, or billionaires, but I do care about Misplaced Pages being NPOV even when talking about people who have unpopular political views. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:28, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by HughD

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• It's HughD's responsibility to adhere to the topic ban, not Ricky81682's responsibility to research each topic on behalf of HughD to verify if it is or isn't in compliance. HughD can appeal the original ban or suggest a narrower restriction or exemption. Failing that, there are five million articles on Australian shrubs and the like to edit which are not related to the relatively narrow topic ban. Gamaliel (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
• Topic bans work for those who understand them and are willing to follow them. It appears that no amount of words will be enough to convince HughD where the exact, precise limits of his ban lie. Per the header of this report, HughD is appealing a one-week block which has already expired. I recommend this appeal be closed as moot. EdJohnston (talk) 17:22, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

• @Ricky81682: If you want to widen the ban to simplify enforcement, can you propose a new version? EdJohnston (talk) 02:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

• Just to clarify one thing, my warning rather than block which Ricky linked to wasn't directly related to intent but instead that Hugh seemed to recognise the problem and assured that it wouldn't happen again. That's a one chance thing so this block (on a topic which was covered by the TBAN is completely appropriate). Even if it wasn't the block has now expired so I also agree/recommend that this can be closed. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:28, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
• This strikes me as boundary-pushing behavior. Suggest a trouting now and an expansion to the American Politics 2 topic ban should this reoccur. Gamaliel (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

• Close? - Three admins have responded, besides the original banning admin User:Ricky81682. Among the three admin reviewers, nobody proposes to grant this appeal so I suggest it be closed. EdJohnston (talk) 17:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

Onefortyone

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Request concerning Onefortyone

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Excelse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Onefortyone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Onefortyone#Onefortyone_placed_on_Probation :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. Canvassing.
2. Use of false sources and misrepresentation of source. Already pointed on his talk page and here, he use this source on Graceland(edit) for claiming that Biltmore Estate is more visited than Graceland. However that source doesn't mention Graceland anywhere, neither they say that Biltmore is 2nd most visited. He made this new edit to the article, however this book is not comparing Biltmore with Graceland or calling it second most visited either. Thus violating WP:OR too.
3. Personal attacks: referring opposition as "Elvis fans", and considers fair edits to be "vandal" or "vandalism".
4. Edit warring. Already told by user:EdJohnston not to add any controversial material without gaining consensus first. There was discussion about his edits on three different venues. Yet he selected to re-insert non-consensus and incorrect edits again.
5. Stonewalling. After he saw that consensus is against him, he resorted to stonewalling by copy pasting cherry picked quotes and pasting same feud on at least three pages ("did user Excelse present irrefutable arguments..")

This all comes from last 9 days. If we were to talk about his decade of editing, there have been many complaints and they can be pointed too. Excelse (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 2006 Topic banned on few Elvis articles for 2 months.
2. 2006 Topic ban violation block.
3. 2006 Topic banned for two months from Elvis Presley article.

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Statement by Onefortyone

As many diffs show (see, for instance, ), Excelse and his sockpuppets (see ) are new users whose edits are nothing more than an attempt to remove well-sourced content from Elvis-related pages that is not in line with their personal opinion, but was part of these articles for many years. From time to time, some of these Elvis fans took me to arbitration, because I am not always singing the praise of the mega star, having a more balanced view of the singer. However, according to arbcom decision, my opponents in these cases were all banned from Elvis-related articles, as all of my contributions are well-sourced (see, for instance, this more recent list of sources here), and their massive removal of content was thought unjustified. Here is what the arbcom says: "Onefortyone's editing has substantially improved from that in the earlier arbitration cases. A sampling of edits shows reference to reliable sources without overstating of their content. To a greater extent he allows the reader to draw their own conclusions." Therefore, Lochdale, one of my former opponents, who had shown "evidence of misunderstanding of Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view" and "has removed large blocks of sourced material from Elvis Presley," was "banned indefinitely from editing articles which concern Elvis Presley." See . As Excelse says in one of his recent edit summaries, "Six years passed, only second self published forums cite these gossips other than this page" (see ), it could well be that he was deeply involved in the former edit wars and is one of these banned users. So some warnings may be necessary in his case, as most of the sources I have used are mainstream biographies of Elvis, studies published by university presses and books written by eyewitnesses. Onefortyone (talk) 21:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Result concerning Onefortyone

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• See:
  

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Wilkes, Wyss and Onefortyone (Nov 2005)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone (Nov. 2005)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Elvis (Nov. 2006)

• Probation from 2005: "He may be banned from any article or talk page relating to a celebrity which he disrupts by aggressively attempting to insert poorly sourced information or original research."

• A ban on Elvis-related editing should be considered. There has been a previous discussion at User talk:EdJohnston#Onefortyone. The question is whether Onefortyone's zealous efforts to add certain material to Elvis-related articles crosses the line into disruption. Since there are three relevant Arb cases, the committee has already judged some of his past edits to be disruptive and they did enact a probation which allows for bans. One of the options is to go ahead and enact a ban from Elvis-related material, but that would need some evidence of recent bad behavior. The above complaint is more complete and thorough than the one left on my talk page, so I think the option of a ban should now be considered. Would like to hear from others who can look at the diffs in the above complaint and give their opinion. I became aware of this editor through a post by User:Laser brain on my talk page. Without carefully judging all the material, and just observing the attitudes of the participants, Onefortyone does not seem to be eager for careful discussion of his proposals. He is quick to accuse the people who revert him of various misdeeds: "Don't you see that Excelse is one of those POV warriors who are here to remove well-sourced content from articles that is not in line with their fan view?" EdJohnston (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

• For a more recent discussion of User:Onefortyone's editing, see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive616#Onefortyone. Lots of TLDR there from the accused person, which makes it hard to understand exactly what's in dispute. The level of disruption from Onefortyone seen in 2010 would probably be enough to justify a topic ban under the standards that are currently applied to others at this noticeboard. If he gave any hint of being open to negotiation, or being willing to express himself briefly, it might be taken into account.

• I can't rule out that some of Onefortyone's opponents may be socks, but irrespective of who is on the other side, the long term issue of needing consensus for controversial material remains. I hope that Onefortyone knows there is a right way and a wrong way of bringing up sock charges. EdJohnston (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Lvivske

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Request concerning Lvivske

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Ymblanter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Lvivske (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBEE :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 4 November 2015 First removal of "Neo-Nazi" from the lede; the issue at the time was under discussion at the talk page. After this edit, I opened an RfC at the talk page.
2. 4 November 2015 Revert; after this revert, the page was protected
3. 10 November 2015 Next revert; the user insists that the lede is "incorrect POV". The RfC is ongoing, the only arguments of Lvivske are essentioally repetition that "this is wrong POV". They did not edit between 5 and 10 November; their first edit after this period of inactivity (which started when the article was protected) was the revert.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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• Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
• Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above (last time 18 June 2014 by Callanecc)
• Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 2 October 2011 by Cailil (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
• Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Obviously, this is not the first time Lvivske edit-wars in EE articles, without giving any satisfactory explanation to their reverts. Whereas many of the opponents of the "neo-nazi" definition constructively participate in the RfC, Lvivske decided to edit-war. When I alerted them that I am going to file an arbitration enforcement request, they have chosen to revert again.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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