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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by TruthIsDivine (talk | contribs) at 23:13, 6 December 2015 (Undid revision 694072766 by Meters (talk) fine, no attacks. But the point is true and you are allowing those two to vandalize Misplaced Pages with fake statistics. I would have thought Lies were worse Insult). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

The Gary Kleck article is governed in part by the policy at WP:BLP (Biographies of Living People). Potentially controversial information added to that page must be accompanied by a reliable source, which is why I've removed your latest addition. If you provide a source, the information can be returned to the article. Thanks. clpo13_(talk) 22:15, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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If you read Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control#October 2015 you can see that the ban was suspended as of October. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Note to any reviewing administrator: this user is likely violating other policies (and is editing contentiously in an ArbCom-related area) and I will not object to any firmer sanctions that another admin implements. --Rschen7754 22:39, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Rschen7754 In a case of exceptionally poor timing I just finished making this report Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#TruthIsDivine you may wish to drop in and shortcircuit the report since he's already blocked, but with the personal attacks and edit warring, I think WP:NOTHERE may be in play. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Gaijin42 inserted fake statistics into the Defensive Gun Use article which I tried to remove, since his references have no citation of the 33 million figure. It is wholly invented. He Removed the accurately cited statistics I added

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Template:Unblockreason=Your reason here22:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)}}. gaijin42's references do not say what he says they say. He is unable to produce a quoted citation showing the 33 million figure. He is making it up. If you want to have an encyclopedia with made up facts, where someone can add a figure of 33 million that they invented and which isn't in the article, please go ahead. But I don't think that's an encyclopedia anymore. As for me, I added a cited , with inline citations reference showing that there are only 1600 verified DGUs yearly. Not only that, Gaijins claim is not logically possible. Any elementary logic shows that what he is claiming is impossible. Think about what you are doing in allowing a vandal like Gaijin to insert fake statistics into articles to suit a political agenda when he has already been topic banned from this area and was just reinstated. He is indeed committing fraud by inserting statistics that aren't in the reference. Also, his reference is 20 years old and is intellectually discredited years ago. You might as well replace the Period Table page with Phlogiston theory. Also, he has been blocked from editing in that area previously likely because he inserts fake statistics into articles. 33 million, or even 1'million, are not logically possible figures. They removed the ACTUALLY VERIFIED FIGURE OF 1600 which I posted with refs and inline citation to suit their own misguided beliefs. You should not allow erroneous information to be posted in an encyclopedia. The reference nowhere says 33 million, and even the 1 million figure is ludicrous.

Regardless, personal attacks to other users is not acceptable. You can disagree and still be civil. --allthefoxes 22:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't you care that a user is getting away with making up statistics and adding them to articles? Isn't that vandalism? There is no citation that says 33 million and he has managed to get it back in there by blocking me. Do you care that your encyclopedia contains intentional falsehoods or not?

The source for the 33 million number has been pointed out to you multiple times. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Defensive_gun_use&diff=prev&oldid=694067709 Gaijin42 (talk) 23:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

How about the quotation of the sentence in the article that says 33 million. You send the reference but the reference doesn't say what you say it does. Thus, you are a liar (and a hillbilly.)

The actual, verified figure is 1584 in 2014. You are only off by, oh, say 2 million times, friend.

Sure, I do care, and I'll look into it. Regardless, you were still blocked for personal attacks and harassment. And that's still not okay, even against a vandal. --allthefoxes 23:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

By the way, this is what the reference that they claim actually supports their "33 million" figure says: "This paper used survey methods similar to those employed in a recent widely cited study by Kleck and Gertz (1995) and produced comparable results; yet our comparison of estimates based on NSPOF with other sources, together with puzzling inconsistencies in over a third of the defensive gun use (DGU) reports, lead us to conclude that the estimates are far too high. " it does not support 33 million, it actually says the 1 million figure is far ton high. Please think how illogical it is to think that there are 1 million defensive gun uses in the United States, and 1 million violent crimes. This is like claiming "in 200 percent of burglaries, a home alarm prevented the burglary." It DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

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