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Khanasser

There are unconfirmed reports IS cut the Khanasser Road again. I have not made any edits, as its just twitter rumors right now. But we need to keep an eye out here for more information as it comes in. Tgoll774 (talk) 19:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 It is a fals news. Crediable sources said that SAA counterattacked ratake several villages and push ISIS to east.here here Sûriyeya (talk) 07:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Al rai & Qabassin

How come al rai and qabassin have smaller dots than Tal rifat and mare? My hometown kibessine is almost as big as mare yet its showed as a little village. Also the kurdish name of it should be written under kabassin in kurdish we say başhkêy which is the old name. and how come afrin is shown as big as tal rifat? There are hundreds of thousands of kurds and some arabs from aleppo that live in afrin now. it should be as big as azaz.

Kafr Bassil

There is a small village named Kafr Bassil which is just west of Shaykh Miskin. Haven't heard if SAA have taken the village, but I think if we at some point have the sources to put this village as either rebel held or government held, we should do that. Given the current situation, i think every village is worth mapping, since the Daraa region is getting "hotter" atm.

The Syrian army have taken alle the strategic places around Shaykh Miskin, I find i hard to believe that the rebel still control the small village of Kafr Bassil just west of Shaykh Miskin. The village is also being shown as government controlled in maps (i know we can't make changes due to maps or twitter claims)

Should we cut the Aleppo map to half of what it is now?

We should make the Local Map only as it appears on on top of the main map. Anything east beyind the Airport (or east beyond the Industrial City) will no longer need any color changing on the Local Map, only on the Main map. Also, these areas are no longer contested and quite far from where the action is. They are not in the city anyway.

Thank you

Eastern Qalamoun

There is a significant amount of fighting going on in in this area and I am pretty sure some parts of the map are either incomplete or simply wrong. Batallion 559 and the junction chechepoint are already put as IS held. But, because of troop movement in the area I am sincerely doubting that Rebels are holding the following places: Khirbat Butaymat, Saba Bayer, Rujm Mamur, and possibly Sad Rishe. If anybody has sources that they're actually Rebel and not IS held I'll retract my statement.

Furthermore, Khan Abu al Shamat and possibly the Badia Cement plant should be put on the map, and should be monitored the next fews days because some minor social media stuff has shown IS attacks. I believe it is SAA held, but there are reports of IS capturing the area, but they're all based on preliminairy Twitter stuff. Location: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.704349&lon=37.009163&z=12&m=b Sources: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-emir-damascus-killed-failed-eastern-qalamoun-offensive/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-repels-isis-attack-qalamoun-kills-top-emir/,

ISIS retakes al-Rai

Pro opp twitter claims ISIS has unpicked the rebels' recent advances in N Aleppo.91.84.97.83 (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

SOHR also said that ISIS retake Al Rai here and villages of Tal Shair,Qanitrah,Qarah Kuz,Kasajik,Tathumus here and opposition sources said that ISIS retake town Al Rai and villages of Tathumus,Qanitrah,Qarah Kuz,Mazra'at Shahin,Kasajik,Tal Shair herehere also reliable source Al Masdar said that the ISIS reverses all rebel gains and more in northern Aleppo.here Sûriyeya (talk) 10:58, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

So I realy think that after rebels lose Al Rai and some other importent villages to west of this town they also lost a several small villages(Haddabat,Buzlijah, Molla Yakup) to east of Al Rai. And also for now unknow fate of three small villages (Al-Raghbiyah, Tal Ahmar, Shabaniyah) and village of Waqf which now located between ISIS-held a village Kiebe and a town Al Rai. What your think guys? Sûriyeya (talk) 10:00, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Pro-opp. activist from Twitter reported that ISIS retake all area between Al Rain and Tathumus where located a villages of (Al-Raghbiyah, Tal Ahmar, Shabaniyah) and also take village Tal Battal in addition to twelve villages which they seized earlier.herehere also source said that all rebel forces retreated on their positions from which thaey started ofensive to take Al Rai.here And these data confirm that rebels lose all villages east of Al Rai(Haddabat,Buzlijah, Molla Yakup) and all villages between ISIS-held Tal Battal and Al Rai including village of Waqf south of Al Rai. Sûriyeya (talk) 10:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Another opp. source Aleppo24 also said that ISIS captured Al Rai and the surrounding villages including Tal Battal herehere but also said that later local factions managed to regain control of the village of Tal Battal.here Sûriyeya (talk) 12:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Reliable source Al Masdar also said that the over the past 48 hours, ISIS has launched an astonishing counter-offensive in northern Aleppo and recapturing all villages(Tathumus, Qanitrah, Molla Yaqup, Hadabat, Wuquf, Mazra’at Shahin, Kasajik, Tall Shair, Tall al-Ahmar, Tall Sufayr, Kassajiq and the border-town of Al-Rai itself) lost to rebels in the past week. and that the latest skirmishes are reportedly taking place on the outskirts of Dudiyan and Mare’ as rebel troops are doing all they can to prevent further ISIS gains.here Sûriyeya (talk) 12:41, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Other opp. activist said ISIS also captured village Kadrish.here Sûriyeya (talk) 12:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Opposition source Step News said ISIS retake more than 10 villages north of Aleppo.here Sûriyeya (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Opp. source said that the rebels retake villages Kasajek,Mazrat Shahin,Tal Shair, Khamaliyah,Al Ahmadiyah, Khalfatli and Tal Battal. herehere and SOHR also rported that the rebels retake many villages from ISIS.here Sûriyeya (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Who made Hawer Killis IS held? FSA still holds it. The only one claiming IS holds it is Jack Shahine who is spreading nonsense about a massacre there, while castigating Lister on Twitter. Tgoll774 (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 Opp. source LCCSy said that ISIS take village Hawr Killis‬ in Azaz District.here and this also confirmed other source.here Sûriyeya (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf7_vE0WsAAIpxg.jpg Amaq, only claims a car bomb attack on Hawar Killis. If they held it, Amaq would be trumpeting it. And FSA tweets would be mentioning it. Tgoll774 (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 Opp. activist in Twitter said that after regaining control over the village of Hawr Killis near Azaz ISIS executed seven captured Opposition fighters.here But I edit this village as ISIS-held on based data from opposition source and other source which is said that ISIS captured this village. If this not true and we have confirmations from crediable source I do self revert and again put this village to under control of rebels. You can give me link on ISIS source which said abiut bomb attack in vilage Hawar Killis. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

https://twitter.com/sam_samson24/status/720325970125688832 Okay here is the Wiyalet Halab announcement of 7 FSA fighters captured, but not from Hawar Killis, video has been deleted by the servers. https://twitter.com/elaaide2/status/720296491978461184 A translated Amaq release from today again mentions just a SVBIED attack. These are all from Amaq which disseminates its message through social media. All FSA sources deny Hawar Killis fell and there is no IS source saying it fell. So far it looks like Jack Shahine created the rumor and others picked it up. But Amaq and IS are not claiming to hold it nor are their usual twitter bugs. SOHR has not mentioned it, nor did its director on his personal Twitter account. Tgoll774 (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 Also here original report about Martyrdom operation in the village of Hawar Kilis from Amaq.here And yes this a very strange that a pro-ISIS sources not claime that ISIS take this village. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 And I looked on a page of Jack Shahine here and he is not a primary source of these data. He take these data from this source Fraternity Foundation here This a source which I used together with the opposition source for edit Hawar Killis. Sûriyeya (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Yet all other sources including IS deny. If IS is denying the claim, I think we should revert, especially as Wiyalet Halab isn't claiming it. Tgoll774 (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 Opposition source Qasioun News said that the ISIS captured villages of Hawar Killis and Baraghidah and Kafr Ghan.here Sûriyeya (talk) 07:07, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

SOHR also said that ISIS captured villages Baraghidah, Kafr Ghan and Jarez.here Sûriyeya (talk) 07:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

According to opp. source and other source Ikidah(Zayzafun) and Kafr Shush taken ISIS.here here But unclear situation with Hawr Killis.here Opp. sources and ISIS sources yesterday and today said that ISIS take this villagehereherehereherehere but later opp. source said thay they retake Hawar Killis.here Maybe in someone have a more data? Sûriyeya (talk) 09:08, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

SOHR said that rebels retake 3 villages (Hawar Killis, Jarez and Yahmul) but 3 villages still ISIS-held.here Sûriyeya (talk) 09:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Brig. 550, north of Palmyra

It seems that north of Palmyra there must be some changes. Either to black or to contested: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-threatens-liberated-palmyra/ Mughira1395 (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Mughira1395 Source not said that Brigade 550 under control of ISIS or contested. Source just said that ISIS presence in area of this base. We can edit military base only if a source clear indicate which side is controll army base or that this base contested. But source ealy said that the SAA retake a base of Brigade 550 from ISIS.here Source not said that SAA lose Brigade 550 so we can't edit this point on based just assumptions or based own interpretation of the data. Sûriyeya (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya I see what you mean. There is no direct mention, that the base fall to ISIS. But, what means exactly when they say: "ISIS is pushing south of the Brigade 550 Base"? For me that means, if we suppose, that ISIS did not take the base (I agree with you), that they are in fact south of the base and pushing further south, not necessarily through the base, but by bypassing it either from west or east. Do you agree with me at least on that understanding of the sentence? Mughira1395 (talk) 20:07, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Mughira1395 It's just a suggestion and their can be very much. The source could simply make a mistake in the report, and in fact ISIS push south to Brigade 550 or near this base. Also source said that Brigade 550 it is the last military installation before the Al-‘Amariyah District in northern Palmyra. So if we make the assumption then in this case the most probable thing is that source just wanted said that ISIS pushes of south toward this base. However, so for now we only have clear data which confirm that SAA retake Brigade 550 from ISIS and nothing more specific. So accoeding to rules we can do edit only if we have data from crediable source which can provide this edit. Source only said about ISIS presence somewhere in area this base and nothing more but this not enoth for edit status of this military base. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I did not mention anything about changing colours. I even agreed with you. I was only thinking about the meaning of the sentence. ;-) Mughira1395 (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

We can now confirm that IS either retook it or that reports of it losing it are incorrect. This is the second article implying (this time actually stating) that it is under IS control. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-air-force-launches-large-scale-campaign-strike/ Also, it is the second to mention Al Bardeh, a significant village that I cannot find on wikimapia or our own map. Could it be an alternative translation of Al-Baydhah, or some other village? In which case, we need to change the mark of that village to black. PutItOnAMap (talk) 09:15, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

PutItOnAMap Source just said that Syrian Air Force targeted ISIS positions at(near) Brigade 550 near the Al-‘Amariyah District.here When source said "at" this means near or in vicinity. Sûriyeya (talk) 09:32, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

When they were referring to Arak and Suknah, they wrote "at" and IS is "in" them; I thought it would be safe to say that therefore, when they say IS is "entrenched at" Brigade 550, they control it. PutItOnAMap (talk) 09:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

No! SAF strike ISIS position inside Arak and Sukhah and all area along road from Palmyra to Sukhah and about this also reported SOHR and many oher sources. But source earlier clear without any questions said that SAA retake Brigade 550 from ISIS and we only can change status of this strategic base if source clear said that ISIS retake or SAA retreated from this base. I realy think that we can't edit status of strategic towns, military bases or facilities on based not clear data. Sûriyeya (talk) 10:12, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hawar Kilis?

Why is Hawar Kilis black? Mughira1395 (talk) 20:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Mughira1395 Read this discussion.here All it indicated at the bottom of the discussion. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me, this was my mistake. I read only the news about the car bomb today, to find, that the town on the map was already with ISIS, what seemed to be strange... Mughira1395 (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

No matter what were the disagreements about Hawar Kilis. Now it seems that ISIS not only took this town, but also Baraghidah, Kafr Ghan, Kafr Shush and Ikidah. According to social medias (relaying on Amaq). Al-Jazeera and opposition are confirming that ISIS took control of towns on the turkish border. SOHR spokes about ISIS taking control of the "area" of Baraghidah, Kafr Ghan and Jarez (to the west), without naming specific towns taken by ISIS Mughira1395 (talk) 06:43, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

SOHR said that rebels retake 3 villages (Hawar Killis, Jarez and Yahmul) but 3 villages still ISIS-held.here Sûriyeya (talk) 09:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Now, Al Masdar says Hawar Killis is under IS control, but I wonder whether they are using old information and today's SOHR article is more up to date. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebels-flee-across-turkish-border-isis-snatches-villages-map-update/ What do you guys think of this? Is it more likely to be IS controlled or opposition controlled, based on the evidence? PutItOnAMap (talk) 17:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Right now IS is not claiming to hold it, so keep it FSA till they say yeah they lost it. But it is a fluid situation at the moment so lets hold off changes for today till we get more concrete information and the offensives peter out. Tgoll774 (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Tgoll774 Today morning opp. sources said ISIS take Hawar Killis and ISIS source Amaq claimed that they captured Hawar Killis here but later SOHR said that rebels retake Hawar Killis, Jarez and Yahmul.here Sûriyeya (talk) 18:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Even Amaq just confirmed that Hawar Kilis and Ikadah were abandoned by ISIS after they have tooked both towns before. It confirms on the other hand that the towns of Kafr Ghan, Baraghidah, Kafr Shush and - that it new for us - Yeni Yaban (southwest of Dudiyan) were taken and still with ISIS. Mughira1395 (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Mughira1395 You can give link on ISIS source which said that ISIS abandoned of the town Ikadah. And SOHR also earlier today said that rebels retakethe three villages but ISIS still hold three villages.here plus opp. activist said that rebels retake Dalhah, Yahmul and Tall Hussayn, Ikdah, Hawar Killis, Harjalah and Jarez but the villages of Kafr Ghan, Baraghidah, Yan Yaban still ISSI-held.hereherehere Sûriyeya (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Of course: https://a3maqagency.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/تقدم-جديد-لمقاتلي-الدولة-الإسلامية-قر Mughira1395 (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Mughira1395PutItOnAMap In the beginning of April (2 April) opp. source Qasioun News said that the village Murayghil is ISIS-held.here But later someone put this village to rebels-held without source so that probably we need again marked this village as ISIS-held also village Yani Yaban north of Murayghil still ISIS-held. Also here source said that yesterday ISIS advanced North from village Al Tughali and captured Baraghidah,Kafr Ghan,Hawar Killis,Aykadah, Harjalah,Jariz and Yahmul. But rebels regained control of Aykadah, Hawar Killis, Yahmul and Jariz and Tall Ahmar, a few kilometers from Al Ra’i.here Sûriyeya (talk) 07:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

PutItOnAMap Reliable source said that villages Aykadah, Hawar Killis, Harjalah, Mazra Shahin and Tall al-Ahmar is rebels-held.here Sûriyeya (talk) 10:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

user: LightandDark2000, Qaryatan, Syria tell and al-Mihassah

Please, please, admins, will You finally block user: LightandDark2000. He just keeps doing crazy edits. Take this edit. He used news about SAA taking a hill 20 km E of Qaryatan in order to prove that al-Mihassah, which is 17 km east(!!!) od Qaryatan must have been takne by SAA. To visual how crazy this edit was, please check this wikimapia map. I don't think it makes any sense to try to talk to this guy, so I will go talk to admins. --Hogg 22 (talk) 09:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 Small clarification al-Mihassah located 17km south of city Qaryatayn. But my clarification does not dispute your claim about status of al-Mihassah. Sûriyeya (talk) 09:32, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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