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Dive tables

May I request that you undo your move from Dive tables to Dive table, please? WP:SINGULAR is clear that articles about classes of objects are a specific exception to the general policy. The class consists of many different dive tables and the singular is rarely used, particularly as even a named set will almost always be made up of multiple tables: US Navy tables, Bühlmann tables, etc. The singular would be even rarer than the analogous use of "Hebrew numeral aleph" – the article is still called Hebrew numerals. --RexxS (talk) 05:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for carrying out the request. I started a move discussion at Talk:Dive tables to see if my reasoning was correct, but could I ask for your advice on closing that discussion, please? I have no idea how long it should remain open, nor on the etiquette of who is expected to close it. I'm guessing that if no further comments are posted, then closure after a few more days would make sense. Should I be looking for an uninvolved editor to close it at that point? Thanks in advance for any suggestions you are able to make. --RexxS (talk) 02:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Countenance divine

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Swahili language

Hi Kjkolb, regarding "Some of the dictionary sites may be questionable, but I kept those that appeared to provide good content and were not overly commercial" on the Swahili Language page, I re-added africanlanguages.com/swahili because (a) it's the 2nd-largest online Swahili Dictionary with over 16000 entries (b) it's COMPLETELY free to use online (c) the quality is excellent, it is by FAR the best-quality online Swahili dictionary ... the only thing being sold from the site is a 'downloadable' version of the dictionary, and that is completely optional, you can use the whole dictionary for free online. It would not make any sense if this huge and most useful Swahili dictionary was not linked ... if it should not be, then neither should kamusiproject.org, which also sells a lot of stuff from their website. Unfortunately some other user is now deleting the link again, mistakenly thinking it's commercial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.7.4.240 (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I have responded on the talk page for your IP address, User talk:41.7.4.240. -- Kjkolb (talk) 03:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the response! I appreciate your reasonable-ness. It is indeed under discussion now with the other user. 41.3.48.156 (talk) 14:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Oak (wine) and Oak barrel movement

I fully agree that there are important other uses for oak barrels besides wine (such as whisky and brandy). But I think that repurposing the Oak (wine) article may not be the right way to deal with that. The barrel article already contains a decent section on beverages, and perhaps that is enough. I think perhaps Oak barrel should be a redirect to barrel rather than a redirect to Oak (wine). —BarrelProof (talk) 11:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment. For some reason, I failed to check out the "barrel" article before the move, definitely a bad idea. I had just seen that a few potentially inappropriate redirects were being used and took action before proper consideration. I should have waited until I was less tired to move the article - I did not have much else to do at the time, as my cable television service was out. I moved the article back as soon as I realized my error, but my usually reliable Internet connection was also having some trouble, and I am not sure if all the redirects were fixed at that time. I am sorry for any inconvenience that my ill-considered move caused.
Perhaps a new article should be created, such as "aging barrel" (currently a redirect to "barrel") or something similar. I would not use "wine barrel" as the title because some liquors are also aged in barrels, but "wine barrel" could be a redirect. The "oak (wine)" article could either be incorporated into the "aging barrel" article when the new article has sufficient content, or it could be an expansion of part of the article, with a summary given in the article and a link to the "oak (wine)" article given at the top of the section.
Also, maybe the name of the "oak (wine)" article should be changed to "oak wine barrel" if the content remains the same, or perhaps "oak aging barrel", if it is expanded to include other uses. I know that the article talks about oak chips sometimes being used instead of barrels, which might be why it has its awkward name, but the main focus of the article is on oak barrels, and "oak chip" already redirects to the article. However, I will leave these decisions to others, as I cannot give the articles enough attention at the moment.
I apologize for the delay in my response. I had an Internet failure, followed by a power outage, which then caused browser issues. I just got around to this tab today. -- Kjkolb (talk) 23:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:United States Navy submarine chasers

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San Francisco meetup at WMF headquarters

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I just wanted to give you a heads-up about the next wiki-meetup happening in SF. It'll be located at our very own Wikimedia Foundation offices, and we'd love it if some local editors who are new to the meetup scene came and got some free lunch with us :) Please sign up on the meetup page if you're interested in attending, and I hope to see you soon! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work on Electrical junction

Appreciate your edits to Electrical junction—yes, I agree, it's much better now. Thank you Wbm1058 (talk) 12:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. :-) --Kjkolb (talk) 00:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Business entity

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I have reverted your undiscussed move of kingdom to kingdom (disambiguation), which included deletion of stubby disambiguation-like pseudo-article you had created (the entire text of which is below. I have two suggestions: first, if you think a serious article is possible on the subject that does not duplicate content covered by an already existing article, please create a draft at an alternate or temporary title before moving; 2) request a discussion of the merits of replacing the disambiguation page with the new article. Cheers, olderwiser 11:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


This article is about a kingdom ruled by a king or queen. For other uses, please see kingdom (disambiguation)

A kingdom is a state that is ruled by a king or queen.

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  • Dictatorship, Emperor, Empire, Hereditary monarchy, Monarch, Monarchy, Sovereignty

I have no problem with your reversion, and I feel that your arguments make a good case for your action. I encourage others to revert or modify my edits whenever they disagree. I apologize for not discussing the move. It would have been better if I had at least tried to get a discussion going with a topic as high-profile and probably contentious as this one. I mostly deal with articles and moves that are never discussed because you cannot find anybody around that cares. In the rare case that someone does care, there is usually just a short discussion about whether this is the right way to go or not, and the action stays, gets modified or gets reverted. Warmest regards, Kjkolb (talk) 21:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Semper Libera

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Redirect of protein residue?

I don't object to its redirecting to protein structure, but I am disappointed that the thing I was trying to learn (what brought me to the article)—namely, "What's an explicit, unambiguous definition of the term "protein residue?"—is absent from that latter article.

My own view about (and expectation of) redirects is that a necessary part of their successful use is that the target article both (1) provide information adequate to make clear why the redirect happened and (2) contain—or at least clearly link to—whatever information a reader who navigated to the first article would likely have been looking for. This is to avoid providing readers a mental experience like this (I'm going to exaggerate here):

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What? How come when I ask for the article on cat food, I find myself arrived at the article on hot-air balloons? And how can I get information from the latter to address my needs with regard to the former?

Could you help out by mending this? Thanks—PaulTanenbaum (talk) 12:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

A bit of research confirms my hunch that "my own view" conforms with WP:R#PLA. Sorry, should have dug that out for insertion in my original request.—PaulTanenbaum (talk) 12:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Reply from Kjkolb starts here

Here is part of a lesson on protein from Langara, with some minor changes by me. "Amino acids are linked in a chain by condensation reactions of the a-carboxyl group of one amino acid with the a-amino group of another. The linkage formed is called a peptide bond. One water (H2O) molecule is released for every peptide bond formed."

While the article "protein structure" does not give the definition of a protein residue until further down in the article, as I should have corrected per the policy that you referred to, it is mentioned in the section "Amino acid residues". It states that "...a residue refers to a specific monomer within the polymeric chain." The amino acids, the monomers that make up the protein polymer, are called residues when they are part of the protein. I think that they are not called amino acids when part of the protein because they are no longer the same molecules as the original amino acids. To be part of a protein, they have to lose some atoms. As the "residue (chemistry)" article says, "In chemistry residue is whatever remains or acts as a contaminant after a given class of events." In this case, the protein and the amino acid residues (see next paragraph) are what remains after the reaction, not contaminants.

"Amino acid residue" (AAR) is another term for "protein residue", and it makes more sense to me than the term "protein residue", but if there is a consensus in chemistry to use "protein residue", then it should be used, in case there is ever a separate article, as well as using protein residue in any definition and explanations. I know that it is not a very reliable test, but AAR gets nearly ten times the Google results than "protein residue". The term AAR currently redirects to the "amino acid" article. That article has the definition, "...a residue refers to a specific monomer within the polymeric chain of a polysaccharide, protein or nucleic acid."

I just went back to check what the article looked like when I made the redirect. You can see it here.

The following is what the article looked like before I changed it:

  • "Each protein is a polymer – specifically a polypeptide – that is a sequence formed from various L-α-amino acids (also referred to as residues)"

The following is what the article looked like after I changed it:

  • "Proteins are polymers – specifically polypeptides -sequences formed from various L-α-amino acids. Each unit of a protein is called an amino acid residue because it is the residue of every amino acid that forms the protein by losing a water molecule." (I should have put "...an amino acid residue, also called a protein residue," in the sentence)

The following is what the article looks like now:

  • "Proteins are polymers — specifically polypeptides — formed from sequences of monomeric amino acids."

The sentence that I added was deleted, rendering the redirect confusing and disappointing (more on this at the end of this post, look for !).

Update: I already changed the article, as I discussed below. Feel free to modify the article yourself.

I think that something should be done about the protein structure article, such as adding the revised sentences, "Each monomer of a protein is called an amino acid residue, also called a protein residue, because they are the residues of every amino acid that makes up the protein. Proteins form by amino acids undergoing condensation reactions, in which the amino acids lose one water molecule per reaction. Each reaction forms a peptide bond, also called an amide bond, between each amino acid residue."

However, I think that the terms "protein residue" and "amino acid residue" should probably redirect to the "residue (chemistry)" article, which should be modified to give a better explanation of residues involving proteins, polysaccharides, nucleic acids and anything else that is composed of residues. What do you think?

!The following is a continuation of a thought that I had when I found that the problem was that the current article did not have the information necessary for the redirect to make sense.

This is just one example of the pitfalls of having a group of people, who have little or no communication with each other (and often cannot communicate in a conventional manner because they can be separated by months or even years of time), write an encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages has attempted to prevent as many pitfalls as possible, but I think that we may have come to a plateau of quality (in some well-developed articles) that cannot be overcome with our current policies and writing methods.

If I have failed to address something, please let me know. I will probably be offline soon. I may be back later today, or I may not be back for several days. I never know what my schedule will be. I just do not want you to be checking for an answer every couple of hours, as I simply cannot meet the expectations that come along with that. ;-) -- Kjkolb (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Your fix scratches my itch! And thanks for going to the trouble of providing such an extensive explanation. More than I could have asked for :-)—PaulTanenbaum (talk) 11:57, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation changes

Thanks for making improvements to some of the disambiguation pages. Many of them are in need of some cleaning up. However, I would strongly recommend against expanding the descriptions of many entries. The descriptions are really meant to be only as long as they need to be in order to distinguish one topic from the next. And there are a number of other changes you've made that also seem to go against the guidelines at MOS:DAB (how we handle redirects and primary topics, to name a couple). Also, I'm not sure that it's actually stated as a guideline but it's definitely the ongoing practice of the DAB project to have "X may also refer to:" on a line of its own. Those were not accidental and it's not really constructive to change that style whenever you're editing a DAB page. Again, your edits in general are sincerely appreciated and I haven't reverted any of your edits (though I did restore one piece of primary topic styling). I just wanted to mention these things so that we can work even better together in the future. -- Fyrael (talk) 07:52, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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