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Official BK Discussion Forum Link

Riveros11 aka Avyakt7,

I have found an official BK Discussion Forum for you and others. I have placed it on the BK

Official links. It looks as if Discussions have just started up again on the 19th of August. I hope this helps. PEACE 18:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

All right Riveros11 bud? Looks like you took some stick on the brahmakumaris.info page. Not so sure why you were banned though. 192.82.106.244 on the bkwsu wiki page reckoned it was because you were getting personal, can’t really see it myself though. From what I can see, if anyone was getting personal it was the Ex-l character. So what’s your opinion? How come you got banned and what makes you reckon that it was Ex-l that did the dirty? Also how come you reckon that Ex-l is .244? --searchin man 15:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. how come bud. I'd like to know too. 195.82.106.244 02:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

ad hominem attacks

Riveros11, if you are going to continue to make ad hominem attacks, and you feel they have any relevance to this BKWSU topic, substantiate your allegations. I keep asking.

Personally, I'd rather focus on the facts related to this topic starting with the financial structure and status of the BKWSU.

If you are a trusted recruiter, and have some inside access to the management of the cult, are you willing to co-operate in this matter or do you think the cult's interest are best served by trying to attack and discredit me and the brahmakumaris.info website?

We have a good opportunity here to completely and accurately document the cult in a manner that has never been done before. I think you have to agree that the bulk of the topic is according to Shrimat and clearly referenced from the Murlis.

So what are your specific corrections and what are your easily referenceable sources or alternative citations?

195.82.106.244 14:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

TalkAbout 03:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

International Academy of Design & Technology

"She's attacking me ... she attacking me ... ". No one is interested. Actually, it was 216.49.220.27 which is the International Academy of Design & Technology - Tampa . Do you teach there too? I suppose I could write to them with dates and have them confirm BUT the article is about the BKWSU not you, so let's focus. Luis, it is not Brahmin behavior to behave in such a manner and this is becoming silly. When are you BKs going to tire of trying to trying to attack my integrity and just deliver some hard documentation?

BTW, someone else was using the same IP address around the same time to post REALLY CRAZY stuff on the Adolf Hitler page, see . So I hope that was not you. And if it was not, I would have a word with someone at the faculty there to put an end to it.

Thanks. 195.82.106.244 01:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"I have substantial evidence for this. Do you want me to disclose it?" Avyak7

Please stop the sussing and personal attacks

Also, it is hard to know if you are Avyak7, Riveros11 or various IPs? I don't want to know how you gained access to someone elses site and I no longer wish/nor want to try to mediate. When someone doesn't agree with you, you quickly turn it personal. I have worked here Peacefully without this sort of Drama and constant complaints.

If you review All the entries you can see that you started the exposing without fully stating that you are part of a big organisation as proven by your very site where you posted anothers private files.

Best Wishes. TalkAbout 03:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear 244,

Here is my second warning to you and thus , I will add the required tag "np3" Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /WP:NPA#Consequences “Posting a link to an external source that fits the commonly-accepted threshold for a personal attack, in a manner that incorporates the substance of that attack into Misplaced Pages discussion.” I do not appreciate either that you suggest that I could have written an article about Hitler. I will follow the steps that are stipulated in Misplaced Pages about this matter.

You have also changed the original title posted by TalkAbout. It was

“UN intervention for Avyakt7 and 244.”

Dear TalkAbout,

Please see my name above in .244 response to “searchin man.” Please see “searchin man” talk page as well. I know you can edit things out whenever you wish.. Do I need to ask you for permission to do the same?

.244 expressed that he didn’t have no affiliation with BKinfo. I am certain that that is not true. I have substantial evidence for this. Do you want me to disclose it? This information is relevant to this wikipedia article, since it demonstrates that .244 is not a “non-biased” editor and thus, 244 is not qualified to write about Brahma Kumaris in an impartial manner. I needed to disclose that information here because is relevant to this article.

On the other hand, .244 discloses my real full name here and in another user talk page, threatens to contact the faculty at USF (my previous employer), searches and publishes about my personal information which is non relevant to this article. See the difference, TalkAbout? Finally.. I am not upset at all. All I want is for this article to be an accurate reflection of Brahma Kumaris, would you let BKs have an input on this article? avyakt7

avyakt7,

Look if you want to continue this, I imagine I can not stop you. As far as to any membership in a forum being a reason for disqualifying him/her from participating in activities on wikipedia I would like to point out the following. No individual is to be singled out...sussed out as a means to discredit his/her participation on a wiki. They could very well be members of the Gay BK forum and it wouldn’t make a grand difference here. Discuss the points here, point by point. Forum issues take to the forum, go to the OZ forum, go to the infogami blog.

From my point, I see there is no real open space for discussion in the OZ forum run by the BKs which you are a member of.
I don't see your theory up there (OZ forum), nor it being discussed by other members.
It appears to me that other active BKs are doing well and good in the BKinfo forum. It serves not only XBKs, but PBKs, active BKs , folks seeking spiritual discussions and NBKs (folks just wanting information, including journalists).
So, if they have a wide array of folks, why the problems? I did put in a second request to have you approved, but I will send in another asking it to be withdrawn given your goal, which would be to have individuals banned from wikipedia.
I see that the problems on the forum and Here started when you began to pick/squabble with other members on both venues.
I see that despite the fact that you bit off more than you can chew, you are still dead set on this (personalising things).

Do you think it would be fair to remove yours but leave his/hers up? Will you refrain from further activities to EXPOSE others. This is going the way of scientology in my view. I don't think threatening exposure, attacking the person rather than the substance/points merits well from a scholarly point of view and it is destructive to the process of communication/participation and good will.

I have the highest respect for people following their spiritual beliefs, having gone down that road myself and this process is to place the facts out there and let the individual decide on the path they are taking or if they want to continue on such path. Is also an information source for people on a global level that seek information on said organization. You shouldn't fear information, you shouldn't be fearful of the tenets being in the open, nor the practices. The higher road would be for example: Yes, we do belief we will be deities and yes we believe X and Y. Rather than trying to hide the sun with your thumb. Suppression of information is not wise nor a scholarly path.

I will ask you these three questions directly:

Do you believe you will be a deity?
Do you believe you are superior to others here on this planet because you are a Brahmin Soul?
Do you believe God speaks/is channeled via Dadi Gulzar in Mt. Abu?

Your reply to these three questions above will be the test of your stated will and intentions towards the others you have issues with here for me. PEACE TalkAbout 15:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

that was a mistake sorry. Betacommand 22:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)